GOD

[Ghenghis Kahn]

If humans are composed of energy and energy can neither be created nor destroyed, that means we just change in form.

Does that mean God exists? Maybe God is just one big ball of energy and we become part of that until we change in form again.

Who the hell knows, only one way to find out

[bonzaii]

That's all good and all but what makes you think your religion is the right one?

It was a complete fluke you were born where you were and into your family. Let's just say as a scenario you were born into a Muslim faith in the middle east.

Are you telling me that you honestly think you would convert to christianity? And if you don't and you were born into different beliefs, are you deserving to go to hell?

I really don't see how there is a God. I just don't, this is a random event that brought everyone here, and when you die you are gone forever. Nothing anyone does in this world matter besides the memory of you years down the road (which will be forgotten soon enough).

John 17:3

And this is eternal life, that they know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.



All these were created by God Unrivaled. There is only true God and that is the God of the Bible. He was the God of Israel and the Jewish people until his son Jesus Christ came down from Heaven and helped the lost sheep of Israel see the light and through him they spread the word of God to the non Jewish people(gentiles). He died on the cross to forgive people of their sins. Not just Jewish people or Christians but to everyone.

Muslims around the world along with Hindus and Buddhists have come to know Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. I don't have the answers to why there are other religions and why people are born believing in a certain religion versus another. I don't think someone that has never had the chance to believe in Jesus Christ is deserving to go to hell but everyone knows right from wrong regardless of their religion and to not be sinful.

How can this all be a random event? Everything you see has a builder. Without a builder there wouldn't be anything. Even though you didn't see the world being created with your own eyes doesn't mean that God doesn't exist.

[cincinnatikid513]

u called

[Sanity Check]

Seeing all this activity.

Makes me wonder if I should make more of an effort to publish a theory I had from 2005 for how math and science prove God exists.

[blankoblanco]

Hmm, asked this question 2 days ago that may require religious people to confront certain contradictions in their beliefs, not one person answered. I'll try one more time:

Do you believe in a God who performs miracles, who can grant people favors when they pray, who rescues/helps some in their lives but ignores or condemns other? Or do you believe that life is entirely cause and effect, and that God has nothing to do with anything that happens on earth past the point of creation? Or something in between, if there is something in between.

This is what I'm curious about, because it seems most religious people like to thank God for granting them their accomplishments (athletes notoriously). Which automatically implies that he's affecting our lives, deciding when we win or lose, and sort of interfering with our "free will"

I welcome answers to this from any of the religious people in this thread, I find it very interesting

edit: for additional context, this was partly in response to someone saying God isn't the cause of horrible things that happen to innocent people because we all have free will. Yet religious people give God credit for good things that happen. That fundamentally doesn't make sense to me

[Sanity Check]

Do you believe in a God who performs miracles, who can grant people favors when they pray, who rescues/helps some in their lives but ignores or condemns other? Or do you believe that life is entirely cause and effect, and that God has nothing to do with anything that happens on earth past the point of creation? Or something in between, if there is something in between.

This is what I'm curious about, because it seems most religious people like to thank God for granting them their accomplishments (athletes notoriously). Which automatically implies that he's affecting our lives, deciding when we win or lose, and sort of interfering with our "free will"

I welcome answers to this from any of the religious people in this thread, I find it very interesting

Its a spinoff of PoE. The problem of evil.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_evil

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I'll contend a benevolent God is obligated to do everything in their power to deter evil. This obligation is defined by the old testament as a record of God punishing man up to the 7th generation for sins, in an effort to eliminate evil from the world.

(Its not a question of whether an omniscient God would know this effort would fail. It would still need to be attempted, the record would still need to be visible for all to see.)

Moral relativism isn't something I agree with. The concept of man lacking sufficient information to gauge objective morality as far as God or deities or concerned however is legit. The observation of God helping some while ignoring others isn't accurate. This is a judgement people lack info to make.

If God is benevolent, he helps everyone. Everything balances out somehow. Even if we aren't aware of it happening. The only way to prove otherwise is to prove God to be immoral.

