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  • OldBill
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 11-02-21
    • 6416

    #1
    In Announcing 2024 Bid for Presidency, Trump Echoes Old Falsehoods
    ladies n gentlemen i present to you the greatest show on earth

    WASHINGTON — Former President Donald Trump announced his third bid for the presidency Tuesday night in a speech that was like many others that have come before it: packed full of falsehoods.

    Trump uttered the first inaccurate claim about two minutes in: that his administration “built the greatest economy in the history of the world.” That was inaccurate even for recent American history. Annual average growth, even before the coronavirus pandemic decimated the economy, was lower under Trump than under Presidents Bill Clinton and Ronald Reagan.




    Two minutes later, he ticked off at least four hyperbolic statements about his accomplishments as president. He pointed to drugs coming across the border at “the lowest level in many, many years.” (The total flow of drugs is unknowable.) He claimed to have “finally attained the impossible dream of American energy independence.” (Before Trump took office, the country had been projected to become a net exporter of energy, and it still relies on some imports.)

    He said that “no president had ever sought or received one dollar for our country from China,” which handed over “hundreds of billions of dollars” under his administration. (His tariffs on Chinese imports have so far raised $161 billion, with much of those tariffs passed onto consumers, and duties had been placed on Chinese imports before he took office.)

    And he repeated his perennial falsehood of delivering “the biggest” tax cuts in American history. (Several others were larger.)





    Over the next hour, Trump repeated many familiar exaggerations about his own achievements, reiterated misleading attacks on political opponents and made dire assessments that were at odds with reality.



    Here’s a fact-check of some of his remarks:

    The Economy and Energy Policy
    In Trump’s telling, he had made America “great and glorious” and President Joe Biden “destroyed it.” Not content with accurately pointing out that inflation had soared in recent months to the highest point in decades and gas prices had broken records, Trump embellished even more.


    He added: “I expect them to go higher, now that the strategic national reserves, which I filled up, have been virtually drained.”

    Trump did not completely fill up the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, nor has Biden almost emptied it. Since the first oil was delivered to the stockpile in 1977, it stored the most oil under President Barack Obama, about 726 million barrels. Under Trump, the amount fluctuated between 634 million and 695 million barrels. Under Biden, it has fallen to about 445 million barrels in August, the month with the most recent figures.


    “We will immediately tackle inflation and bring down to a level where it was: We were at zero,” Trump claimed.

    The Consumer Price Index was at 1.2% in 2020, the last full year he was in office, and 1.4% in January 2021, his last month as president.

    “We were $1.87 a gallon for gasoline. Now it is sitting at $5, $6, $7 and even $8,” Trump exaggerated. “The socialist disaster known as the Green New Deal, which is destroying our country, and the many crippling regulations that it has spawned will be immediately terminated so that our country can again breathe and grow.”



    Nationally, the average price for gas was $2.39 a gallon in the last week of January 2021. Last week, it was $3.76. The Green New Deal is a proposal by some Democrats in Congress to tackle climate change, and has not been enacted into law.



    Immigration and Border Security


    Much as he did in his speech announcing his presidential bid seven years earlier, Trump devoted considerable time to discussing border security.
    Several times, he falsely heralded the completion of his long-promised border wall. The Trump administration constructed 453 miles of border wall over four years, and a vast majority of the new barriers reinforced or replaced existing structures. Of that, about 47 miles were new primary barriers.

    The United States’ southwestern border with Mexico is over 1,900 miles.

    “When the wall was finished, that’s how we set all these records,” he claimed.

    Apprehensions of unauthorized border crossers had decreased in the 2020 fiscal year, Trump’s last full year in office, to about 400,000. That decline was not because of an incomplete physical wall, but in part because of his hard-line immigration policies and in part because migration and travel had dipped in light of the pandemic.

    Nor were those figures the lowest recorded. The 2016 and 2015 fiscal years yielded similar numbers: 400,000 and 331,000.


