GOD

[brainfreeze]

I showed where you contradicted yourself SEVERAL times. You then tried to deny your initial words meant exactly what they said. That is lying. You do have a mental illness, so that is not bashing you. You told me point blank you don't read or care what anyone else says because you know the real truth. That is being an uneducated asshole.

Thanks for forgiving me for telling the truth. You are a peach.

please show me...

and im not God.. I don't have complete understanding of everything. I know what I've told you is true. The Bible is something that goes beyond description. I can't lable it the story of God because it's also the story of love, peace, knowledge, wisdom, understanding, law, sin, faith, trust, and Spirit. It's also the story of man.. it's a lot rapped up in what seems like a lot of Words, really is the perfect amount.

So please list these contradictions if you can.. and please no more OT and NT law stuff because you guys just don't understand it.

[maggiethebestdog]

please show me...

and im not God.. I don't have complete understanding of everything. I know what I've told you is true. The Bible is something that goes beyond description. I can't lable it the story of God because it's also the story of love, peace, knowledge, wisdom, understanding, law, sin, faith, trust, and Spirit. It's also the story of man.. it's a lot rapped up in what seems like a lot of Words, really is the perfect amount.

So please list these contradictions if you can.. and please no more OT and NT law stuff because you guys just don't understand it.

When I caught you lying you told me you didn't read my posts. Now, days later, you read just enough to post another bunch of lies. You have shown a complete inability to discuss the Bible. You only want to talk about certain parts of it and not others.

[BigDofBA]

So is anyone going to answer why they believe the Bible and Christianity over other religions?

Why did you pick the religion you did? Why is it correct and the others aren’t?

[rkelly110]

So is anyone going to answer why they believe the Bible and Christianity over other religions?

Why did you pick the religion you did? Why is it correct and the others aren’t?

Well like you, I was brought up in it. Also like you, I veered away from it, but kept the faith. Instead of disavowing
like you, I dug deeper into the now, not the old of the bible.

The bible is written by men hundreds of years after Jesus. A lot could get lost or added during that time.

The now I have been exploring, that you guys ridicule, is of actual life after death stories of those who died
and came back. Psychics also are in the now talking to those who passed affirming of life after death.

The stories are religious neutral. The stories are of all nationalities. If that could get out to the masses,
there would be no religious turmoil and the world would be a better place. That won't happen, because
religion controls people.

[BigDofBA]

Well like you, I was brought up in it. Also like you, I veered away from it, but kept the faith. Instead of disavowing
like you, I dug deeper into the now, not the old of the bible.

The bible is written by men hundreds of years after Jesus. A lot could get lost or added during that time.

The now I have been exploring, that you guys ridicule, is of actual life after death stories of those who died
and came back. Psychics also are in the now talking to those who passed affirming of life after death.

The stories are religious neutral. The stories are of all nationalities. If that could get out to the masses,
there would be no religious turmoil and the world would be a better place. That won't happen, because
religion controls people.

Thanks for answering honestly.

Doesn’t the Bible say not to believe psychics?

[ROTTINGCHRIST]

[BigDofBA]

LOL. That's what I've been trying to say for the last three pages...but in a nicer way.

I listed several different religions, several different religious books or bibles, and several different sects of religion within the same religions (ex. Baptists vs Catholic, Sunni vs Shiite, etc.)

I just want to know how anyone can be positive that they picked the right religion and denomination out of the thousands that exist. Even within this very thread there were Christians fighting and arguing over whose interpretation of Christianity was correct. I mean...I'm was here trying to debate Christians and they were fighting among themselves as to who was right.....how am I supposed to buy into their region when they can't even agree?

I was born and raised Baptist...for no other reason than that's what my parents were and that's what they forced upon me. Instead of living in fear of the Church, I asked questions, did research, and educated myself on numerous religions. As a read the Bible, Torrah, and Quran more and more....the less I believed in God. Funny how that works. So now I have all these different groups...Christians, Muslims, Jews, Mormons, etc. telling me I'm going straight to hell and most of them don't even understand other religions. They just believe what they believe because of where they were born, who they were around, and who their parents were.


My transformation went like this.

