Trump Legal Cases

[Hareeba!]

I moved them here as I thought it was better than 2 more separate Bill threads

Appears to have zero relevance to Trump Legal Cases
Would be more appropriately placed in the Republican v Democrat thread

[Optional]

No Bill. This thread isn’t for this shit.

I moved them here as I thought it was better than 2 more separate Bill threads

[JIBBBY]

Not even a NY Trump hating jury can convict him now. This case is falling apart. Judge should stop this non-sense already.

[DwightShrute]

[DwightShrute]

It's both interesting and frustrating that the Trump criminal trial is centred partly around the lies told by a key prosecution witness in a case where the guy being prosecuted is arguably THE BIGGEST PATHOLOGICAL LIAR IN HUMAN HISTORY.

no one lies more than Crooked Joe Biden. Its not even close.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Definitive List Of Biden&#39;s Lies As President: 261 And Counting@ <a href="https://t.co/kNcEDFgzSw">https://t.co/kNcEDFgzSw</a></p>&mdash; Jason Chaffetz (@jasoninthehouse) <a href="https://twitter.com/jasoninthehouse/status/1745920141089792213?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >January 12, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Here’s The Authoritative List Of Lies Joe Biden Has Told As President: 364 And Counting

https://thefederalist.com/2023/09/19/heres-the-full-list-of-every-lie-joe-biden-has-told-as-president-part-four/

[Hareeba!]

It's both interesting and frustrating that the Trump criminal trial is centred partly around the lies told by a key prosecution witness in a case where the guy being prosecuted is arguably THE BIGGEST PATHOLOGICAL LIAR IN HUMAN HISTORY.

[mjsuax13]

Trump’s 40 Biggest Broken Promises

He said coronavirus would “go away without a vaccine.” You bought it. But it didn’t. While other countries got the pandemic under control and avoided large numbers of fatalities, the virus has killed more than 170,000 Americans, and that number is still climbing.

He said he won’t have time to play golf if elected president. But he has made more than 250 visits to his golf clubs since he took office—a record for any president—

He said he would repeal the Affordable Care Act, and replace it with something “beautiful.” It didn’t happen. Instead, seven million Americans have lost their health insurance since he took office.

He said he’d cut your taxes, and that the super-rich like him would pay more. He did the opposite. By 2027, the richest 1 percent will have received 83 percent of the Trump tax cut

He said corporations would use their tax cuts to invest in American workers. They didn’t.

He said he would boost economic growth by 4 percent a year. Nope. The economy stalled, and unemployment has soared to the highest levels since the Great Depression. Just over half of working-age Americans are employed—the worst ratio in 70 years.

He said he wouldn’t “cut Social Security His latest budget includes billions in cuts to Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid.

He promised to be “the voice” of American workers. He hasn’t.

He promised that the average American family would see a $4,000 pay raise because of his tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations. But nothing trickled down.

He promised that anyone who wants a test for COVID will get one. But countless Americans still can’t get a test.

He said hydroxychloroquine protects against coronavirus. No way. The FDA revoked its emergency authorization due to the drug’s potentially lethal side effects.

He promised to eliminate the federal deficit. He has increased the federal deficit by more than 60 percent.

He said he would hire “only the best people.” He has fired a record number of his own Cabinet and White House picks, and then called them “whackos,” “dumb as a rock,” and “not mentally qualified.” Six of them have been charged with crimes.

He promised to bring down the price of prescription drugs and said drug companies are “getting away with murder.” They still are. Drug prices have soared,

He promised to revive the struggling coal industry and bring back lost coal mining jobs. nada losing more jobs

He promised to help American workers during the pandemic. But 80 percent of the tax benefits in the coronavirus stimulus package have gone to millionaires and billionaires.

He said he’d drain the swamp. Instead, he’s brought into his administration more billionaires, CEOs, and Wall Street moguls than in any administration in history,

He promised to protect Americans with pre-existing conditions. His Justice Department is trying to repeal the entire Affordable Care Act, including protections for people with pre-existing conditions.

He said Mexico would pay for his border wall. The wall will cost American taxpayers an estimated $11 billion.