    Those figures have increased sharply under Biden to more than 2.3 million in the 2022 fiscal year, breaking records. But an accurate comparison was not stark enough for Trump, who inflated the numbers even more.
    “It’s 10 million people coming in, not 3 or 4 million people; they are pouring into our country. We have no idea who they are and where they come from. We have no idea what is happening to our country,” he said, offering no evidence.


    Foreign Policy


    Trump made several assessments about global conflicts and geopolitics that required further scrutiny.
    The Islamic State extremist group, he said, “was decimated by me.” The group suffered territorial losses in 2019, but analysts and Trump’s own military officials warned that ISIS fighters remained an insurgent force in the country. Just last month, U.S. Special Forces carried out major strikes against the group.



    Russia’s invasion of Ukraine “never would have happened if I were your president,” he declared. “Just today, a missile was sent in probably by Russia to Poland, 50 miles into Poland.”

    This statement, cautious by Trump’s standards, nonetheless contained an exaggeration. At the time of his remarks, Poland had said a missile most likely made by Russia had killed two citizens about 4 miles — not 50 — from its border with Ukraine, but Poland’s president said there was no conclusive evidence. By Wednesday, Poland and NATO had said the missile was more likely a Ukrainian air defense missile and characterized the explosion as an accident.



    Trump also mocked the Biden administration’s and other world leaders’ focus on climate change: “They say the ocean will rise 1/8th of an inch over the next 200 to 300 years.” Sea level along the U.S. coastline is projected to rise by 10 to 12 inches in the next 30 years alone.



    Attacks on Trump Investigations


    As he often does during campaign rallies, Trump used misleading claims to portray himself as the victim of what he described as corrupt investigations by the FBI and the Justice Department.


    “The FBI offered $1 million to Christopher Steele, who wrote the fake dossier, if he will lie and say that the fake dossier was true,” Trump said. “And he refused to do it, so it had to be really fake.”



    The bureau offered Steele, a British former spy who compiled a salacious dossier of unproven rumors about Trump’s ties to Russia, up to $1 million if he could prove those allegations, an FBI analyst testified in court in October. Steele could not and did not receive the money.


    “And then they hired somebody, Danchenko, for $200,000 a year, to focus on Trump and to get Trump and other things, including the raid of a very beautiful house that sits right here,” he added. “The raid of Mar-a-Lago, think of it.”


    He was referring to Igor Danchenko, a Russian analyst who provided much of the research for the dossier. Danchenko was recently acquitted on four counts of lying to the FBI about his sources, in an investigation examining the origins of the inquiry into Trump’s ties with Russia. During Danchenko’s trial, an agent testified that the FBI had paid him $200,000 over three years — not one, as Trump said — for his work as a confidential source.



    Moreover, Danchenko’s trial and the investigation that spurred it had nothing to do with the FBI’s search of Mar-a-Lago, Trump’s home and private club in Florida. That court-ordered search was focused on retrieving government documents, some classified and marked top secret, that Trump took from the White House and stored there.


    “Why didn’t you do Obama, who took a lot of things with him?” Trump continued.
    But unlike Trump, former President Barack Obama had not kept documents and instead turned them over to National Archives and Records Administration, as required by a 1978 law.


    Election Results


    The outcome of the midterm elections and the fact that the Republican Party fell short of expectations were almost an afterthought to Trump.


    He claimed premature victory, saying Republicans took a majority in the House of Representatives “just a short time” before his speech though the party was only on the verge of taking control. The race was officially called for Republicans on Wednesday night.



    Though Trump refrained from repeating his bogus claims of outright electoral fraud, he still complained about the voting process, which he characterized as “a ridiculously long and unnecessary period of waiting, far longer in fact than any third-world country.”


    Trump singled out France, where President Emmanuel Macron won reelection in April. Trump was largely correct that the first projections declaring Macron the winner occurred shortly after the last polling locations closed at 8 p.m.

    But the relative speed of that call, compared with the first projections of the midterm elections in the United States, can be attributed to the more straightforward election process in France.