[bonzaii]

Hmm, asked this question 2 days ago that may require religious people to confront certain contradictions in their beliefs, not one person answered. I'll try one more time:



edit: for additional context, this was partly in response to someone saying God isn't the cause of horrible things that happen to innocent people because we all have free will. Yet religious people give God credit for good things that happen. That fundamentally doesn't make sense to me

Yes God performs miracles and yes pray and reading the bible does work. Nobody is condemn by God if they believe in Jesus Christ but if you don't you already have been condemned. If you believe in Jesus God will help you along the way.


John 3:18


Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

Romans 8:1

There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

[hehfest]

Yes God performs miracles and yes pray and reading the bible does work. Nobody is condemn by God if they believe in Jesus Christ but if you don't you already have been condemned. If you believe in Jesus God will help you along the way.


John 3:18


Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

Romans 8:1

There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

EDIT: This had nothing to do with replying to you Bonzaii. Clicked wrong button. It is just a hilarious message to gov trolls also known as controlled opposition.

Omg....I'm a health guru. I've been on TV before. Those homosexuals running around SF naked with little kids through the city. The homosexuals are going to take over the world and kill everyone. OMG! OMG! OMG! Austin, whaddaya think? (other than nothing?) Let's build our family health empire. Now, they're saying their asexual Dr. Tenpenny (ha ha, this doesn't sound like a fake gov name does it? Tenpenny?). Now, their demi-sexual Cuomo's daughter. OMG. What are we gonna do? OH NO! Austin whaddaya think? Whaddaya think? Daddy, you're right every single time. You can never be wrong Daddy. I would never disagree with you on or off the air Daddy.

[Unrivaled]

John 17:3

And this is eternal life, that they know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.



All these were created by God Unrivaled. There is only true God and that is the God of the Bible. He was the God of Israel and the Jewish people until his son Jesus Christ came down from Heaven and helped the lost sheep of Israel see the light and through him they spread the word of God to the non Jewish people(gentiles). He died on the cross to forgive people of their sins. Not just Jewish people or Christians but to everyone.

Muslims around the world along with Hindus and Buddhists have come to know Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. I don't have the answers to why there are other religions and why people are born believing in a certain religion versus another. I don't think someone that has never had the chance to believe in Jesus Christ is deserving to go to hell but everyone knows right from wrong regardless of their religion and to not be sinful.

How can this all be a random event? Everything you see has a builder. Without a builder there wouldn't be anything. Even though you didn't see the world being created with your own eyes doesn't mean that God doesn't exist.

If I ever meet this piece of shit called God I would punch him in the jaw.

If there is truly a God he is an evil and awful person.

There is no heaven, hell or God in my opinion. I respect peoples opinions though. I wish I could believe but I just can't. Went to church as a kid and in my opinion you are all being lied to.

[Sanity Check]

The Atheist Menace: Worse Than Rapists, a New Study Shows



A revealing new study at the University of British Columbia and the University of Oregon provides some startling clues. Attempting to understand why people need religion, psychologists asked 350 American adults and 420 Canadian to answer a simple question: If a fictional driver damaged a parked car and left the scene, then found a wallet and took the money, was the driver more likely to be a teacher, an atheist teacher or a rapist teacher?

Weirdly enough, participants in the study (who were from religious and nonreligious backgrounds) most often chose the atheist teacher. Indeed, atheists are among society’s most distrusted groups, “comparable even to rapists in certain circumstances,” in participants’ minds.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/why-we-hate-atheists-fear_b_1157939

Ever notice how atheists lie and claim to be agnostic.

Or they lie and claim to be buddhist, christian or muslim.

Anything except what they really are.

[blankoblanco]

The Atheist Menace: Worse Than Rapists, a New Study Shows



A revealing new study at the University of British Columbia and the University of Oregon provides some startling clues. Attempting to understand why people need religion, psychologists asked 350 American adults and 420 Canadian to answer a simple question: If a fictional driver damaged a parked car and left the scene, then found a wallet and took the money, was the driver more likely to be a teacher, an atheist teacher or a rapist teacher?