1. Baptist
2. Protestant
3. Non-denominational
4. .....ok, these different churches and stuff aren't for me so I still believe in a "higher power"
5. More doubt...I start relying on education, experience, logic, and common sense
6. Yeah, it's all bullshit. I really don't believe it and never did. I just wanted to believe it but deep down I know better. I'm not special and don't have a personal relationship with the creator of the entire universe. There isn't an invisible man that will make me live for eternity.


The hardest part for people is the fear that the Church (or religion) puts into them. If you merely question it, you risk burning for eternity in hell. Most people probably just try to block out the doubt in their heads because the church teaches them that it's sin. This is the beauty of the mind control.

I started questioning it because I figured if there really was a God, he could read my mind anyway so I might as well be open and honest with myself. Then I saw all these so called "Christians" that goto Church on Sundays and are shitty people the other six days of the week. Living in the middle of the Bible belt, these have been "some" of the most judgmental hypocrites I've ever come across. Not all, but a lot more than there should be.

[brainfreeze]

Well like you, I was brought up in it. Also like you, I veered away from it, but kept the faith. Instead of disavowing
like you, I dug deeper into the now, not the old of the bible.


Old is still good to dig into, the whole of the scriptures is well done by Gods own measure. You are getting the idea though. Jesus is who saves.


The bible is written by men hundreds of years after Jesus. A lot could get lost or added during that time.


The old has been carried down religiously and 75% of the new was written by Apostal Paul. Paul conversed with all the other Apostels. Peter, Mark, Luke all knew each other. We know Peter and such walked with Jesus and had understanding with Paul. ... so let's not blur the truth with blank statements like this with no links to actual facts.


The now I have been exploring, that you guys ridicule, is of actual life after death stories of those who died
and came back. Psychics also are in the now talking to those who passed affirming of life after death.


The devil is a liar. All you are doing is getting yourself comfortable with unfamiliar spirits. Nothing good will come from it. 9.5 out of ten are a waste of time and money anyway. Just stealing from gullible. If you want to speak with someone who's had a life/death experience, do that. Why do something the Bible says not to and then say it helps you believe the Bible. You very well could be bringing unfamiliar spirits into your presence and bad things can happen. Then people blame God for that to.


The stories are religious neutral. The stories are of all nationalities. If that could get out to the masses,
there would be no religious turmoil and the world would be a better place. That won't happen, because
religion controls people



The stories are not " religion " neutral. They lead to One God through Jesus Christ. Your second statement is RIGHT. You got something there, The stories do lead to how we get nationality, cultures, and languages. From Jew to Gentile and genealogy down to the House of Israel.
.

bold...

Come on kelly, you've spent to much time in this thread to have so much misinformation.

[rkelly110]

Thanks for answering honestly.

Doesn’t the Bible say not to believe psychics?

Yeah but, I have a habit of not listening. Of course the Bible would say that, it will take away from what they are pusing
down your throat.

[stevek173]

[rkelly110]

bold...

Come on kelly, you've spent to much time in this thread to have so much misinformation.

I'm not running seances that bring in Elvis or Jim Morrison. Not into that shit, tho have tried it.

Sylvia Browne's book to the other side and back, she tells you how to get in touch with your spirit guide
and your loved ones who passed. Which I have. When you get that little chill up your back, you've made contact.

Yeah, those might be feel good books to warm the soul, but are they any different than the bible?

I've told you that story of the pastor I asked about what he thought of stories of the afterlife and what
he heard from actual people, made him question what he was teaching.

I've also told you that story from a guy at work whose friends husband died, but before doing so, she
asked him to give her a sign after passing that he was ok. Knocking down everything in the bath tub
and even showing up in the hallway. Scary yes, but God works in mysterious ways. I'm into mysterious.

[stevek173]

Rkelly put all your points on the Predators tonight

That'll win and will be almost enough for you to go Pro, then I'll give you another favored winner within the next week and you can go pro

DO IT

[rkelly110]

Rkelly put all your points on the Predators tonight

That'll win and will be almost enough for you to go Pro, then I'll give you another favored winner within the next week and you can go pro

DO IT

Stevie, can't go pro by points for the 1st time. I'll need to donate actual money.

