Thinking About Giving Up My US Citizenship...Should I Do It?

[PhillyFlyers]

Boys, I have an opportunity to live abroad. Everything I need will be there. Thinking about making the move permanent and giving up my US citizenship.

The way I see it, I'll actually be taxed less and have more personal freedoms like being able to gamble freely online. Hell, we aren't even allowed to smoke Cubans here in the States. Where the fukk is the freedom?

Plus, I won't get my taxes raised to support Shaniqua and her 20 kids with 15 different men.

What are the benfits and ramifications of doing this? Can I still come back to visit?

What do you say SBR?

[chilidog]

You'll still owe taxes, if the IRS determines that you left to avoid taxes. Why would you want to renounce, though? There's a foreign tax credit for a bit more than $90,000 of your earned income.

You will need to get a v.isa to re-enter the United States if you renounce your citizenship. Whether the Consulate at the Embassy in the country you're going to grants you that v.isa is entirely up to him/her.

And of course the obvious question, will your new host country grant you citizenship?

[PhillyFlyers]

You'll still owe taxes, if the IRS determines that you left to avoid taxes. Why would you want to renounce, though? There's a foreign tax credit for a bit more than $90,000 of your earned income.

You will need to get a v.isa to re-enter the United States if you renounce your citizenship. Whether the Consulate at the Embassy in the country you're going to grants you that v.isa is entirely up to him/her.

And of course the obvious question, will your new host country grant you citizenship?

Well, I won't be leaving to avoid taxes. I'll be leaving because I want to live in freedom and not be around n!ggers anymore.

My potential host country granting me citizenship.........does it really matter if I can live there permanently without officially becoming a citizen?

[chilidog]

Well, I won't be leaving to avoid taxes. I'll be leaving because I want to live in freedom and not be around n!ggers anymore.

My potential host country granting me citizenship.........does it really matter if I can live there permanently without officially becoming a citizen?

Are you planning on living there forever and never leaving that country? I'd make sure you have a permanent legal status in that country before renouncing your US citizenship.

[PhillyFlyers]

Are you planning on living there forever and never leaving that country? I'd make sure you have a permanent legal status in that country before renouncing your US citizenship.

Exactly what do you mean by permanent legal status? A permanent address?

[chilidog]

Exactly what do you mean by permanent legal status? A permanent address?

For instance, to stay in a country legally, you'll need some kind of legal status. Work v.isa, marriage, investor, retired/pension, citizenship, etc. Things like a work v.isa, investor v.isa, and retired/pensioned v.isa are typically temporary visas that you have to renew (but can later be changed to a permanent status). While you're in another country, you really should have a permanent legal status, because you'll need a valid passport to do many things. If you renounce your US citizenship, of course you lose your passport as well. How will you travel?

[PhillyFlyers]

For instance, to stay in a country legally, you'll need some kind of legal status. Work v.isa, marriage, investor, retired/pension, citizenship, etc. Things like a work v.isa, investor v.isa, and retired/pensioned v.isa are typically temporary visas that you have to renew (but can later be changed to a permanent status). While you're in another country, you really should have a permanent legal status, because you'll need a valid passport to do many things. If you renounce your US citizenship, of course you lose your passport as well. How will you travel?

Pal, I wouldn't care about traveling. I'll tell you a true story.

Years ago, I had the opportunity to travel throughout Europe. I visited most of the Western European nations. During my travels, I came across a stunningly beautiful little village. My mouth dropped in awe at the mere sight of it.

As it happened, the day I got there was the day before the start of a four day-long festival. I wound up staying the entirety of the four days, drinking and eating all day long, then all night as well. I thought to myself this is where I want to die.

I made many friends, some of whom have traveled to the US to visit me. I remember the day I had to leave that village and country. I cried for an hour straight.

I made the decision then that when I eventually came back, it was going to be for good. I am now at the point where I can go back.

I do not wish to travel any further as I have already seen the world several times over and did more traveling than most people could dream of in a lifetime. I'm settled on where I want to be.

I do need to work on that legal status thing though.

[chilidog]

Pal, I wouldn't care about traveling. I'll tell you a true story.

Years ago, I had the opportunity to travel throughout Europe. I visited most of the Western European nations. During my travels, I came across a stunningly beautiful little village. My mouth dropped in awe at the mere sight of it.