Weirdly enough, participants in the study (who were from religious and nonreligious backgrounds) most often chose the atheist teacher. Indeed, atheists are among society’s most distrusted groups, “comparable even to rapists in certain circumstances,” in participants’ minds.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/why-we-hate-atheists-fear_b_1157939

Ever notice how atheists lie and claim to be agnostic.

Or they lie and claim to be buddhist, christian or muslim.

Anything except what they really are.

I guess you didn't read deeper into the article you're quoting beyond the headline and first paragraph.

"If believers took a moment to consider this argument’s absurdity, they might also consider that fear fosters nothing but more fear, and that we really don’t need God to be good despite centuries of churchly propaganda dedicated to pitting man against his own character. We don’t need cosmic fear to be good neighbors either, any more than a well-adjusted horses need a bullwhip hanging over their heads to graze well with others."

That's from your link, you actual clown and illiterate dipshit. Yeah, reading is hard work. I did it for you, you're welcome.

Not to mention, you were trying to make a point from something from 2012. Not a "new study." How relevant. I hope one day you'll learn to both read and reason, you imbecile

[blankoblanco]

I mean, how dumb are you to post a link that totally counters your own argument, because you're too lazy to read or understand it? Pretty laughable and embarrassing. I'm embarrassed for you. I think it would personally undermine my own credibility to waste more effort to argue with you. You've proven you're a clown to be laughed at

[bonzaii]

If I ever meet this piece of shit called God I would punch him in the jaw.

If there is truly a God he is an evil and awful person.

There is no heaven, hell or God in my opinion. I respect peoples opinions though. I wish I could believe but I just can't. Went to church as a kid and in my opinion you are all being lied to.

Revelation 1:7

Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him, and all tribes of the earth will wail on account of him. Even so. Amen.

[Sanity Check]

I guess you didn't read deeper into the article you're quoting beyond the headline and first paragraph.

"If believers took a moment to consider this argument’s absurdity, they might also consider that fear fosters nothing but more fear, and that we really don’t need God to be good despite centuries of churchly propaganda

Article: "If believers took a moment to consider the absurdity of facts presented by this study."

Article: "They might also consider that feelings are more important than facts or science."


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No, shit.


The only reason I know about this is, I read about it in 2012 when it was first published.

I read. That's how I know things.

Why would you ever want to argue with me.

Unless you actually read and know more than I do -- its a losing proposition.

[bonzaii]

[bonzaii]

Grave warning for all who don't believe in God. You are all being deceived by Satan which God is allowing because you are unrighteous and choose to not obey his commandments.

2 Thessalonians 2:9-12

The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

[blankoblanco]

Article: "If believers took a moment to consider the absurdity of facts presented by this study."

Article: "They might also consider that feelings are more important than facts or science."


...


No, shit.


The only reason I know about this is, I read about it in 2012 when it was first published.

I read. That's how I know things.

Why would you ever want to argue with me.

Unless you actually read and know more than I do -- its a losing proposition.

I know for a fact that I know more than you do, because you're saying laughably dumb and incorrect things all over this forum. You could very well read more than me; you just clearly have no comprehension of what you're reading whenever it's from a trustworthy source

You've gone to great lengths to prove yourself an idiot. I really don't need to counter. It's all out there.

[blankoblanco]

Article: "If believers took a moment to consider the absurdity of facts presented by this study."

Article: "They might also consider that feelings are more important than facts or science."


...


No, shit.


The only reason I know about this is, I read about it in 2012 when it was first published.

I read. That's how I know things.

Why would you ever want to argue with me.

Unless you actually read and know more than I do -- its a losing proposition.

Btw, you didn't understand the article at all. You still don't. I mean, to a legitimately embarrassing extent. Scroll up and try again.

You're actually an unintelligent person, and you broadcast it for everyone to see. Oof

[Sanity Check]

Btw, you didn't understand the article at all. You still don't. I mean, to a legitimately embarrassing extent. Scroll up and try again.

You're actually an unintelligent person, and you broadcast it for everyone to see. Oof

History says socialism/communism always fails to deliver on its promises.

Democrats say it was a fluke, forget the facts, history and science. Their emotions say socialism/communism will work this time.

That article says the same. Forget what the facts say, feelings are what is important.


Its a parody piece.

