Ray Rice elevator video posted on TMZ

[USCPHILLYGUY]

Tried to include but am on my iPad & couldn't figure it out.

Strong left cross and that was it. Think one of her Tory Burch shoes are still on the elevator if anyone's in AC.

Now that was year suspension worthy.

[Kermit]

Looks like he may have spit in her face too. Classy.

[muldoon]

The video evidence clearly exonerates Ray Rice from any serious punishment.

I mean...it's obvious he's not smoking weed in that elevator.

[Bostongambler]

Why no prison time?

[teaserpleaser]

Why no prison time?

hes rich,famous,and shes not white... that should help clear up any questions you may have about why no prison time.

[Maniac]

I think she will need to miss a game or two due to a concussion.

[lagoonlife]

Can the NFL fine players for domestic issues ? I believe the NFL should put in a "not acting like human beings clause" or something for these types.

[letsgo]

Can the NFL fine players for domestic issues ? I believe the NFL should put in a "not acting like human beings clause" or something for these types.

Yeah, a fine will really show him!

[cloverfield]

This "evidence" is pointless. Do we really need to see the video to know what happened? It was already known he knocked her out. Did we think she magically fell in the elevator and that's why he was dragging her out?

He basically already copped to doing it. I can't believe this is causing a new uproar for a longer suspension. The Commish already knew he knocked her the fk out. The media is so funny.

[marcoloco]

video clearly shows it was her head hitting the elevator railing that knocked her unconscious. i smell a lawsuit

[muldoon]

This is the same league that thinks betting on games hurts the integrity of the sport.

[recon1]

I saw the alleged victim (Female) initiate the physical altercation at the entrance of establishment and in the elevator. Ray Rice used overwhelming force to stop her. He received a punishment (Deservedly so) Although i haven't heard if she too was arrested and charged with A&B. Police should have gone to hospital arrested her, read her Miranda rights and perhaps released her on own recognizance. Today Women like to go hands on and then cry they've been abused.
Only advice i can give to men is just walk away, this tactic has worked for me every time. I refuse to get in a heated yelling match with anyone, especially a women your in a relationship with.
If a girlfriend/fiancee ever hits you end that relationship right on the spot. If your married seek counseling.
Now, I've heard the Ravens have released R. Rice. Ravens buckled to pressure.

[Russian Rocket]

this mofo needs to do some jail time
he also needs to be suspended from NFL for a few year...not games

kids grow up, with this kind of a role model, thinking that it's OK to do things like this

[innovation]

is he right handed?

maybe he thought he went easy on her

[HERBJONES]

they cut him

[recon1]

this mofo needs to do some jail time
he also needs to be suspended from NFL for a few year...not games

kids grow up, with this kind of a role model, thinking that it's OK to do things like this

What about her?

[Russian Rocket]

What about her?

what about her? Did she pull a gun or a knife on him? Was his life ever in danger?

he's a 230 pound professionally trained gorilla...she's a 130 pound woman

see the difference?


he should be praying to God that she didn't end up dead when she hit her head against that rail

[recon1]

what about her? Did she pull a gun or a knife on him? Was his life ever in danger?

he's a 230 pound professionally trained gorilla...she's a 130 pound woman

see the difference?


he should be praying to God that she didn't end up dead when she hit her head against that rail

So, your saying assault and battery is ok? you think R. Rice should be punished for being the better fighter?
A true court of law is not to be swayed by public opinion, but FACTS.
He was punished and she initiated the physical altercation. You don't think she too deserves punishment based on the footage?

[Monitor-Tan]

you'd think he can lift her up and carry her..

[Russian Rocket]

you'd think he can lift her up and carry her..