1. my credit card is maxed out.
2. once bitten twice shy. My card was compromised before.
3. there are other things I don't want to say in public as to why I won't go pro. I will discuss with a non pro tho.
4. can only keep 3k of points. I have almost 9k.
5. everytime I go into the casino to drop points, I win more.

[stevek173]

Can we get a non pro in here to discuss this with rkelly?

I will pay whoever it is 12 points, not joking.

[BigDofBA]

So two people that believe in God are arguing or disagreeing...and I've only gotten one response in regards to my questions which was...."Why did you choose your religion and how do you know it is the correct religion?"

Any other non-believers out there find it ironic that the one person that answered said they believe in their religion because it's "what they were brought up in"? I'm not hating. Give rkelly credit for having some balls and being honest. All I'm saying is that if I'm brought up being taught the world is flat, it doesn't make my beliefs accurate.


Different Religions
Christianity - Catholic, Baptist, Methodist, Lutheran, Pentecostal, etc.
Islam - Sunni, Shiite
Judaism
Buddhism
Mormonism
etc.

Different Books
Bible
Torrah
Quran
Book of Mormon
Tripitakas
etc


This very small list only scratches the surface. Even with Catholicism there is varying beliefs. In this very thread, Christians have argued with each other over their interpretations.

So if a lot of you guys believe what you do because it's what you were "brought up in", then how does that make the Muslims in the Middle East wrong for believing in Islam? What makes your religion right and their religion wrong? The people over in Iraq will blow themselves up for their God so they've obviously demonstrated faith.

[brainfreeze]

Gods real... Go out and look at the grasp that evil has on people and then look at the ones among the chaos who walk in peace knowing what's going on around them. This is the game of life and everyone has a role. When a guy signs up for the army he must know what he's getting involved in, he can die for the army. Well I signed up for God and would risk my life for that. Even if you don't believe in a higher power, a good and evil, the people running the show do, so you will be effected indirectly. They want to lock away your minds and hearts to nothing of value. Just watch tv, movies, play games, watch games, go to parties, back to work, more games, they keep you moving so you don't have time to think, sit back for a second and put some things in perspective and you tell me.... If Gods real. ..bg

When you are in this country, the beautiful USA and you fight for it... You are automatically fighting for the virtues, morals, laws, land, and people of this Country and our Great God that has been since its founding. I love you, God loves you, true American hero ...

thank you for your service from the depths of my heart, God bless you!!!

[maggiethebestdog]

God has commanded you to kill your neighbor for working on the Sabbath. Nothing could be clearer. But you won't do that for your God. I guess you think you can decide what commands you obey. Typical religious hypocrisy. See you in Hell.

[Snowball]

It turns out that the human brain could be similar to a “biological computer,” and that human consciousness may be like a program which is run by a quantum computer within the brain. What’s even more astonishing is that after someone dies, “their soul comes back to the universe, and it does not die.”
This is all according to American physicist Dr. Stuart Hameroff and mathematical physicist Sir Roger Penrose, both of whom argue that the soul is maintained in micro-tubules of brain cells. The two scientists refer to this process as “Orchestrated Objective Reduction,” or “Orch-OR.” Allegedly, when human beings are “clinically dead,” microtubules in the brain lose their quantum state but are still able to retain the information inside of them.
This theory was recently outlined on The Science Channel’s ongoing documentary show Through the Wormhole, in which Dr. Hameroff elaborates: “Let’s say the heart stops beating, the blood stops flowing; the micro-tubules lose their quantum state. The quantum information within the micro-tubules is not destroyed, it can’t be destroyed, and it just distributes and dissipates to the universe at large.
If the patient is resuscitated, revived, this quantum information can go back into the micro-tubules and the patient says ‘I had a near-death experience.’ If they’re not revived, and the patient dies, it’s possible that this quantum information can exist outside the body, perhaps indefinitely, as a soul.”
continued: http://irelease.org/scientists-found...-the-universe/

[brainfreeze]

God has commanded you to kill your neighbor for working on the Sabbath. Nothing could be clearer. But you won't do that for your God. I guess you think you can decide what commands you obey. Typical religious hypocrisy. See you in Hell.