As it happened, the day I got there was the day before the start of a four day-long festival. I wound up staying the entirety of the four days, drinking and eating all day long, then all night as well. I thought to myself this is where I want to die.

I made many friends, some of whom have traveled to the US to visit me. I remember the day I had to leave that village and country. I cried for an hour straight.

I made the decision then that when I eventually came back, it was going to be for good. I am now at the point where I can go back.

I do not wish to travel any further as I have already seen the world several times over and did more traveling than most people could dream of in a lifetime. I'm settled on where I want to be.

I do need to work on that legal status thing though.

But why the rush to renounce your citizenship? You shouldn't have to pay any taxes to the States once you leave (depending on your income and how you earn it), and it can take quite awhile to get citizenship in another country.

[chachi]

You cannot legally 'exist' or reside anywhere except where you hold a passport from/have citizenship without either:

1) a passport from country of birth
2) a passport from another country of naturalized citizenship

The UK and some EU countries have the concept of 'indefinite leave to remain' or an open-ended/annual renewal resident alien permit where you can stay as long as you like, but you are still a 'resident alien' without right of claim to citizenship, passport, public funds/assistance, etc. and are at anytime at risk of being declared persona non grata by the government and escorted to the airport/ejected from the country.

Note that many/most countries will not allow a non-EU national to seek employment in any way if on a standard residency permit and will want to see real proof of ability to support one's self / be financially independent based upon bank account balances, stock holdings, company dividends, etc.

Many countries make foreign nationals post a cash bond or similar with immigration to guarantee repatriation costs should they decide to revoke your status and kick you out. If you do not hold a passport you cannot legally travel internationally and will be refused ability to board a plane/etc, and therefore wherever's immigration will not let you enter in the first place if trying to get there without one, or will want to have a pointed conversation with you when they find out if you give it up after getting there/being at the new place.

AFAIK no EU country can/will legally allow a non-EU national to reside/live indefinitely/transit borders sans passport.

NB: I am not an immigration specialist, but I did live in Europe for almost 20 years and at times had indefinite leave to remain in one place and later an open-ended unrestricted residency permit in another country, so do sort of know a bit about going through the processes

[SharpBoxing]

What country do you want to go?

[PhillyFlyers]

But why the rush to renounce your citizenship? You shouldn't have to pay any taxes to the States once you leave (depending on your income and how you earn it), and it can take quite awhile to get citizenship in another country.

I do think you have to pay taxes to the States if you don't renounce. Also, if I keep States citizenship, when I die, they tax that as well if my understanding is correct.

Anyway, why should I keep citizenship to a country I would no longer be living and working in?

[PhillyFlyers]

You cannot legally 'exist' or reside anywhere except where you hold a passport from/have citizenship without either:

1) a passport from country of birth
2) a passport from another country of naturalized citizenship

The UK and some EU countries have the concept of 'indefinite leave to remain' or an open-ended/annual renewal resident alien permit where you can stay as long as you like, but you are still a 'resident alien' without right of claim to citizenship, passport, public funds/assistance, etc. and are at anytime at risk of being declared persona non grata by the government and escorted to the airport/ejected from the country.

Note that many/most countries will not allow a non-EU national to seek employment in any way if on a standard residency permit and will want to see real proof of ability to support one's self / be financially independent based upon bank account balances, stock holdings, company dividends, etc.

Many countries make foreign nationals post a cash bond or similar with immigration to guarantee repatriation costs should they decide to revoke your status and kick you out. If you do not hold a passport you cannot legally travel internationally and will be refused ability to board a plane/etc, and therefore wherever's immigration will not let you enter in the first place if trying to get there without one, or will want to have a pointed conversation with you when they find out if you give it up after getting there/being at the new place.

AFAIK no EU country can/will legally allow a non-EU national to reside/live indefinitely/transit borders sans passport.

NB: I am not an immigration specialist, but I did live in Europe for almost 20 years and at times had indefinite leave to remain in one place and later an open-ended unrestricted residency permit in another country, so do sort of know a bit about going through the processes

I do have a passport, obviously.

What happens if I give it up after I get there?

[chilidog]

I do think you have to pay taxes to the States if you don't renounce. Also, if I keep States citizenship, when I die, they tax that as well if my understanding is correct.

