What a coincidence after they revealed he has agreed to join Bayern next season.
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What a coincidence after they revealed he has agreed to join Bayern next season.
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Pathetic...
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I can't understand why players made in BVB are fleeing like something better is going to happen to them abroad. No attachment whatsoever. That's pathetic and scary.Comment -
I agree with you completely, i mean they play for such a powerful club as it is, they play amazing football, and their wages are not bad either, but they just have to fall victim to the business model. it is scary as a matter of fact and it is disgusting, for example someone like Lewandowski he's so great in Dortmund gets paid shit loads of money too, but wait he has to leave obviously why????? FOOTBALL= BUSINESS MODEL sighComment -
Their wages are way too low. Götze is their top earner and get's around 5 mio € per season, Lewandowski 1,5 mio €. Dortmund offered Lewandowki 4 mio € per season but he declined their offer and wants to leave.
Bayern will pay Götze 10-12 mio € and Lewandowski if they get him 8-10 mio €.
At Bayern even the scrubs(players 20-25) earn over 2 mio € per season.
Also Götze is from Bavaria so he's coming home.
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He's spent more than half of his life in BVB so it is still quite shitty move no matter where he was born. Give me a loophole in a contract, show some more money and i'm gone.
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Götze goes from being a star on Dortmund to probably sitting on the bench and playing final 10 minutes of matches for Bayern.. just watch and see. Look at what happened to Shinji Kagawa...Was a massive star at Dortmund, now lucky to get in during garbage time for Man United. It is sad when players leave for money to pick splinters out of their asses.Their wages are way too low. Götze is their top earner and get's around 5 mio € per season, Lewandowski 1,5 mio €. Dortmund offered Lewandowki 4 mio € per season but he declined their offer and wants to leave.
Bayern will pay Götze 10-12 mio € and Lewandowski if they get him 8-10 mio €.
At Bayern even the scrubs(players 20-25) earn over 2 mio € per season.
Also Götze is from Bavaria so he's coming home.
If these players committed to DOrtmund, they could create a powerhouse for years to come... instead the rich will get richer and super clubs like Man United will spend tons of money only to get bounced from the Champion's League anyway.Comment -
Kagawa was good but not great. If he can't beat out Nani,Valencia or the other scrubs in ManU midfield, he'll never become something special.
Götze will sit on the bench but so will be Ribery,Robben,Müller,Kroos and Shaqiri. 6 great/good players for the 3 starting positions means rotation. They will all play enough but may sit out every third or fourth game.Comment -
Klopp has previously compared Bayern to a remorseless superpower like China but he waves away that reminder. "I was tired," he smiles. "Bayern want a decade of success like Barça. That's OK if you have the money because it increases the possibility of success. But it's not guaranteed. We are not a supermarket but they want our players because they know we cannot pay them the same money. It could not be our way to do things like Real and Bayern and not think about taxes – and let the next generation pick up our problems. We need to work seriously and sensibly. We have this amount of money so we can pay that amount. But we lose players. Last year it was Shinji Kagawa."
He hits his head with his palm. "Shinji Kagawa is one of the best players in the world and he now plays 20 minutes at Manchester United – on the left wing! My heart breaks. Really, I have tears in my eyes. Central midfield is Shinji's best role. He's an offensive midfielder with one of the best noses for goal I ever saw. But for most Japanese people it means more to play for Man United than Dortmund. We cried for 20 minutes, in each others' arms, when he left. One year before that Nuri Sahin went because Real Madrid is the biggest club in the world. [Sahin is back at Dortmund after just four appearances for Madrid and an unhappy loan spell at Liverpool]. If players are patient enough we can develop the team into one of the biggest in the world."
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The players you have named play DRASTICALLY different amounts... Ribery and Muller for example played double the amount of Shaqiri or Robben during this Bundesliga campaign.
Götze is one of the best attacking midfielders (if not THE BEST) in the world. He should not be competing for playing time with Toni Kroos... Bayern have what can be termed an embarrassment of riches. When you have top class talent playing under 20 minutes a game, it is bad for the game. The top tier talent should be spread a little better around the league in an ideal footballing world, even if we all know this is not going to be the case. It is great to see Dortmund and Bayern in the CL finals, and very sad to see Bayern snatching Dortmund's top talent to ensure only they will be there next year.Last edited by camelbreath$; 05-22-13, 01:01 PM.Comment -
Ribery always played because he's the best player in the Bundesliga, Müller had the season of his life, Robben was injured half of the season, like he always is
and Shaqiri is a young player who was bought for depth and maybe in 2-3 years to replace Ribery.