Luke 14:5

5And answered them, saying, Which of you shall have an ass or an ox fallen into a pit, and will not straightway pull him out on the sabbath day? 6And they could not answer him again to these things.

[terpkeg]

There is so much that we do not understand about our history. Ancient civilizations appeared to operate with a different understanding than we do know. It appears that much of their knowledge has been lost over time, maybe destroyed by cataclysmic events. Feels fairly evident that advanced civilizations existed 12,000+ years ago and were wiped out by the Great Flood, caused by asteroids hitting the earth. Nothing else can explain the megalithic architecture all over the world. We do not understand the Sun, Moon and Stars like those who came before us. So much information has been lost. We don't understand space and time. To say there is no "God" is pretty closed minded in my opinion. As is holding steadfast to any one religious text in its current form as the definitive word of "God".

I had a significant experience within the last year that led me towards acceptance that something far greater than us is at work in some capacity.

[brainfreeze]

Luke 14:5

5And answered them, saying, Which of you shall have an ass or an ox fallen into a pit, and will not straightway pull him out on the sabbath day? 6And they could not answer him again to these things.

Romans 10:4


1Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. 2For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. 3For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. 4For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

[brainfreeze]

I had a significant experience within the last year that led me towards acceptance that something far greater than us is at work in some capacity.

There is , He is the I AM ... He is YAH ... His Son is YAHshua (Jesus) He is King of King ... He is Most Magnificent .. He is LORD , and He is worthy of our praise ...

He loves you dearly, all of you ... open your heart, let Him in.

[bobbywaves]

See you in Hell.

Accepting where you're going, is a step in the right direction.

However, you won't see Waves there.

[brainfreeze]

Prayers tonight for anyone in the clutches of addiction in this thread,

rather its drinking, smoking weed, gambling (even cigs, i need help here) or the hard stuff from pain pills, herion, and meth... to porn

That God be with you in your times of struggle, that God help you get over it .. He loves you, love Him enough not to hurt yourself ..

God bless

[RangeFinder]

LOL. That's what I've been trying to say for the last three pages...but in a nicer way.

I listed several different religions, several different religious books or bibles, and several different sects of religion within the same religions (ex. Baptists vs Catholic, Sunni vs Shiite, etc.)

I just want to know how anyone can be positive that they picked the right religion and denomination out of the thousands that exist. Even within this very thread there were Christians fighting and arguing over whose interpretation of Christianity was correct. I mean...I'm was here trying to debate Christians and they were fighting among themselves as to who was right.....how am I supposed to buy into their region when they can't even agree?

I was born and raised Baptist...for no other reason than that's what my parents were and that's what they forced upon me. Instead of living in fear of the Church, I asked questions, did research, and educated myself on numerous religions. As a read the Bible, Torrah, and Quran more and more....the less I believed in God. Funny how that works. So now I have all these different groups...Christians, Muslims, Jews, Mormons, etc. telling me I'm going straight to hell and most of them don't even understand other religions. They just believe what they believe because of where they were born, who they were around, and who their parents were.


My transformation went like this.

1. Baptist
2. Protestant
3. Non-denominational
4. .....ok, these different churches and stuff aren't for me so I still believe in a "higher power"
5. More doubt...I start relying on education, experience, logic, and common sense
6. Yeah, it's all bullshit. I really don't believe it and never did. I just wanted to believe it but deep down I know better. I'm not special and don't have a personal relationship with the creator of the entire universe. There isn't an invisible man that will make me live for eternity.


The hardest part for people is the fear that the Church (or religion) puts into them. If you merely question it, you risk burning for eternity in hell. Most people probably just try to block out the doubt in their heads because the church teaches them that it's sin. This is the beauty of the mind control.

I started questioning it because I figured if there really was a God, he could read my mind anyway so I might as well be open and honest with myself. Then I saw all these so called "Christians" that goto Church on Sundays and are shitty people the other six days of the week. Living in the middle of the Bible belt, these have been "some" of the most judgmental hypocrites I've ever come across. Not all, but a lot more than there should be.