20.)He promised to bring peace to the Middle East. Instead, tensions have increased and his so-called “peace plan” was dead on arrival.

He promised to lock up Hillary Clinton for using a private email server. He didn’t. Funny enough, Trump uses his personal cellphone for official business, and several members of his own administration, including Jared Kushner and Ivanka, have used private email in the White House

He promised to use his business experience to whip the federal government into shape. He hasn’t. His White House is in permanent chaos.

He promised to end DACA. The Supreme Court ruled that his plan to deport 700,000 young immigrants was unconstitutional, and DACA still stands.

He promised “six weeks of paid maternity leave to any mother with a newborn child whose employer does not provide the benefit.” He hasn’t delivered.

He promised to bring an end to Kim Jong Un’s nuclear program. Kim is expanding North Korea’s nuclear program.

He said he would distance himself from his businesses while in office. NOPE!!!

He said he’d force companies to keep jobs in America, and that there would be consequences for companies that shipped jobs abroad. Since he took office, companies like GE, Carrier, Ford, and Harley Davidson have continued to outsource thousands of jobs

He promised to end the opioid crisis. Americans are now more likely to die from an opioid overdose than a car accident.

He said he’d release his tax returns. It’s been nearly four years. He hasn’t released his tax returns.

He promised to tear up the Iran nuclear deal and renegotiate a better deal. Negotiations have gone nowhere, and he brought us to the brink of war.

He promised to enact term limits for all members of Congress. He has not even tried to enact term limits.

He promised that China would pay for tariffs on imported goods. His trade war has cost U.S. consumers $34 billion a year, eliminated 300,000 American jobs, and cost American taxpayers $22 billion in subsidies for farmers hurt by the tariffs.

He promised to “push colleges to cut the skyrocketing cost of tuition.” Instead, he’s made it easier for for-profit colleges to defraud students, and tuition is still rising.

He promised to protect American steel jobs. The steel industry continues to lose jobs.

He promised tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations would spur economic growth and pay for themselves. His tax cuts added $2 trillion to the federal deficit.

After pulling out of the Paris climate accord, he said he’d negotiate a better deal on the environment. He hasn’t attempted to negotiate any deal.

He promised that the many women who accused him of sexual misconduct “will be sued after the election is over.” He hasn’t sued them, presumably because he doesn’t want the truth to come out.

He promised to bring back all troops from Afghanistan. He now says: “We’ll always have somebody there.”

He pledged to put America first. Instead, he’s deferred to dictators and authoritarians at America’s expense, and ostracized our allies—who now laugh at us behind our back.

He promised to be the voice of the common people. He’s made his rich friends richer, increased the political power of big corporations and the wealthy, and harmed working Americans.

No Bill. This thread isn’t for this shit.

[OldBill]

Trump’s 40 Biggest Broken Promises

He said coronavirus would “go away without a vaccine.” You bought it. But it didn’t. While other countries got the pandemic under control and avoided large numbers of fatalities, the virus has killed more than 170,000 Americans, and that number is still climbing.

He said he won’t have time to play golf if elected president. But he has made more than 250 visits to his golf clubs since he took office—a record for any president—

He said he would repeal the Affordable Care Act, and replace it with something “beautiful.” It didn’t happen. Instead, seven million Americans have lost their health insurance since he took office.

He said he’d cut your taxes, and that the super-rich like him would pay more. He did the opposite. By 2027, the richest 1 percent will have received 83 percent of the Trump tax cut

He said corporations would use their tax cuts to invest in American workers. They didn’t.

He said he would boost economic growth by 4 percent a year. Nope. The economy stalled, and unemployment has soared to the highest levels since the Great Depression. Just over half of working-age Americans are employed—the worst ratio in 70 years.

He said he wouldn’t “cut Social Security His latest budget includes billions in cuts to Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid.

He promised to be “the voice” of American workers. He hasn’t.

He promised that the average American family would see a $4,000 pay raise because of his tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations. But nothing trickled down.

He promised that anyone who wants a test for COVID will get one. But countless Americans still can’t get a test.

He said hydroxychloroquine protects against coronavirus. No way. The FDA revoked its emergency authorization due to the drug’s potentially lethal side effects.