Götze can play LW,RW, Playmaker and even the false 9 if Pep wants that, so he'll get more than enough minutes.
Yes, the best talents should be spread better around the league but this stuff happens everywhere in europe. Dortmund stole Reus from Gladbach, Hummels from Bayern,Gündogan from Nürnberg etc. Dortmund will be fine next season, they have 100 mio € to replace Götze and Lewandowski and improve their bench.
They want de Bruyne, Lukaku from Chelsea and Eriksen from Ajax.Comment -
Bayern München is bigger than Borussia Dortmund. It is what it is. And that won't change. Barcelona and Real are bigger than Atletico and Valencia. Manchester United is bigger than Tottenham Hotspurs. Ajax is bigger than Twente, etc etc etc.
It's about prestige and reputation. You don't earn this with just two Championships in a row and one CL-Final. That's not how it works. Dortmund could win the CL this year and next year as well and that still wouldn't change nothing. You wanna play for Bayern, Barcelona, Real, Manchester Utd, not for Borussia, Tottenham or Valencia.Comment -
Gotze will start for Bayern for sure. Besides, Bayern's history much better than BVB's, BVB success could be short lived, and as you see Gotze and soon Lewandowski leaving they will find it much more difficult in the next few years obviously. You know that Bayern is going to succeed as they have all the money. If you were a player why wouldn't you go to the club that will more likely be BACK in the CL final in 3 years AND pay you more money?? (and likely get you even more endorsement money by increasing your profile)
Man Utd. will be in for a rude awakening. Ferguson is leaving not just to retire, but because their debt is about to catch up with them! New manager will come in and have to work on a budget and struggle because Ferguson mortgaged the future to win when he did.
They'll be competitive, but this debt will soon be knocking on the door in Manchester.Comment -
Haha no doubt. Seriously, the crowd is amazing. Been in the stadium a lot of times, it's an inferno there. (I'm biased in this game though, because I'm a Bayern fan for more than 20 years...)
But here's exactly the point: The BVB fans (and a lot of my friends are BVB fans) always love to use the expression "Wahre Liebe" (true love) when talking about their club and their players. The club is even making promotion with this slogan. And that's where I have to laugh out loud. That's some serious delusion.... For the fans it may be "Wahre Liebe". But they are REALLY thinking same goes for all their players, too. That's why they were so shocked about the Götze transfer. Come on BVB kids, wake up. This is business. And YES, the name Bayern München is bigger all around the world, than the name Borussia Dortmund. BVB fans really think the players who are in their club will never leave because Borussia is the one and only club for them. So fcking wrong man, so fcking wrong... Even Großkreutz, the most fanatic BVB player said he can imagine to leave one day for an english club. Kagawa -> gone. Götze -> gone. Hummels -> will be gone in a year for sure. Lewandowski -> likely gone after this, but definitely after next season. Sahin went to play for Real Madrid when he had the opportunity. It is not "Wahre Liebe" for them dear BVB supporters. It is a job and the BVB is an employer. It's an industrial relation, and that is quite normal. If anyone doesn't like that, he should be a supporter of an amateur team in League 10 f.e. But even there players will change the team if the new one is more successfull, has a better reputation or pays more money. There are 4-6 names in the world of football, where a player will ALWAYS listen and think about an offer. Bayern München is one of them.
Borussia Dortmund supporters always like to refer to us Bayern München guys as "Erfolgsfans" (fans strictly because of success). How wrong is that, and how stupid...? Are there "Erfolgsfans"? Hell yeah, of course, any team has those. But it's funny to see how many "Erfolgsfans" the BVB has won in the last 2 years The BVB guys amongst my friends always love to tell the fairy tale of how "arrogant" the Bayern fans are. But all my friends including me always congratulated the BVB fans after their championships the last years. This is not happening the other way around. IF Dortmund wins saturdays final, I am definitely congratulating again. But NO BVB fan will do this the other way around. That's the major difference between fair and poor sportsmenship. BVB guys among my friends are spreading their hate for weeks on Facebook. That's unclassy, sorry. This is about sport. Do I like the BVB? No. But do I "HATE" them? HELL NO! One of my friends said to me the Götze transfer was way worse for him than if his wife would have left him. And he was dead serious about that. If that defines "true love" I definitely don't wanna be a "true lover", sorry.... Wrong priorities, wrong priorities, that's all I can say. I LOVE the sport, but there are so many things in life that are WAY more important than football. When fans are defining themselfs only with and over their team I have to laugh fcking hard... I'm trying to be a good guy to my girl, my family and friends and my fellow human beings. I'm not defining myself over being a Bayern fan.