May I suggest a book that might explain things to you

The Case For Christ by Lee Strobel

Very good read that might answer everything you have gone through

[BigDofBA]

I’m not going to bash anyone. I just want their reason.

Why is it that after I ask this question it’s suddenly crickets in here?

Why do you people believe in Christianity and the Bible over the other religions and their religious books?

That’s it. That’s all I want to know.

The Christians say they believe the Bible. Muslims say they believe the Quran. Jews believe the Torah. Why? What makes yours any more accurate than the others? How did you come to a point when you knew yours was right?

I asked this question over two weeks ago and this thread completely died.

Now the thread has come alive again and it’s like I never asked the question. It’s tottally been ignored.

Why is the Bible the correct religious book? Why is Christianity the correct religion?

Please explain. I’ve already listed the numerous religious, denominations, religious texts, etc. how did you guys land on Christianity? How are you sure it’s correct?

You believe in it so you tell me.

[RangeFinder]

I asked this question over two weeks ago and this thread completely died.

Now the thread has come alive again and it’s like I never asked the question. It’s tottally been ignored.

Why is the Bible the correct religious book? Why is Christianity the correct religion?

Please explain. I’ve already listed the numerous religious, denominations, religious texts, etc. how did you guys land on Christianity? How are you sure it’s correct?

You believe in it so you tell me.

That's really a big question to answer but I'll try to answer and be simple and short

Jesus was Prophesied without doubt

You have the gospels which are eye witness to the accounts of the life and teachings of Jesus and also the healing

All 12 disciples were murdered for what? For not denouncing Christ as Savior and the accounts they gave

12 people did not die for a lie that is not true

Things happening today are lining up with the prophesy in Revelation by the prophet Daniel

I know this is very short and there is so much more but these are my reasons for believing which is plenty

[maggiethebestdog]

Accepting where you're going, is a step in the right direction.

However, you won't see Waves there.

Neither one of us follows the Bible's commandments. I'll save you a seat.

[maggiethebestdog]

That's really a big question to answer but I'll try to answer and be simple and short

Jesus was Prophesied without doubt

You have the gospels which are eye witness to the accounts of the life and teachings of Jesus and also the healing

All 12 disciples were murdered for what? For not denouncing Christ as Savior and the accounts they gave

12 people did not die for a lie that is not true

Things happening today are lining up with the prophesy in Revelation by the prophet Daniel

I know this is very short and there is so much more but these are my reasons for believing which is plenty

There are several recorded historians from the time Jesus lived. Only 3 mention someone named Jesus, which was a very common name. No mention of him performing miracles or any of the nonsense. Only one Christian historian made those claims and he was an admitted fraud. I'm pretty sure someone performing miracles would be noted by unbiased people if it happened.

You don't seem like a dick like these other guys in here, but your ignorance of historical fact is staggering.

[BigDofBA]

That's really a big question to answer but I'll try to answer and be simple and short

Jesus was Prophesied without doubt

You have the gospels which are eye witness to the accounts of the life and teachings of Jesus and also the healing

All 12 disciples were murdered for what? For not denouncing Christ as Savior and the accounts they gave

12 people did not die for a lie that is not true

Things happening today are lining up with the prophesy in Revelation by the prophet Daniel

I know this is very short and there is so much more but these are my reasons for believing which is plenty

Thanks for at least trying to answer but Muslims also say that there is “eye witness” evidence for Muhammad.

How am I supposed to devote my life to a religion based on witness accounts and word of mouth from thousands of years ago?

How am I supposed to choose a religion when there are multiple religions that are based on similar “evidence”?

In the court of law, word of mouth is the weakest forms of evidence.

Why did all of these miracles suddenly stop when we could record things and take pictures?

Essentially, all of these God’s chose the worst time in history to perform their magic. Today they could convince the world....

[RangeFinder]

Thanks for at least trying to answer but Muslims also say that there is “eye witness” evidence for Muhammad.

How am I supposed to devote my life to a religion based on witness accounts and word of mouth from thousands of years ago?

How am I supposed to choose a religion when there are multiple religions that are based on similar “evidence”?