    It was a single race compared with multiple local and state-level races on the ballots in the United States; was administered by a centralized authority, the

    Interior Ministry, rather than by local election officials under different rules and procedures; and occurred across a single time zone, rather than multiple ones, as in the United States.



    Moreover, he is wrong that the United States takes longer than “any” country to count votes. In recent presidential elections, Indonesia took more than a month to count the votes in 2019, Afghanistan five months to declare a winner after its September 2019 vote, and Bosnia weeks to declare a winner this fall.



    Trump also briefly defended his position as kingmaker: “I do want to point out that in the midterms, my endorsement success rate was 232 wins and only 22 losses.”

    Left unsaid: Many of those 200-or-so victories came in deeply conservative districts where Republicans were expected to easily win reelection. In 114 districts where the margin of victory was less than 15%, candidates endorsed by

    Trump underperformed their baseline by 5 percentage points, according to Philip Wallach, a fellow at the conservative American Enterprise Institute. An analysis from the Upshot showed a similar result.


    And Trump reminisced over past electoral successes, exaggerating again when he claimed to have “won every single area along the borders” in Texas. (In reality, he won seven out of 14 border counties in the state in 2020 and five in 2016.)



    “In 2020, I received the largest number of votes of any sitting president in history,” Trump recounted, ignoring that Biden had even more votes.

    © 2022 The New York Times Company

    now the federal agents DOJ Cangress n others are calling in the 14th amendment against trump

    No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.


    Oath of office of the president of the United States

    This clause is one of three oath or affirmation clauses in the Constitution, but it is the only one that actually specifies the words that must be spoken. Article I, Section 3 requires Senators, when sitting to try impeachments, to be "on Oath or Affirmation." Article VI, Clause 3, similarly requires the persons specified therein to "be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution." The presidential oath requires much more than that general oath of allegiance and fidelity.

    This clause enjoins the new president to swear or affirm that he or she "will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

    Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:—"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
  • edawg
    SBR MVP
    • 07-09-11
    • 2820

    #2
    Originally posted by OldBill
    ladies n gentlemen i present to you the greatest show on earth

    WASHINGTON — Former President Donald Trump announced his third bid for the presidency Tuesday night in a speech that was like many others that have come before it: packed full of falsehoods.

    Trump uttered the first inaccurate claim about two minutes in: that his administration “built the greatest economy in the history of the world.” That was inaccurate even for recent American history. Annual average growth, even before the coronavirus pandemic decimated the economy, was lower under Trump than under Presidents Bill Clinton and Ronald Reagan.




    Two minutes later, he ticked off at least four hyperbolic statements about his accomplishments as president. He pointed to drugs coming across the border at “the lowest level in many, many years.” (The total flow of drugs is unknowable.) He claimed to have “finally attained the impossible dream of American energy independence.” (Before Trump took office, the country had been projected to become a net exporter of energy, and it still relies on some imports.)

    He said that “no president had ever sought or received one dollar for our country from China,” which handed over “hundreds of billions of dollars” under his administration. (His tariffs on Chinese imports have so far raised $161 billion, with much of those tariffs passed onto consumers, and duties had been placed on Chinese imports before he took office.)

    And he repeated his perennial falsehood of delivering “the biggest” tax cuts in American history. (Several others were larger.)





    Over the next hour, Trump repeated many familiar exaggerations about his own achievements, reiterated misleading attacks on political opponents and made dire assessments that were at odds with reality.



    Here’s a fact-check of some of his remarks:

    The Economy and Energy Policy
    In Trump’s telling, he had made America “great and glorious” and President Joe Biden “destroyed it.” Not content with accurately pointing out that inflation had soared in recent months to the highest point in decades and gas prices had broken records, Trump embellished even more.


    He added: “I expect them to go higher, now that the strategic national reserves, which I filled up, have been virtually drained.”