[Russian Rocket]

So, your saying assault and battery is ok? you think R. Rice should be punished for being the better fighter?
A true court of law is not to be swayed by public opinion, but FACTS.
He was punished and she initiated the physical altercation. You don't think she too deserves punishment based on the footage?

a better fighter? c'mon now recon
there are many ways that you can use to stop a woman from hitting you...especially when you're a professional athlete and almost 3 times her size.

there is a reason why professionally trained fighters almost always try to avoid an altercation on the streets - simply because they can easily kill someone.
Rice is not a fighter, but he's way too physically developed to throw bombs at regular people...especially at women

[magyarsvensk]

So, your saying assault and battery is ok? you think R. Rice should be punished for being the better fighter?
A true court of law is not to be swayed by public opinion, but FACTS.
He was punished and she initiated the physical altercation. You don't think she too deserves punishment based on the footage?

Based on the footage I saw, she didn't assault him at all. She was perhaps trying to, but before she could get close to him, he clocked her full strength full contact. I doubt she had any intent to hurt him. She wasn't throwing bricks at his head like Jason Kidd's wife. And he was man enough to walk away from it.

It just baffles me that no matter how strong and physically accomplished a guy is, the Napoleon complex can strike at any time.

[tony_come]

I see nothing wrong in the video. Ray nice punch kid!

[Kermit]

I saw the alleged victim (Female) initiate the physical altercation at the entrance of establishment and in the elevator. Ray Rice used overwhelming force to stop her. He received a punishment (Deservedly so) Although i haven't heard if she too was arrested and charged with A&B. Police should have gone to hospital arrested her, read her Miranda rights and perhaps released her on own recognizance. Today Women like to go hands on and then cry they've been abused.
Only advice i can give to men is just walk away, this tactic has worked for me every time. I refuse to get in a heated yelling match with anyone, especially a women your in a relationship with.
If a girlfriend/fiancee ever hits you end that relationship right on the spot. If your married seek counseling.
Now, I've heard the Ravens have released R. Rice. Ravens buckled to pressure.

In your opinion, at what point(s) on the video did she initiate this assault and battery? I am not really seeing it.

[recon1]

a better fighter? c'mon now recon
there are many ways that you can use to stop a woman from hitting you...especially when you're a professional athlete and almost 3 times her size.

there is a reason why professionally trained fighters almost always try to avoid an altercation on the streets - simply because they can easily kill someone.
Rice is not a fighter, but he's way too physically developed to throw bombs at regular people...especially at women

See this is where people may misconstrue what I'm saying. The law took care of Rice, and she apparently from security footage initiated the physical altercation of this event. She smacked him first in the lobby, it's alleged he spit on her, this is tough to prove. Then, once in elevator it looks like he spits on her again, once again spit leaves no mark and is tough to prove. She initiates Rice again with a slap which is assault and battery however her being a women or whatever is still assault and battery. I do not agree with the ensuing beat-down she suffered, just saying this is an obvious 2 way street.
She should have never got into elevator or slapped him in the lobby. Should have left him on spot, it's really easy to do i've walked away from dozens of these events from some aggressive women and for one reason or another been referee of this BS. Some reason in the public courts it's acceptable for a Women to assault a man and the man is a "Women beater" when he does same.
In the mid 90's i had a conversation with an old time cop (He was a rookie when JFK was assassinated) during this time the OJ thing was big and i asked him why he thought domestic violence was off charts?, He said (and i think he nailed it) was he's witnessed through the yearsmWomen becoming much more aggressive.
Reminds me of another story a former friend who was a cop told me. He said he once worked a homicide domestic. A man and women co-owned a hotel in Florida. The A/C brakes in middle of Summer. The Wife wanted to pay for emergency A/C repair and the man wanted to wait save $ and make an appointment. The CCTV caught it all on tape. The Husband is sitting at the from desk and she is yelling at him from behind, he ignores her yells and threats and she picked up an old time fan that was all medal including the blades and missing the front safety cover throws it in back of his head. He falls forward and apparently knocked out she standing over him yelling, he regains consciousness and strangles her to death. He received 27 stitches and a Manslaughter charge and is sitting in Starke, Fl. i assume. Two priors of domestic were on file for these two love birds and in each instance she told cops she did hit him, but he always went two fold on her. State in those instances dropped both her charges and upheld his.
Bottom-line: As I've instructed my young adult Daughter, simply walk away and this lovely young lady R. Rice nearly killed should have walked. All I'm saying is keep your hands to yourself act like a Lady or Gentleman.