In the court of law, word of mouth is the weakest forms of evidence.

Okay fair enough

Let me ask these questions

Was Mohammad prophesied?

Is Mohammad a Savior?

What about the other religions? Do they hold water under the scrutiny the Christianity can?

If you read the book The Case for Christ a lot of what you are asking is answered

I do understand what you are asking though and I hope you find your answers by continuing your search

[brainfreeze]

Thanks
Essentially, all of these God’s chose the worst time in history to perform their magic. Today they could convince the world....

If God has to convince, where does our value lie? He would hope you seek with pure intentions and motives. What " religion " sounds right to us? Does buddah and " self " appeal to us? Does the ways of muhammad or his family appeal, or how about the Jews who didn't except what was true ... stop being so concerned with everything and everybody ... what speaks to OUR heart? What sounds right and true? If I lay a measure and and square I can find a true foundation, because it's true every time all the time ...

don't worry what 7.5 billion other people do .... we have to worry about ourselves first. Do the Ten Commandments sound right and true ? Do the Words of Christ make sense? If not, and it sounds confusing pray for better understanding but we can never say .. Jesus didn't leave us anything but pure Words of life for us.

ITS REAL D .... TAKE MY WORD MAN, and get found in His love I don't know what else to say bro, I'm here for you, all of you, I'm not Jesus, BUT I KNOW HIM ... and He loves you guys THIS IS THE TRUTH

Read the gospel and read romans 6,7, & 8 what Paul was talking about ... I don't do this because I'm bored bro, I do it because I have love for you, and want to see you complete, its to important. btw something strange happened to me recently ... in real time, a few on the forum know I just haven't posted it yet ... and my mom is still making grown men cry, telling them about their folks that are no longer..

DOES THIS SOUND LIKE A JOKE or means to debate and convince ? .... figure it out bro, love to you

[Snowball]

There are several recorded historians from the time Jesus lived. Only 3 mention someone named Jesus, which was a very common name. No mention of him performing miracles or any of the nonsense. Only one Christian historian made those claims and he was an admitted fraud. I'm pretty sure someone performing miracles would be noted by unbiased people if it happened.

You don't seem like a dick like these other guys in here, but your ignorance of historical fact is staggering.

you're really confused. I suppose you're thinking of Josephus, mistakenly described as "Christian" ?
Josephus didn't only mention Jesus Christ, he mentioned others named Jesus, and the Apostle James the Righteous.
Suetonius and Tacitus mentioned Jesus. Many Greeks and Jews did, but if they became Christians, people like you
will write them off and say, whoa, they are Christians, so that doesn't count.. lol.. like Josephus said Christ worked
miracles, and modern atheists want to discount that as a later addition, despite there being absolutely no proof
to make that contention, except for their own bias. I suppose the Pilate Stone and evidences of Christians in Gaul
and Britannia and Iberia in the 1st century is also not worth considering, or India, Egypt, Antioch, Edessa, etc.
How about the relics ? Fabrications, eh ? That Shroud which science to this day cannot explain ? Or is it the fact
that the Talmuds record events surrounding Christ's death such as the veil being rent, earthquake, and more,
( I can provide a link to that if you are interested), how about the fact that no Jews ever denied He existed, despite
being the sworn enemies of Christianity ? Or Romans, you know, despite they tried to kill all the Christians for centuries.
Yeah, and there's dozens of others but if they believed, you write them off... then there's the fact that most writings
from the period were lost, burnt, and stolen.. and if you're thinking of Philo, very little of what he wrote exists. He was
not an historian, either, he was an Alexandrian Hellenicized Jewish philosopher. Clement of Alexandria ? Seneca's brother
Gallio in Acts ? Seneca's mention of a crucified king ? I'm done but there is a lot more. Inscribed Christian tombs, cave drawings, altars in the catacombs, even the nail in Caiphas ossuary. I gotta go.

[RangeFinder]

Here's to everyone who has read or posted on this thread

Hope you like it

[brainfreeze]

Truthfully rangefinder .. that particular music sounds a little depressive to me. If you like it, and worship Jesus with it, awesome... it's just not for me, but thanks for sharing.