    Trump did not completely fill up the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, nor has Biden almost emptied it. Since the first oil was delivered to the stockpile in 1977, it stored the most oil under President Barack Obama, about 726 million barrels. Under Trump, the amount fluctuated between 634 million and 695 million barrels. Under Biden, it has fallen to about 445 million barrels in August, the month with the most recent figures.


    “We will immediately tackle inflation and bring down to a level where it was: We were at zero,” Trump claimed.

    The Consumer Price Index was at 1.2% in 2020, the last full year he was in office, and 1.4% in January 2021, his last month as president.

    “We were $1.87 a gallon for gasoline. Now it is sitting at $5, $6, $7 and even $8,” Trump exaggerated. “The socialist disaster known as the Green New Deal, which is destroying our country, and the many crippling regulations that it has spawned will be immediately terminated so that our country can again breathe and grow.”



    Nationally, the average price for gas was $2.39 a gallon in the last week of January 2021. Last week, it was $3.76. The Green New Deal is a proposal by some Democrats in Congress to tackle climate change, and has not been enacted into law.



    Immigration and Border Security


    Much as he did in his speech announcing his presidential bid seven years earlier, Trump devoted considerable time to discussing border security.
    Several times, he falsely heralded the completion of his long-promised border wall. The Trump administration constructed 453 miles of border wall over four years, and a vast majority of the new barriers reinforced or replaced existing structures. Of that, about 47 miles were new primary barriers.

    The United States’ southwestern border with Mexico is over 1,900 miles.

    “When the wall was finished, that’s how we set all these records,” he claimed.

    Apprehensions of unauthorized border crossers had decreased in the 2020 fiscal year, Trump’s last full year in office, to about 400,000. That decline was not because of an incomplete physical wall, but in part because of his hard-line immigration policies and in part because migration and travel had dipped in light of the pandemic.

    Nor were those figures the lowest recorded. The 2016 and 2015 fiscal years yielded similar numbers: 400,000 and 331,000.


    Those figures have increased sharply under Biden to more than 2.3 million in the 2022 fiscal year, breaking records. But an accurate comparison was not stark enough for Trump, who inflated the numbers even more.
    “It’s 10 million people coming in, not 3 or 4 million people; they are pouring into our country. We have no idea who they are and where they come from. We have no idea what is happening to our country,” he said, offering no evidence.


    Foreign Policy


    Trump made several assessments about global conflicts and geopolitics that required further scrutiny.
    The Islamic State extremist group, he said, “was decimated by me.” The group suffered territorial losses in 2019, but analysts and Trump’s own military officials warned that ISIS fighters remained an insurgent force in the country. Just last month, U.S. Special Forces carried out major strikes against the group.



    Russia’s invasion of Ukraine “never would have happened if I were your president,” he declared. “Just today, a missile was sent in probably by Russia to Poland, 50 miles into Poland.”

    This statement, cautious by Trump’s standards, nonetheless contained an exaggeration. At the time of his remarks, Poland had said a missile most likely made by Russia had killed two citizens about 4 miles — not 50 — from its border with Ukraine, but Poland’s president said there was no conclusive evidence. By Wednesday, Poland and NATO had said the missile was more likely a Ukrainian air defense missile and characterized the explosion as an accident.



    Trump also mocked the Biden administration’s and other world leaders’ focus on climate change: “They say the ocean will rise 1/8th of an inch over the next 200 to 300 years.” Sea level along the U.S. coastline is projected to rise by 10 to 12 inches in the next 30 years alone.



    Attacks on Trump Investigations


    As he often does during campaign rallies, Trump used misleading claims to portray himself as the victim of what he described as corrupt investigations by the FBI and the Justice Department.


    “The FBI offered $1 million to Christopher Steele, who wrote the fake dossier, if he will lie and say that the fake dossier was true,” Trump said. “And he refused to do it, so it had to be really fake.”



    The bureau offered Steele, a British former spy who compiled a salacious dossier of unproven rumors about Trump’s ties to Russia, up to $1 million if he could prove those allegations, an FBI analyst testified in court in October. Steele could not and did not receive the money.