He promised to eliminate the federal deficit. He has increased the federal deficit by more than 60 percent.

He said he would hire “only the best people.” He has fired a record number of his own Cabinet and White House picks, and then called them “whackos,” “dumb as a rock,” and “not mentally qualified.” Six of them have been charged with crimes.

He promised to bring down the price of prescription drugs and said drug companies are “getting away with murder.” They still are. Drug prices have soared,

He promised to revive the struggling coal industry and bring back lost coal mining jobs. nada losing more jobs

He promised to help American workers during the pandemic. But 80 percent of the tax benefits in the coronavirus stimulus package have gone to millionaires and billionaires.

He said he’d drain the swamp. Instead, he’s brought into his administration more billionaires, CEOs, and Wall Street moguls than in any administration in history,

He promised to protect Americans with pre-existing conditions. His Justice Department is trying to repeal the entire Affordable Care Act, including protections for people with pre-existing conditions.

He said Mexico would pay for his border wall. The wall will cost American taxpayers an estimated $11 billion.

20.)He promised to bring peace to the Middle East. Instead, tensions have increased and his so-called “peace plan” was dead on arrival.

He promised to lock up Hillary Clinton for using a private email server. He didn’t. Funny enough, Trump uses his personal cellphone for official business, and several members of his own administration, including Jared Kushner and Ivanka, have used private email in the White House

He promised to use his business experience to whip the federal government into shape. He hasn’t. His White House is in permanent chaos.

He promised to end DACA. The Supreme Court ruled that his plan to deport 700,000 young immigrants was unconstitutional, and DACA still stands.

He promised “six weeks of paid maternity leave to any mother with a newborn child whose employer does not provide the benefit.” He hasn’t delivered.

He promised to bring an end to Kim Jong Un’s nuclear program. Kim is expanding North Korea’s nuclear program.

He said he would distance himself from his businesses while in office. NOPE!!!

He said he’d force companies to keep jobs in America, and that there would be consequences for companies that shipped jobs abroad. Since he took office, companies like GE, Carrier, Ford, and Harley Davidson have continued to outsource thousands of jobs

He promised to end the opioid crisis. Americans are now more likely to die from an opioid overdose than a car accident.

He said he’d release his tax returns. It’s been nearly four years. He hasn’t released his tax returns.

He promised to tear up the Iran nuclear deal and renegotiate a better deal. Negotiations have gone nowhere, and he brought us to the brink of war.

He promised to enact term limits for all members of Congress. He has not even tried to enact term limits.

He promised that China would pay for tariffs on imported goods. His trade war has cost U.S. consumers $34 billion a year, eliminated 300,000 American jobs, and cost American taxpayers $22 billion in subsidies for farmers hurt by the tariffs.

He promised to “push colleges to cut the skyrocketing cost of tuition.” Instead, he’s made it easier for for-profit colleges to defraud students, and tuition is still rising.

He promised to protect American steel jobs. The steel industry continues to lose jobs.

He promised tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations would spur economic growth and pay for themselves. His tax cuts added $2 trillion to the federal deficit.

After pulling out of the Paris climate accord, he said he’d negotiate a better deal on the environment. He hasn’t attempted to negotiate any deal.

He promised that the many women who accused him of sexual misconduct “will be sued after the election is over.” He hasn’t sued them, presumably because he doesn’t want the truth to come out.

He promised to bring back all troops from Afghanistan. He now says: “We’ll always have somebody there.”

He pledged to put America first. Instead, he’s deferred to dictators and authoritarians at America’s expense, and ostracized our allies—who now laugh at us behind our back.

He promised to be the voice of the common people. He’s made his rich friends richer, increased the political power of big corporations and the wealthy, and harmed working Americans.

[OldBill]

Full List of Donald Trump Lawyers Who Have Left Since 2020 Election Loss

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Joe Tacopina, Chad Seigel, and Matthew DeOreo
On Monday, Tacopina, a criminal defense lawyer who has represented many celebrities and high-profile figures, and his two partners announced they are no longer representing Trump in the alleged falsification of business records trial in New York.