[Sanity Check]

You've gone to great lengths to prove yourself an idiot. I really don't need to counter. It's all out there.

You're only repeating.

The "facts and science are irrelevant". My "feelings and mood swings" are all that matter.

Thing that I've come to expect from atheists.

[bonzaii]

The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.

1 Corinthians 2:14

[bonzaii]

No one is good except God alone. (Mark 10:18)

[flyingillini]

Love everything and everyone- Ghandi

[bonzaii]

Love everything and everyone- Ghandi

Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. (1 John 2:15)

[jjgold]

[Snowball]

Hmm, asked this question 2 days ago that may require religious people to confront certain contradictions in their beliefs, not one person answered. I'll try one more time:



edit: for additional context, this was partly in response to someone saying God isn't the cause of horrible things that happen to innocent people because we all have free will. Yet religious people give God credit for good things that happen. That fundamentally doesn't make sense to me

Oh Man. I'm not on my A-Game today, but I will give it a shot. ok..

you asked, "God isn't the cause of horrible things that happen to innocent people because we all have free will."

We don't only - merely - see that mankind causes evil. Evil exists apart from us participating in it. Evil was present before we participated in it.
It was embodied in the fallen angel before the time of our unique creation. God gave us the free will to accept His Grace into us, and reject evil on a personal basis.. that doesn't remove all evil from the world, which won't happen until all prophecy of this age is fulfilled. Prophecy proceeds according to the Will of God alone.. we cannot judge His Mercy or patience, but we were given things to watch out for. Although it has never been tested, that if ALL MEN through the Grace of God chose ONLY to do good, how much would this world change? What would be the result, might it be more than we imagine? We'll never know, because the evil is more powerful than the free will of men. It deceived the first woman, and man, and because of that deed to partake of the Forbidden Knowledge, having been lied to by the fallen one, this world fell unto a sudden and most profound alteration - death. Not only death, but pain, hardship, deceit, calamities, flesh eating flesh (including animals), and so on. The animals did not eat each other before our ancestors sinned. We named them all and had Dominion over them. So, it really is due to the KNOWLEDGE (real, personal experience, not abstract knowledge in the modern sense, just like "to know" meant to have intercourse with, to KNOW EVIL is to be permeated by it in our very beings) - the whole world turned into thorns and thistles and traps and tumults, but the triumph was already in the mind of the loving Father who created us. How he could offer us salvation from this state.
No evil may coexist with God... this is why God is not going to step forward in a UFO or do obvious miracles for the WHOLE WORLD to see, that is going to be the deciever -- because you - or I - or anyone - cannot be saved except by exercising the free will. If the 'flying spaghetti monster' showed the world it was God, the world would believe, it would HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE -- because it would be apparently so.. on the world's terms - with the worldly senses. What the atheists WANT -- but they wouldn't be SAVED yet DAMNED. Damned because the True God cannot co-exist with evil. Meaning all the evil burns away forever -- it is cast away. So, all the atheists would go straight to hell. But God loves them so he does not do this yet. Not until the end of time, because even TIME as we understand it is CONNECTED at the hip to the laws of decay and physical realities existing in the split dual nature of THIS WORLD... two of everything... have you noticed? Two of EVERYTHING.
Cleaved. Rent Asunder. By our participation in the sin of the fallen one, to choose WHAT IS evil and WHAT IS good, on our own terms, to our own desires, and to be LIKE GOD in that respect, without the divine wisdom. Fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. Do not fear the death of the body.. or the bodies of others, God created them. We cannot judge on His level. We couldn't even judge not to listen to Eve, who was deceived by the fallen one. That's because we didn't do what God said. And so began the long decline of this planet, our lifespans, the rabid evil of the antediluvian world, and the forgetfullness that leaves us with questions - questions that cannot be answered, but for the Word of God...the Logos.

[bonzaii]

A fool hath no delight in understanding, but that his heart may discover itself. (Proverbs 18:2)

[bonzaii]

And blessed is the one who is not offended by me. (Matthew 11:6)

[Bostongambler]

Live and let live.