    “And then they hired somebody, Danchenko, for $200,000 a year, to focus on Trump and to get Trump and other things, including the raid of a very beautiful house that sits right here,” he added. “The raid of Mar-a-Lago, think of it.”


    He was referring to Igor Danchenko, a Russian analyst who provided much of the research for the dossier. Danchenko was recently acquitted on four counts of lying to the FBI about his sources, in an investigation examining the origins of the inquiry into Trump’s ties with Russia. During Danchenko’s trial, an agent testified that the FBI had paid him $200,000 over three years — not one, as Trump said — for his work as a confidential source.



    Moreover, Danchenko’s trial and the investigation that spurred it had nothing to do with the FBI’s search of Mar-a-Lago, Trump’s home and private club in Florida. That court-ordered search was focused on retrieving government documents, some classified and marked top secret, that Trump took from the White House and stored there.


    “Why didn’t you do Obama, who took a lot of things with him?” Trump continued.
    But unlike Trump, former President Barack Obama had not kept documents and instead turned them over to National Archives and Records Administration, as required by a 1978 law.


    Election Results


    The outcome of the midterm elections and the fact that the Republican Party fell short of expectations were almost an afterthought to Trump.


    He claimed premature victory, saying Republicans took a majority in the House of Representatives “just a short time” before his speech though the party was only on the verge of taking control. The race was officially called for Republicans on Wednesday night.



    Though Trump refrained from repeating his bogus claims of outright electoral fraud, he still complained about the voting process, which he characterized as “a ridiculously long and unnecessary period of waiting, far longer in fact than any third-world country.”


    Trump singled out France, where President Emmanuel Macron won reelection in April. Trump was largely correct that the first projections declaring Macron the winner occurred shortly after the last polling locations closed at 8 p.m.

    But the relative speed of that call, compared with the first projections of the midterm elections in the United States, can be attributed to the more straightforward election process in France.

    It was a single race compared with multiple local and state-level races on the ballots in the United States; was administered by a centralized authority, the

    Interior Ministry, rather than by local election officials under different rules and procedures; and occurred across a single time zone, rather than multiple ones, as in the United States.



    Moreover, he is wrong that the United States takes longer than “any” country to count votes. In recent presidential elections, Indonesia took more than a month to count the votes in 2019, Afghanistan five months to declare a winner after its September 2019 vote, and Bosnia weeks to declare a winner this fall.



    Trump also briefly defended his position as kingmaker: “I do want to point out that in the midterms, my endorsement success rate was 232 wins and only 22 losses.”

    Left unsaid: Many of those 200-or-so victories came in deeply conservative districts where Republicans were expected to easily win reelection. In 114 districts where the margin of victory was less than 15%, candidates endorsed by

    Trump underperformed their baseline by 5 percentage points, according to Philip Wallach, a fellow at the conservative American Enterprise Institute. An analysis from the Upshot showed a similar result.


    And Trump reminisced over past electoral successes, exaggerating again when he claimed to have “won every single area along the borders” in Texas. (In reality, he won seven out of 14 border counties in the state in 2020 and five in 2016.)



    “In 2020, I received the largest number of votes of any sitting president in history,” Trump recounted, ignoring that Biden had even more votes.

    © 2022 The New York Times Company

    now the federal agents DOJ Cangress n others are calling in the 14th amendment against trump

    No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.


    Oath of office of the president of the United States

    This clause is one of three oath or affirmation clauses in the Constitution, but it is the only one that actually specifies the words that must be spoken. Article I, Section 3 requires Senators, when sitting to try impeachments, to be "on Oath or Affirmation." Article VI, Clause 3, similarly requires the persons specified therein to "be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution." The presidential oath requires much more than that general oath of allegiance and fidelity.