All that said, I'm looking forward to a great game of football on saturday!
(on a sidenote: Yes, Götze is really injured. He had a torn muscle fibre. He really wanted to play this game, so he started too early practicing again, which wasn't a good decision for his muscle as the injury broke up again. Anyone who doubts that can be pretty sure, that he is the one regretting this the most. And just btw: Götze was born in Bavaria, he was sleeping in Bayern München sheets as a kid. He made a failure stating in an Interview, that he has no intention of leaving after the season, def was a big mistake, and that's why some fans feel betrayed. But what happened was: Götze always wanted to play under Guardiola. Bayern contacted him and said: It's now or never. You can come this season, Guardiola wants you. Otherwise he wants Neymar. So Götze took his chance to come home to fulfill his dreams. The interview he gave was at a point when Bayern hadn't contacted him and he really had no intention to leave after the season. After Bayern made the phone call this changed of course. I think it would make way more sense to blame the BVB for putting that stupid clause in his contract that he can leave for 37 Mio € whenever a club pays that, than to blame Götze for taking his chance.)Last edited by zizoudane10; 05-23-13, 01:10 PM.Comment -
^^ Good insight.
The problem with BVB is wages. Lewa is on like 20k a week. It is amazing that once upon a time Bayern lent Dortmund some money to pay their players wages.
I think Bayern will win the game, but I hope its a game full of goals.Comment -
Everybody whining about players lack of loyalty. Zizoudane hit the nail on the head, it's a business, as are all sports. 99% of you would be gone tomorrow if another employer offered to double your salary. Clubs aren't loyal, they'll drop you in a heartbeat if they think they can get someone better. Like it or not, it's a world of haves and have nots. Always has been, always will be.
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A glance at the statistics suggests that Bayern are clear favourites for the title, but Dortmund has won five of the last nine meetings between the clubs. I think it will be over 2.5 and Borussia - the winner
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Wages are one point, but not the only one. Lewa had a new offer from Borussia, offering him 7.5 million a year and he turned it down in a heartbeat. Imagine a soccer world where all clubs would pay the same money. Bayern München would still be the Nr 1 club in Germany and a top 5 club in the world. Bayern could finish 5th or 6th three years in a row and would still have the reputation to attract great players. I remember the 94/95 season, when Bayern finished 6th in the league. It doesn't hurt the clubs overall reputation in the soccer world. It is very very hard for clubs to get in the phalanx of the biggest clubs in the world. Dortmund is a big club and a big team! There is no doubt about that, and I'm not taking anything away from them! But clubs like Bayern, United, Real, Barcelona, and a few others still have the bigger name and will most likely always have. Liverpool f.e. will always come back again, because they have this enormous name and reputation. Dortmunds success is because of one person: Jürgen Klopp. I don't like him as a person, but he was the perfect coach for this club and this team a few years ago. Take Klopp away now, and Dortmund will be seriously struggling...
Exactly. I can understand, that some fans don't like that, but it is what it is and these fans should wake up from their polly pocket world.Everybody whining about players lack of loyalty. Zizoudane hit the nail on the head, it's a business, as are all sports. 99% of you would be gone tomorrow if another employer offered to double your salary. Clubs aren't loyal, they'll drop you in a heartbeat if they think they can get someone better. Like it or not, it's a world of haves and have nots. Always has been, always will be.
There are VERY few players, that never had the intention of leaving their club, because they truly LOVE their club. Gerrard, Totti, Raul, Del Piero, just to name a few. I honour that, but maybe it was a failure at some point of their career. Gerrard and Totti f.e. could have reached a lot more in their career had they considered changing their team. But on the other hand, these players will always be true legends for their fans. And that's great, too.
Bayern is the far superior team. And there is not the slightest doubt about that. BUT, Dortmund has proven, that they are able to beat them. And it's just one game and a final. So yes, everything is possible here. Remember last years final: Bayern was the better team without any doubt, but they lost. I'm pretty sure it will be an exciting game, whatever the result might be in the end.
I'm saying 3:1 Bayern, but of course I'm biased here
But then again it's a final so I wouldn't be too surprised if we see extra time and few goals.
I'm so looking forward to this game, I'm really excited
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It's natural. They play soccer for money. Not only because of passion or sth like thatComment