Drew Findling
The Georgia attorney, who uses the #BillionDollarLawyer tag on Instagram, is another former Trump attorney who is known for representing celebrities, including numerous rappers.
Findling stepped away from Trump's legal team in the Georgia election interference case, where the former president pleaded not guilty to 13 charges, just hours before he surrendered to authorities in Fulton County in August 2023.

Jim Trusty and John Rowley
The pair announced in June 2023 that they will no longer be representing Trump in either the classified documents case, where Trump has pleaded not guilty to 40 charges, or the federal investigation where Trump has pleaded not guilty to four counts over his alleged criminal attempt to overturn the 2020 election results.

Tim Parlatore
Parlatore quit representing Trump in the federal investigation over allegations the former president illegally retained sensitive and secret materials after he left the White House in January 2021, and then obstructed the federal attempt to retrieve them from his Mar-a-Lago resort.

The lawyer told CNN in May 2023 that he left Trump's team because there were "certain individuals that made defending the president much harder than it needed to be," including longtime Trump adviser Boris Epshteyn. "It had nothing to do with the case itself or the client."

Rudy Giuliani
Trump cut all official ties with the former New York mayor in February 2021.
Giuliani played a key role in Trump's failed bid to overturn the 2020 election results and was indicted alongside the former president and 17 others under Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis' Georgia probe.

Sidney Powell
In November 2020, Trump fired the election conspiracy theorist and QAnon advocate after she pushed baseless voter fraud claims.

Powell pleaded guilty in October 2023 to six misdemeanor counts of conspiracy to commit interference with election duties. She was also indicted in the Georgia case along with Trump.

Linda Kerns, John Scott, and Douglas Bryan Hughes
In November 2020, three Trump attorneys said they would be withdrawing from Trump's alleged attempts to block Pennsylvania from certifying its election results via the courts.

While filing a motion to withdraw from the case, Kerns, Scott and Hughes said Trump "will be best served" if they left the case.

The same month, lawyers at Porter Wright Morris & Arthur also confirmed in a statement they would be withdrawing from the Pennsylvania election lawsuit.

[jt315]

The case died yesterday... media is dropping it like a hot rock. Cannot overstate how bad a witness that Cohen is. This hastily thought out plan just ended up being about $500 million in free publicity for Trump.

Still not expecting an acquittal based on the jury pool but a hung jury is good enough .

[Itsamazing777]

[ByeShea]

Find any Meidas Touch articles on how well Fat Alvin’s zombie case is going lately ?

The case died yesterday... media is dropping it like a hot rock. Cannot overstate how bad a witness that Cohen is. This hastily thought out plan just ended up being about $500 million in free publicity for Trump.

[DwightShrute]

Samuel Alito apparently supported Trump’s coup
Ginni Thomas-wife of Clarence-was part of the coup
Instead of recusing themselves when Trump brought an election law case
Both-with Gorsuch-found for Trump
Now they will decide if he gets immunity
The Supreme Court is broken

you are absolutely deranged and committed to deception. Of course a president has immunity, within reason of course, and Trump's lawyers made that case. No one is saying a president can go around killing people in his spare time, but while carrying out his duties as commander and chief, he does have immunity as have every president before Trump.

I am not saying you are stupid but you certainly have bad luck when it comes to thinking.

[jt315]

Samuel Alito apparently supported Trump’s coup
Ginni Thomas-wife of Clarence-was part of the coup
Instead of recusing themselves when Trump brought an election law case
Both-with Gorsuch-found for Trump
Now they will decide if he gets immunity
The Supreme Court is broken

Find any Meidas Touch articles on how well Fat Alvin’s zombie case is going lately ?

[Hareeba!]

Samuel Alito apparently supported Trump’s coup
Ginni Thomas-wife of Clarence-was part of the coup
Instead of recusing themselves when Trump brought an election law case
Both-with Gorsuch-found for Trump
Now they will decide if he gets immunity
The Supreme Court is broken

[Itsamazing777]

Cohen got grilled in court today. The jury will see the convicted perjurer as the lying pos he is and that he is not to be trusted.