    This clause enjoins the new president to swear or affirm that he or she "will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

    Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:—"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
    Fake News!
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    • OldBill
      SBR Hall of Famer
      • 11-02-21
      • 6416

      #3
      Fake News! unfortuatetly it's not fake news because this was all recorded live on camera by big lying mouth donald
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      • Bostongambler
        BARRELED IN @ SBR!
        • 02-01-08
        • 35581

        #4
        Oldmanbill could you copy and paste “ War & Peace for us? It would be a quicker read.


        Tyia
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        • OldBill
          SBR Hall of Famer
          • 11-02-21
          • 6416

          #5
          Originally posted by Bostongambler
          Oldmanbill could you copy and paste “ War & Peace for us? It would be a quicker read.


          Tyia
          lol sorry boston your right i could edit i but this what Donald actually said

          got more now about illageal activuties
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          • edawg
            SBR MVP
            • 07-09-11
            • 2820

            #6
            Originally posted by OldBill
            lol sorry boston your right i could edit i but this what Donald actually said

            got more now about illageal activuties
            Looks like it's time for your pudding cup and nap.
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            • DwightShrute
              SBR Aristocracy
              • 01-17-09
              • 103112

              #7
              Originally posted by OldBill
              Fake News! unfortuatetly it's not fake news because this was all recorded live on camera by big lying mouth donald


              You must be a hoot at your weekly Flat Earth Society meetings.
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              • mjsuax13
                Moderator
                • 03-14-15
                • 25085

                #8
                Old Bill, you should just write a book.

                “Thoughts from Old Bill”
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                • manny24
                  SBR Posting Legend
                  • 10-22-07
                  • 20046

                  #9
                  standing room only on the Trump Train OldBill welcome aboard
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                  • mjsuax13
                    Moderator
                    • 03-14-15
                    • 25085

                    #10
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                    • BrickJames
                      SBR Hall of Famer
                      • 05-05-11
                      • 9749

                      #11
                      But wait? Old Bill? I thought Trump couldn't run again? Am I missing something?
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                      • Optional
                        Administrator
                        • 06-10-10
                        • 61390

                        #12
                        Originally posted by manny24
                        standing room only on the Trump Train OldBill welcome aboard
                        What's the point when you can already see he is a 3 time loser and now even has half his own party wanting him to fugg off and let them get back to winning?

                        Only Democrats should be wanting him to run. De Santis would take an easy win in 24 unless Trump damages him.
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                        • DwightShrute
                          SBR Aristocracy
                          • 01-17-09
                          • 103112

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Optional
                          What's the point when you can already see he is a 3 time loser and now even has half his own party wanting him to fugg off and let them get back to winning?

                          Only Democrats should be wanting him to run. De Santis would take an easy win in 24 unless Trump damages him.
                          You are falling for the Liberal narrative again. Why do you suppose they keep making them up and repeating them?

                          Only democrats want him to run? Half his party? Do you even understand how deep the swamp is? Its not only filled with the incompetents democrats but republicans also and not only the ones that have been around for decades either. While the country dodged a few bullets recently with Beto and Abrams, there are plenty of new swamp creatures like AOC and Omar proving how incompetent politicians are. They are why Trump has such a following. He has a message people can relate to whereas so many just say and do the same things which gives politicians such a bad name.

                          If you keep doing things over and over expecting a different result then you know what that is.
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                          • Optional
                            Administrator
                            • 06-10-10
                            • 61390

                            #14
                            Originally posted by DwightShrute

                            You are falling for the Liberal narrative again. Why do you suppose they keep making them up and repeating them?

                            Only democrats want him to run? Half his party? Do you even understand how deep the swamp is? Its not only filled with the incompetents democrats but republicans also and not only the ones that have been around for decades either. While the country dodged a few bullets recently with Beto and Abrams, there are plenty of new swamp creatures like AOC and Omar proving how incompetent politicians are. They are why Trump has such a following. He has a message people can relate to whereas so many just say and do the same things which gives politicians such a bad name.

