Never underestimate the power of prayer.

TommieGunshot · 08-05-19, 04:24 PM

What happens when we overestimate its power? How can we make sure we are making the correct estimate of its power?

Bcatswin · 08-05-19, 04:26 PM

Amen

JIBBBY · 08-05-19, 04:27 PM

Believe is to achieve!! If there is a will there is a way!!

Combine power in prayer and absolute belief in faith and that faith will move mountains. It's gotta be for a good cause though and be on the same page with the man upstairs..

I'm a firm believer in this..

Shute · 08-05-19, 04:33 PM

Pray.
Self reflection.
It’s all we have

Shute · 08-05-19, 04:35 PM

Originally posted by Bcatswin

Amen

Meet me at Madtree to discuss

Sam Odom · 08-05-19, 04:36 PM

...Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed.

A Quant · 08-05-19, 04:39 PM

You'd think with you people praying for the victims of shootings---your god would knock that shit off.

I guess she hates you. Or praying is for meatballs.

Shute · 08-05-19, 04:40 PM

Thank you Quant
I am praying for you
God Bless

Sam Odom · 08-05-19, 04:41 PM

A Q

you dont understand the nature of God

Sammy will pray for you

Shute · 08-05-19, 04:41 PM

Quant please self reflect if you don’t believe in prayer

Roscoe_Word · 08-05-19, 04:44 PM

The physicists (at least many of them) believe the universe popped into existence out of nothing. At least out of quantum foam; or the quantum field.

They would dismiss prayer by saying "praying to whom?"

As we see from the recent mass shootings; if there's an intelligent designer (lotta evidence for that) he surely doesn't appear benevolent.

RudyRuetigger · 08-05-19, 04:46 PM

I've prayed for many parlays to hit

None worked

I'm giving god 1 last chance for this week only

CAPICHE?

Sam Odom · 08-05-19, 04:47 PM

Originally posted by Roscoe_Word

They would dismiss prayer by saying "praying to whom?"

A God who popped into existence out of nothing.

cincinnatikid513 · 08-05-19, 04:49 PM

i pray that you will buy me a 54 million dollar yet because that's what good christians do get rich off the poor

Shute · 08-05-19, 04:52 PM

Shute is currently praying for all

Sam Odom · 08-05-19, 04:53 PM

Originally posted by Shute

Shute is currently praying for all

Sammy needs it

Shute · 08-05-19, 05:01 PM

Originally posted by Sam Odom

Sammy needs it

Sammy

We all need it
It’s like water
Can’t live without it

Roscoe_Word · 08-05-19, 05:03 PM

Originally posted by Sam Odom

A God who popped into existence out of nothing.

The universe, Sam; not God.

Shute · 08-05-19, 05:08 PM

Even if there is no God or afterlife.....
Praying and self reflection can enable you to be a better person on earth. Isn’t that what it’s all about? Being content in your skin is much better than wanting to kill and letting monetary goals destroy your existence

Roscoe_Word · 08-05-19, 05:14 PM

Originally posted by Shute

Even if there is no God or afterlife.....
Praying and self reflection can enable you to be a better person on earth. Isn’t that what it’s all about? Being content in your skin is much better than wanting to kill and letting monetary goals destroy your existence

Yes indeed. Well said.

Sam Odom · 08-05-19, 05:19 PM

Originally posted by Roscoe_Word

The universe, Sam; not God.

Yeah... read that

but if agnostics want to believe that the whole universe came from nothing (just popped into being) - Believers should have the same latitude

A Quant · 08-05-19, 05:20 PM

Originally posted by Shute

Even if there is no God or afterlife.....
Praying and self reflection can enable you to be a better person on earth. Isn’t that what it’s all about? Being content in your skin is much better than wanting to kill and letting monetary goals destroy your existence

The catholics and protestants in Northern Ireland who killed people in the name of Jesus prayed a lot---- didn't make them better.

And the militant moooooslims? Yeah, they pray a lot too-- and they sure as hell are not better for it.

Shute · 08-05-19, 05:24 PM

Originally posted by A Quant

The catholics and protestants in Northern Ireland who killed people in the name of Jesus prayed a lot---- didn't make them better.

And the militant moooooslims? Yeah, they pray a lot too-- and they sure as hell are not better for it.

There’s no right or wrong answer Quant.
Just reflect on how you want to improve yourself. That’s all. Whether it be raining in your gambling, using more patience in everyday life, tithing, whatever it maybe.

Praying to a good and forgiving God while self reflection can only be a positive

A Quant · 08-05-19, 05:28 PM

Originally posted by Sam Odom

Yeah... read that

but if agnostics want to believe that the whole universe came from nothing (just popped into being) - Believers should have the same latitude

"just popped into being" is not exactly true---

Hawking's "No Boundary Hypothesis" explains it------ but if you need to believe there is a man or woman up in the clouds watching over you, so that it makes your life have meaning-- then have at it.

Knock yourself out.

Roscoe_Word · 08-05-19, 05:30 PM

Atheists disbelieve in a creator.