[DwightShrute]

TIM ROSENBERGER

DA Bragg lets NYC crime run rampant as he pursues empty case against Trump

priorities

[DwightShrute]

TFG wraps up his morning rant by attacking one of the prosecutors, Colangelo.

A flagrant violation of his gag order!

[slewfan]

[COLOR=var(--flag--stamp--text)]TIM ROSENBERGER

DA Bragg lets NYC crime run rampant as he pursues empty case against Trump

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[jt315]

TFG wraps up his morning rant by attacking one of the prosecutors, Colangelo.

A flagrant violation of his gag order!

The way things are going for Fat Alvin’s case , your best hope for Trump going to jail is a violation of the gag order .

When you’re starting to lose another at DNCNN

Anderson Cooper was left stunned by Trump's attorney's cross examination of Michael Cohen"It was incredible...lawyers want to build a box around the witness & slam it shut--that's what Todd Blanche did to Cohen

[Hareeba!]

TFG wraps up his morning rant by attacking one of the prosecutors, Colangelo.

A flagrant violation of his gag order!

[jt315]

Michael Cohen's former adviser Bob Costello :
1. Michael Cohen didn't actually believe the Stormy Daniels allegation.
2. Cohen paid Stormy Daniels all on his own after being contacted by a rep for Stormy Daniels .
3. President Trump had nothing to do with it.

[jt315]

The Washington Post’s opinion editor Alexi McCammond expressed dismay over why Democrats’ lawfare trials haven’t fully kneecapped former President Donald Trump after a new poll shows Trump clobbering President Joe Biden in key swing states.

“How in the world is Trump’s trial not hurting him?” a clueless McCammond posed in her headline. “How is the former president still ahead of Biden in recent polls?”

[jt315]

NEW YORK CITY, NEW YORK:
In the days leading up to his highly anticipated testimony in Donald Trump's hush money trial, Michael Cohen, the former president's once-loyal lawyer, finds himself at the center of controversy for his nightly TikTok livestreams.

Cohen had been using the platform to discuss the case and earn money through viewer donations, a move that legal experts warned could undermine his credibility as a key witness, as reported by the New York Post



Fat Alvin’s “star witness” on cross examination


When asked about his TikTok postings, Cohen said "I'm having a difficult time sleeping and I found an out.

[jt315]

Oh nothing, just the President saying he'll order Attorney General Jeff Sessions to 'take care of' a federal investigation into his own criminal activity of falsifying business records to cover up hush money payments to a porn star.

Speaking of nothing …

“Star witness “Michael Cohen’s testimony tying Trump to the still unknown felony Fat Alvin is trying to convict him on below .

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[Hareeba!]

What an odd coincidence that TFG's surrogates who attend his trial come out and use the exact same talking points, nearly word for word, that Trump used previously to violate the gag order.

[DwightShrute]

Oh nothing, just the President saying he'll order Attorney General Jeff Sessions to 'take care of' a federal investigation into his own criminal activity of falsifying business records to cover up hush money payments to a porn star.

Michael Cohen's runners

[Hareeba!]

Oh nothing, just the President saying he'll order Attorney General Jeff Sessions to 'take care of' a federal investigation into his own criminal activity of falsifying business records to cover up hush money payments to a porn star.

[DwightShrute]

so here's what we (you) know so far:

• The politics section was removed some time ago mostly because a few posters were continuously opening multiple threads saying the same thing. This was "polluting" the forum.
• So SBR asked posters if they could not do it. Respect the forum in other words. They decided to merge several threads into a 3 separate threads. 1) Trump Legal Cases, 2) Republican vs Democrat, and 3) Left, Right, Center. All things Political. The Political Forum.
• For the most part, its worked pretty well. The number of posts by posters asking to saloon this post has basically been eliminated. People still can discuss politics but the "sports forum" isn't flooded with dozens of threads saying the same thing. For the most part, posters have respected it.
• This particular post in #1 in this thread could should easily go into one of the three threads mentioned. Either one would suffice. I don't think I am alone in saying the best one would be "Trump's Legal Cases" but whatever. You could make a case for either thread I suppose.