                            If you keep doing things over and over expecting a different result then you know what that is.
                            I agree that he appeals to a very large base. But I also think the anyone but Trump base is getting larger as time passes too. I don't think he will have the numbers to win. Whereas De Santis is happy to be mini-Trump and appeal to most of the same values and has very few rabid haters outside the hardcore left.
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                            • OldBill
                              SBR Hall of Famer
                              • 11-02-21
                              • 6416

                              #15
                              Originally posted by BrickJames
                              But wait? Old Bill? I thought Trump couldn't run again? Am I missing something?
                              ok u do not understand what trump is doing he says he is going to run in 2024 just to keep the dopes supporters sending him millions of dollars!

                              Meanwhile the dopes do not know the 14th amendment section 3 that says

                              this
                              Originally designed to prevent Confederates from serving in public office, it could prevent Trump from running again

                              The intent at the time was to influence the government in the South by barring Confederates from serving in public office after the Civil War.

                              "The idea was that office holders of the United States will not be people who were treasonous to the United States," Doron Kalir, a professor at Cleveland-Marshall College of Law, told Insider.

                              Here's the full text of Section 3 of the 14th Amendment:
                              "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.

                              Federal prosecutors are investigating Trump's role inciting the Capitol insurrection, which could, in theory, lead to his being convicted in a court of law.
                              Such a conviction could give Congress the authority to pass a law barring Trump from office on the premise that he had "engaged in insurrection or rebellion," as the 14th Amendment states.

                              and if not the 14th amendment all the stealing he did tax evasion lying about his properties values to secure millions of dollars in loans then flipping it to make it seem he lost millions to only pay $750 in taxes one year This is why leticia james won her case suing DJT for $250,000,000 250 million ....plus the ones who got attacked outside trump tower got paid Trump settled out of court instaed of going to trial because if went to trail he would have lost millions more

                              dayummm wish i could go protest and his security beats me up i'd be rich

                              plus now all the lawsuits for his illegal crimes lying to banks lying to irs and every thing will kill him because they said NO ONE is above the law


                              Trump Owes Deutsche Bank $340 Million As Company Cuts Ties

                              Jared Kushner And Trump Basically Stole $617 Million Of Trump Campaign Funds

                              There is an answer to how Trump managed to blow $1 billion in campaign funds. Jared Kushner created a shell company and paid the Trump family $617 million

                              The Trump campaign was a con, and all of those red hat wearing believers who donating money were lining Trump’s pockets.



                              The GAO reported in January 2019 that just 4 of President Trump's trips to Mar-a-Lago cost taxpayers more than $13 million, not including the salaries of government personnel traveling with him. President Trump has reportedly spent more than 220 days at Trump properties during his presidency – about 29% of his time as President.
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                              • OldBill
                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                • 11-02-21
                                • 6416

                                #16
                                the Secret Service paid $27,724 at the Trump golf course and resort in Doonbeg, Ireland in March 2017 to support Eric Trump's travel there for business.

                                • Taxpayers paid $100,000
                                • in hotels alone for a Trump brothers business trip in February 2017 for the development of Trump hotels in Uruguay. The government spends money on travel, hotels, and accommodations every time a member of the Trump family travels.
                                • USA Today estimated
                                • that from January – August 2017, the Secret Service spent $59,585 on golf cart rentals alone as part of the President's trips to his own golf clubs.
                                • Taxpayers paid over $120K
                                • every day while Melania lived in Trump Tower in 2017 before moving to the White House. During that same time, $676,635 was spent on Air Force One flights for her to and from the White House and Mar-a-Lago.
                                • The State Department spent $15,000



                                Before becoming president, Donald Trump took loans totaling more than $2 billion across nearly two decades from Deutsche Bank, The New York Times reports.

                                Donald Trump forced to pay back $122 million in donations after supporters were tricked into making recurring payments to his 2020 campaign

                                The victims included Stacy Blatt, a 63-year-old cancer patient earning $1000 a month who gave $500 and was later stung for more than $3000
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                                • DwightShrute
                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                  • 01-17-09
                                  • 103112

                                  #17
                                  Obama's Travel Cost Taxpayers More Than $96 Million
                                  https://freebeacon.com › issues › obamas-travel-cost-tax...
                                  3 Jan 2017 — President Obama took a vacation to Martha's Vineyard, spending $450,295 on flights. His trips to Cuba and Argentina cost taxpayers $7,146,015.18 ...