[recon1]

Lobby and inside elevator, Kermit

[recon1]

Based on the footage I saw, she didn't assault him at all. She was perhaps trying to, but before she could get close to him, he clocked her full strength full contact. I doubt she had any intent to hurt him. She wasn't throwing bricks at his head like Jason Kidd's wife. And he was man enough to walk away from it.

It just baffles me that no matter how strong and physically accomplished a guy is, the Napoleon complex can strike at any time.

She did assault. look at lobby footage. definetely as you say "Napoleon complex"

[ACoochy]

She went for him.

That was clearly self defense.

Bitches need to step down and underetand why guys have on average 700% more testosterone...

[PaperTrail07]

For real man lol totally agree.....then drug her around like a cave man w her ass out classy....

This "evidence" is pointless. Do we really need to see the video to know what happened? It was already known he knocked her out. Did we think she magically fell in the elevator and that's why he was dragging her out?

He basically already copped to doing it. I can't believe this is causing a new uproar for a longer suspension. The Commish already knew he knocked her the fk out. The media is so funny.

[CarpeDime]

are you seeing the punch? looks like a phantom punch to me. did she take a dive here?

I watched a few times, not seeing it, unless its so fast its not clear on the tape. Are you guys seeing the actual punch?

[Russian Rocket]

Culture of blaming the victim is root cause of failure for NFL, Ravens in Ray Rice case

Whenever there's an allegation of domestic abuse, defenders of the accused bring up due process. In light of Ray Rice being cut by the Baltimore Ravens on Monday, hours after TMZ published a video of the running back assaulting his wife in an elevator, consider the completely undue process Janay Palmer has endured over the past several months. Consider how much hurt and humiliation it took for this sorry semblance of a resolution to be reached:

Palmer was victimized by her then fiancé punching her in the face.
She was immediately victimized again, by Rice failing to comfort or console her or even cover up her exposed legs as she lay unconscious in an opened elevator. Rice, who crouches for a living, didn't even bend over to look at her.




She was victimized by the Ravens rushing not to assist her, a member of their football family who had been assaulted, but to their star player. Palmer's assault was termed a "distraction."
She was victimized by being forced to sit up in front of the media and apologize for her role in being punched in the face.
She was victimized by Rice's lawyer's disgusting "complete hypothetical," wherein it was suggested that it was she who instigated and Rice who defended himself.
She was victimized by the justice system, which somehow didn't pursue full charges against Rice.
She was victimized by the NFL's justice system, which somehow didn't see enough evidence to suspend Rice for more than two games. Now the league is being loudly questioned over why it hadn't seen the tape before issuing punishment. If Major League Baseball was able to get evidence during the Biogenesis scandal, why couldn't the NFL get a tape from a hotel?
She was victimized by Ravens fans, who cheered Rice upon his return to the field, where he was asked on TV what "encouraging words" his wife had for him before getting this ovation.



And there would be one more victimization: the footage of the punch. Palmer was assaulted again Monday morning, in a brutal invasion of her privacy. And it was that final intrusion that woke up a world that had slumbered through her ordeal. This undue process happened because it was comforting to think there were two sides to this story. Many people didn't really want to see that video. They wanted to believe Rice was attacked by Palmer and did something to warrant being punched in the face. From the moment part of the video became public over the summer until Monday morning, it was easy to put some blame on Janay Palmer.
The woman always gets the burden of proof and the burden of pain. The woman is always cast as the gold digger, the mentally imbalanced stalker, the inappropriate dresser. The woman is always the provocateur.
If Palmer didn't have her privacy invaded – if Rice's punch happened in their non-videotaped home – he would still be a hero and she would still be the hero's suffering wife.
How do we know this? Well, look at Floyd Mayweather. He's been convicted of domestic violence (and recently accused again of troubling behavior) and there will be plenty of cheers for him this weekend. There were plenty of cheers for San Francisco 49ers defensive lineman Ray McDonald when he played against the Dallas Cowboys on Sunday despite being arrested for allegedly abusing his pregnant girlfriend. And there were plenty of cheers on Sunday for Carolina Panthers defensive tackle Greg Hardy, who was convicted this summer for assaulting his girlfriend.
The details of the Hardy case are arguably more appalling than that of the Rice incident. Hardy's girlfriend, Nicole Holder, testified that Hardy "looked me in my eyes and he told me he was going to kill me. I was so scared I wanted to die. When he loosened his grip slightly, I said, 'Just do it. Kill me.'"
That came after the testimony of Hardy throwing Holder into a bathtub, tossing her onto a futon covered with rifles, slamming a toilet seat cover onto her arm, dragging her by her hair, and putting his hands around her throat.
Hardy is 6-foot-4, 275 pounds.
His defense attorney, per the Charlotte Observer, "described Holder as an erratic young woman desperate to be back at Hardy's side and in the limelight that commands. He said she was high on hours of drinking and buzzing on cocaine when she flew into a jealous rage after Hardy told her to leave the apartment."
Can you really blame the lawyer for casting a woman in this light? After all, it works.