Believers believe in an intelligent designer. (or God) They (IMHO) have some very good arguments.

Agnostics simply don't know. Possibly the safest bet. Like passing on a game you don't have a feel for.

Pascal made some sense: If you believe, and it turns out to be true, your all set for eternity.

If you disbelieve, and it turns out your wrong, your screwed.

According to him, if you believe, you can only win or push.

A Quant · 08-05-19, 05:30 PM

Originally posted by Shute

There’s no right or wrong answer Quant.
Just reflect on how you want to improve yourself. That’s all. Whether it be raining in your gambling, using more patience in everyday life, tithing, whatever it maybe.

Praying to a good and forgiving God while self reflection can only be a positive

But here's what you are missing.

You don't need God, prayer, or reflection to be a decent human being.

Help others. Respect them. I don't need to reflect on that. It's common sense.

If you want to be a good person-- it is just a simple decision. You can "reflect" all you want, but if you are a selfish, narcissistic asshat--- you are still going to be a selfish, narcissistic asshole after 10 minutes of reflection.

Shute · 08-05-19, 05:32 PM

Originally posted by A Quant

But here's what you are missing.

You don't need God, prayer, or reflection to be a decent human being.

Help others. Respect them. I don't need to reflect on that. It's common sense.

If you want to be a good person-- it is just a simple decision. You can "reflect" all you want, but if you are a selfish, narcissistic asshat--- you are still going to be a selfish, narcissistic asshole after 10 minutes of reflection.

Great work here Quant.
Peace to you and your family.
Shute

Roscoe_Word · 08-05-19, 05:34 PM

Originally posted by A Quant

But here's what you are missing.

You don't need God, prayer, or reflection to be a decent human being.

Help others. Respect them. I don't need to reflect on that. It's common sense.

If you want to be a good person-- it is just a simple decision. You can "reflect" all you want, but if you are a selfish, narcissistic asshat--- you are still going to be a selfish, narcissistic asshole after 10 minutes of reflection.

Also well said.

fried cheese · 08-05-19, 05:34 PM

Originally posted by Shute

Even if there is no God or afterlife.....
Praying and self reflection can enable you to be a better person on earth. Isn’t that what it’s all about? Being content in your skin is much better than wanting to kill and letting monetary goals destroy your existence

well if god and heaven/hell exists then why is it wrong to murder ppl? you are just sending them to heaven or hell faster.

Originally posted by Sam Odom

Yeah... read that

but if agnostics want to believe that the whole universe came from nothing (just popped into being) - Believers should have the same latitude

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the problem believers have that agnostics dont is that agnostics have evidence that the universe exists.

Sam Odom · 08-05-19, 05:35 PM

Originally posted by A Quant

"just popped into being" is not exactly true---

Tracking backwards it has to be true... there was an absolute vacuum , better said as Nothingness , or there was something like a wave or wrinkle

If "something" then it begs the question: 'Where did it come from?'

.

A Quant · 08-05-19, 05:43 PM

Originally posted by Sam Odom

Tracking backwards it has to be true... there was an absolute vacuum , better said as Nothingness , or there was something like a wave or wrinkle

If "something" the it begs the question: 'Where did it come from?'

You are trying to find a beginning-- and it is hard to understand, so you simply say, "There HAS to be a God who started it all, because I can't comprehend how it started unless the man in the clouds made it so".

Not being a dick here-- but I'm curious, have you read Hawking's "Brief History of Time"? Just to get another view-- you should try it-- Hawking addresses "time" as we perceive it, and then explains the "No Boundary Proposal".

cincinnatikid513 · 08-05-19, 05:45 PM

Nitrogen · 08-05-19, 05:48 PM

Originally posted by A Quant

The catholics and protestants in Northern Ireland who killed people in the name of Jesus prayed a lot---- didn't make them better.

They didn't kill in the name of Jesus. Just another entho discrimination rebellion type war.

By your logic, Italians who fought against the allies in WW2 were fighting in the name of Jesus...and then when they switched sides in the conflict...also fought in the name of Jesus.

With that being said. Prayer is just another spiritual flowchart of silliness.

Pray for something.

If you get it, it's God's will rewarding you
If you don't, God works in mysterious ways and has other plans.

A surgeon once told me (after having lost his wife and daughter both to cancer in the span of 2 years)

"If someone has a 5% chance of surviving a year, they're going to pray. Even if they're an atheist, they'll probably pray. So if this person lives, there's a good chance they'll give credit to prayer. Even though the other 95% of people who died, also prayed. When someone gets a prayer answered, it's easier to thank God than it is to give thanks for happening to be in a small statistical probability group.."

Billions of people every day pray for clean water or that their kids won't starve or get malaria (or that they can just stay safe against marauding savages like Boko Haram). They must just be saying the wrong prayer.

Sam Odom · 08-05-19, 05:49 PM

Yes... have read "Brief History of Time" - which is outdated

Have read more updated theories and hypotheses

AQ , your faith is in mortal men's ideas -- Believers have faith also which is an gift

See... we both have faith