John Lennon

[bonzaii]

If anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come. (2 Corinthians 5:17)

[bonzaii]

[cincinnatikid513]

sup

[Sanity Check]

If healthy and stable people were created in God's image.

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In whose likeness were democrats fashioned in??

[rkelly110]

Oh Man. I'm not on my A-Game today, but I will give it a shot. ok..

you asked, "God isn't the cause of horrible things that happen to innocent people because we all have free will."

We don't only - merely - see that mankind causes evil. Evil exists apart from us participating in it. Evil was present before we participated in it.
It was embodied in the fallen angel before the time of our unique creation. God gave us the free will to accept His Grace into us, and reject evil on a personal basis.. that doesn't remove all evil from the world, which won't happen until all prophecy of this age is fulfilled. Prophecy proceeds according to the Will of God alone.. we cannot judge His Mercy or patience, but we were given things to watch out for. Although it has never been tested, that if ALL MEN through the Grace of God chose ONLY to do good, how much would this world change? What would be the result, might it be more than we imagine? We'll never know, because the evil is more powerful than the free will of men. It deceived the first woman, and man, and because of that deed to partake of the Forbidden Knowledge, having been lied to by the fallen one, this world fell unto a sudden and most profound alteration - death. Not only death, but pain, hardship, deceit, calamities, flesh eating flesh (including animals), and so on. The animals did not eat each other before our ancestors sinned. We named them all and had Dominion over them. So, it really is due to the KNOWLEDGE (real, personal experience, not abstract knowledge in the modern sense, just like "to know" meant to have intercourse with, to KNOW EVIL is to be permeated by it in our very beings) - the whole world turned into thorns and thistles and traps and tumults, but the triumph was already in the mind of the loving Father who created us. How he could offer us salvation from this state.
No evil may coexist with God... this is why God is not going to step forward in a UFO or do obvious miracles for the WHOLE WORLD to see, that is going to be the deciever -- because you - or I - or anyone - cannot be saved except by exercising the free will. If the 'flying spaghetti monster' showed the world it was God, the world would believe, it would HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE -- because it would be apparently so.. on the world's terms - with the worldly senses. What the atheists WANT -- but they wouldn't be SAVED yet DAMNED. Damned because the True God cannot co-exist with evil. Meaning all the evil burns away forever -- it is cast away. So, all the atheists would go straight to hell. But God loves them so he does not do this yet. Not until the end of time, because even TIME as we understand it is CONNECTED at the hip to the laws of decay and physical realities existing in the split dual nature of THIS WORLD... two of everything... have you noticed? Two of EVERYTHING.
Cleaved. Rent Asunder. By our participation in the sin of the fallen one, to choose WHAT IS evil and WHAT IS good, on our own terms, to our own desires, and to be LIKE GOD in that respect, without the divine wisdom. Fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. Do not fear the death of the body.. or the bodies of others, God created them. We cannot judge on His level. We couldn't even judge not to listen to Eve, who was deceived by the fallen one. That's because we didn't do what God said. And so began the long decline of this planet, our lifespans, the rabid evil of the antediluvian world, and the forgetfullness that leaves us with questions - questions that cannot be answered, but for the Word of God...the Logos.

Becareful, you might be called an idiot. Speaking of idiots, have you people done your research, visually? There are tons of NDE's on youtube. First hand accounts from their own mouths of what the other side looks like. I challenge anyone to go look for themselves.

[BOA12]

I guess you didn't read deeper into the article you're quoting beyond the headline and first paragraph.

"If believers took a moment to consider this argument’s absurdity, they might also consider that fear fosters nothing but more fear, and that we really don’t need God to be good despite centuries of churchly propaganda dedicated to pitting man against his own character. We don’t need cosmic fear to be good neighbors either, any more than a well-adjusted horses need a bullwhip hanging over their heads to graze well with others."

That's from your link, you actual clown and illiterate dipshit. Yeah, reading is hard work. I did it for you, you're welcome.

Not to mention, you were trying to make a point from something from 2012. Not a "new study." How relevant. I hope one day you'll learn to both read and reason, you imbecile

SBR Hannity/ Sanity. An actual clown and illiterate dipshit. And imbecile. Thought it was only me.