Hardy was convicted by a judge, exercised his right to a jury trial, and then was further protected by the Panthers, who restricted questions from media about the case. He played in the season opener against Tampa Bay, a day before Rice was suspended.
Place the blame on any institution here: the Panthers or Ravens, the NFL, the legal system, or the media. But this isn't an institutional failure. It's a societal failure. We don't believe women. We think they're wrong and we have to be convinced they are right. It took weeks of humiliation and a videotape before Janay Palmer got some justice, and it isn't much justice.
According to a 2013 story in The New Yorker, "One in every four women is a victim of domestic physical violence at some point in her life, and the Justice Department estimates that three women and one man are killed by their partners every day. [Roughly eighty-five per cent of the victims of domestic violence are women.] Between 2000 and 2006, thirty-two hundred American soldiers were killed; during that period, domestic homicide in the United States claimed ten thousand six hundred lives."
Yet the victimization continues because the burden of proof continues to be misplaced. Why didn't Janay Palmer simply dump Ray Rice? If he was that bad, she wouldn't have married him.
But that's even more victimization – another part of what The New Yorker describes as "a deep cultural misunderstanding of how violence operates. We assume that victims incite abuse, or that if the situation at home was truly threatening they would leave."
Here again, it's on the victim. It's the woman who should take action. It's the woman who needs to solve her own problem.
Janay Palmer was helpless in that elevator, helpless as she lay unconscious, helpless when placed in front of the nation's media, helpless to prevent the onslaught of judgment, and helpless to keep the world from viewing her assault. She is only one of millions of women who are helpless.
Their undue process goes on and on.

[ACoochy]

Rocket she went for him.

Yeah he fukked up but not because he acted in self defense. He fukked up for hanging with a psycho who couldnt resolve her differences in a non physical manner.

Those are the 'no-go' zone chicks on the hot crazy matrix.

Someone clearly hadn't informed Rice of said matrix

[Kermit]

TMZ did something that the Multi-Billion dollar NFL could not?

Yeah right.

[Kermit]

Rocket she went for him.

Yeah he fukked up but not because he acted in self defense. He fukked up for hanging with a psycho who couldnt resolve her differences in a non physical manner.

Those are the 'no-go' zone chicks on the hot crazy matrix.

Someone clearly hadn't informed Rice of said matrix

She never went for him. He initiated everything in the elevator when he spit on her and then slapped her. There was obviously some sort of dispute between them, but to say she attacked him is silly. So if you are a woman are you supposed to just let someone spit on you and slap you around? C'mon man.

[ACoochy]

She never went for him. He initiated everything in the elevator when he spit on her and then slapped her. There was obviously some sort of dispute between them, but to say she attacked him is silly. So if you are a woman are you supposed to just let someone spit on you and slap you around? C'mon man.

No, what ur supposed to do is have the common sense to not associate with people who spit on you to begin with.And I saw no gun to her head forcing her to get into elevator to begin with...

Commonfukkinsense pal...Nothing incitful here.