So what does OldBill do? You posted that video in neither one of those 3 threads. Nope. You posted it in a brand new new political thread YOU created a couple days ago called ... " NO way trump really really said this at Rally Hannibal Lecter". You did this a few minutes ago. Then your TDS really kicked in, or maybe it was the Xanax, when you created an entirely new thread (this thread here) where you posted the exact same video that you just posted in the " NO way trump really really said this at Rally Hannibal Lecter" thread. Never mind, the video is 5 years old.

It reminds me of your post when you took back the new scarf to the store because you said "It was too tight!".

[ByeShea]

2019: CNN does story on secret Cohen tapes.

2024: OldBill posts CNN story from 2019.

[OldBill]

CNN obtains secret Trump-Cohen audio recording



the full recording before they talked about how to set up the financing

[jt315]

Bragg is even losing CNN hosts and legal analysts. Fareed Zakaria: "I doubt the New York indictment would have been brought against a defendant whose name was not Donald Trump"

Elie Honig: If brought in a less democratic district " I would say there's no chance of a conviction."

[slewfan]

Once they start realizing what's happening and begin attacking each other, good things may come of it. These are Barach Biden's people.


Democratic senator rips Hillary Clinton’s ‘dismissive’ criticism of anti-Israel protesters

[Hareeba!]

Donald Trump is indisputably the worst president in American history


Or for a more positive spin: He's the 45th best president in American history!


George W. Bush was a terrible president. He fumbled everything from Katrina to Iraq to the economy. But even he wasn't all bad — his AIDS initiative in Africa was a blessing to that continent, for instance.
Jimmy Carter is remembered as a disastrous president (possibly unfairly) but he's had a post-presidency that's proved him an uncommonly decent man.

Lyndon Johnson's presidency collapsed in the Vietnam War — but hey, at least he spearheaded the momentous Civil Rights Act.

Trump oversees a White House full of chaotic, petty backstabbing. He makes some key decisions, it appears, purely for their trolling value. He changes positions so frequently that no one can rely on his word, but you weren't going to trust his word anyway since he's such a prolific liar. He tolerates obvious corruption in his Cabinet. He can't quite bring himself to condemn Nazis. And what may be his greatest "success" — getting out of Congress' way to get a tax cut passed — was a handout to the rich that will be paid by the poor and middle class for years to come.

He's the worst.

The list goes on. It is near impossible to find any president, no matter how terrible, of whom some nice things can't be said — until we get to Trump.

Trump is that while he's a vulgarian con man, he's at least an entertaining vulgarian con man.

What's clear to most of us, then, is that Trump is an awful president. What's less clear? That there's anything nice you can say about him or his presidency. It's catastrophes all the way down. Trump is the worst — and it's Americans who will pay the price.

100%!
No other comes even close

[Itsamazing777]

Donald Trump is indisputably the worst president in American history


Or for a more positive spin: He's the 45th best president in American history!


George W. Bush was a terrible president. He fumbled everything from Katrina to Iraq to the economy. But even he wasn't all bad — his AIDS initiative in Africa was a blessing to that continent, for instance.
Jimmy Carter is remembered as a disastrous president (possibly unfairly) but he's had a post-presidency that's proved him an uncommonly decent man.

Lyndon Johnson's presidency collapsed in the Vietnam War — but hey, at least he spearheaded the momentous Civil Rights Act.

Trump oversees a White House full of chaotic, petty backstabbing. He makes some key decisions, it appears, purely for their trolling value. He changes positions so frequently that no one can rely on his word, but you weren't going to trust his word anyway since he's such a prolific liar. He tolerates obvious corruption in his Cabinet. He can't quite bring himself to condemn Nazis. And what may be his greatest "success" — getting out of Congress' way to get a tax cut passed — was a handout to the rich that will be paid by the poor and middle class for years to come.

He's the worst.

The list goes on. It is near impossible to find any president, no matter how terrible, of whom some nice things can't be said — until we get to Trump.

Trump is that while he's a vulgarian con man, he's at least an entertaining vulgarian con man.

What's clear to most of us, then, is that Trump is an awful president. What's less clear? That there's anything nice you can say about him or his presidency. It's catastrophes all the way down. Trump is the worst — and it's Americans who will pay the price.

You are clueless