                                  Michelle Obama travel expense update: Your tax dollars at work
                                  https://www.investors.com › politics › columnists › mic...
                                  25 Mar 2015 — By one accounting, as of last July the Obamas had spent more than $44.4 million in taxpayer money on travel for 31 international trips lasting ...



                                  Michelle Obama's Spain vacation cost taxpayers nearly $470 ...
                                  https://www.foxnews.com › politics › michelle-obamas-sp...
                                  Dec 2015 — First lady Michelle Obama's 2010 trip to Spain cost taxpayers nearly $470,000, according to a conservative watchdog group that obtained ...


                                  Michelle Obama's Spanish vacation cost taxpayers $500000
                                  https://www.dailymail.co.uk › news › article-2135914
                                  27 Apr 2012 — Michelle Obama's $500,000 shopping trip: Huge taxpayer bill for First Lady's Spanish beach getaway revealed · New documents disclose $500,000 tab ...

                                  Records Reveal Michelle Obama's 2014 Trip to China Cost ...
                                  https://finance.yahoo.com › news › judicial-watch-recor...
                                  15 Jul 2015 — Judicial Watch: Records Reveal Michelle Obama's 2014 Trip to China Cost Taxpayers More Than $360,000 in Air Transportation Expenses Alone.

                                  Michelle's European Vacation - FactCheck.org
                                  https://www.factcheck.org › michelles-european-vacation
                                  28 Jul 2009 — But the Obamas paid for their own personal expenses – not U.S. taxpayers. Katie McCormick Lelyveld, Michelle Obama's press secretary, told ...



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                                  • OldBill
                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                    • 11-02-21
                                    • 6416

                                    #18
                                    the Secret Service paid $27,724 at the Trump golf course and resort in Doonbeg, Ireland in March 2017 to support Eric Trump's travel there for business.

                                    • Taxpayers paid $100,000
                                    • in hotels alone for a Trump brothers business trip in February 2017 for the development of Trump hotels in Uruguay. The government spends money on travel, hotels, and accommodations every time a member of the Trump family travels.
                                    • USA Today estimated
                                    • that from January – August 2017, the Secret Service spent $59,585 on golf cart rentals alone as part of the President's trips to his own golf clubs.
                                    • Taxpayers paid over $120K
                                    • every day while Melania lived in Trump Tower in 2017 before moving to the White House. During that same time, $676,635 was spent on Air Force One flights for her to and from the White House and Mar-a-Lago.
                                    • The State Department spent $15,000



                                    Before becoming president, Donald Trump took loans totaling more than $2 billion across nearly two decades from Deutsche Bank, The New York Times reports.

                                    Donald Trump forced to pay back $122 million in donations after supporters were tricked into making recurring payments to his 2020 campaign


                                    The victims included Stacy Blatt, a 63-year-old cancer patient earning $1000 a month who gave $500 and was later stung for more than $3000

                                    The Trump administration is panicking about the stock market crashing, so they announced on Thursday that they would be pumping $1.5 trillion into the banking system. They had hoped that this news would result in a stock rebound, and it did…for less than an hour. Now the government will be out $1.5 trillion with absolutely nothing to show for it. Ring of Fire’s Farron Cousins discusses this.
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                                    • OldBill
                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                      • 11-02-21
                                      • 6416

                                      #19
                                      and dwightshrute wtf has Obama got to do with trump's stealing lying inflating his properties values etc...

                                      Obama did not borrow money or have properties all over the world or was ever involved with russians every president has cost to travel every one no matter who it was so go back and dig up G W bush's ronald reagean Bill Clinton cost to travel
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                                      • manny24
                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                        • 10-22-07
                                        • 20046

                                        #20
                                        #3AMvotecountsmatter
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