Anyway, why should I keep citizenship to a country I would no longer be living and working in?

There's no need to keep your citizenship. I'm just saying that there's no rush for you to renounce while you obtain citizenship elsewhere first.

[chilidog]

I do have a passport, obviously.

What happens if I give it up after I get there?

You'll be stateless, if you don't have legal status in that country. You'll pretty much be an illegal immigrant in that country. What happens if you get pulled over by traffic police? You would never be able to cross the border. You likely won't be able to do any banking. Life outside of the States is quite different - you need your passport to do so many things (unless you have legal status in that country).

[PhillyFlyers]

You'll be stateless, if you don't have legal status in that country. You'll pretty much be an illegal immigrant in that country. What happens if you get pulled over by traffic police? You would never be able to cross the border. You likely won't be able to do any banking. Life outside of the States is quite different - you need your passport to do so many things (unless you have legal status in that country).

I don't get this. If I get pulled over by traffic police while stateless, then legally, I am not bound or subject to their laws or anyone else's.

Right?

[NavsPicks]

Your a clown. Don't you have real people in your life that can you can go to advice for rather then an online betting forum..

[bubblebuttluv]

If you really want to give up citizenship because you don't want to be around black people, just move to some area in the U.S. with a really low % of black people. Apparently there are places in the Mid West were it is super unlikely to see a black person except if they are on a sports team.

Don't let your racism be the reason you give up citizenship.

[PhillyFlyers]

If you really want to give up citizenship because you don't want to be around black people, just move to some area in the U.S. with a really low % of black people. Apparently there are places in the Mid West were it is super unlikely to see a black person except if they are on a sports team.

Don't let your racism be the reason you give up citizenship.

There's no freedom here anymore.

[PhillyFlyers]

Your a clown. Don't you have real people in your life that can you can go to advice for rather then an online betting forum..

Get off the thread if you don't like it you worthless fukk.

[chilidog]

I don't get this. If I get pulled over by traffic police while stateless, then legally, I am not bound or subject to their laws or anyone else's.

Right?

You're bound by that country's laws that you are physically in, regardless of your legal status in that country. And if traffic police do pull you over and you aren't legal in that country, then they'll deport you back to the States. You should really consult with an immigration lawyer in the country that you're wanting to reside in.

[pulledclear]

PLEASE yes!

[TheRifleman]

yes, get out while the gettin is good...the USA is doomed. It is the walking dead. RUN!

[bigtymer56]

Where r u going? Gotta let the other black people know theres still places you can get away from us. Unless its cold,...then ur probably good.

[TheRifleman]

You cannot legally 'exist' or reside anywhere except where you hold a passport from/have citizenship without either:

1) a passport from country of birth
2) a passport from another country of naturalized citizenship

The UK and some EU countries have the concept of 'indefinite leave to remain' or an open-ended/annual renewal resident alien permit where you can stay as long as you like, but you are still a 'resident alien' without right of claim to citizenship, passport, public funds/assistance, etc. and are at anytime at risk of being declared persona non grata by the government and escorted to the airport/ejected from the country.

Note that many/most countries will not allow a non-EU national to seek employment in any way if on a standard residency permit and will want to see real proof of ability to support one's self / be financially independent based upon bank account balances, stock holdings, company dividends, etc.

Many countries make foreign nationals post a cash bond or similar with immigration to guarantee repatriation costs should they decide to revoke your status and kick you out. If you do not hold a passport you cannot legally travel internationally and will be refused ability to board a plane/etc, and therefore wherever's immigration will not let you enter in the first place if trying to get there without one, or will want to have a pointed conversation with you when they find out if you give it up after getting there/being at the new place.

AFAIK no EU country can/will legally allow a non-EU national to reside/live indefinitely/transit borders sans passport.

NB: I am not an immigration specialist, but I did live in Europe for almost 20 years and at times had indefinite leave to remain in one place and later an open-ended unrestricted residency permit in another country, so do sort of know a bit about going through the processes

You forgot to mention that "anywhere" in the world..EXCEPT AMERICA..lol!! The dumbest people on the face of the earth, and yes, I'm one of them....

Americans are too dumb to have an immigration policy like the EU....idiots of the first order and they will suffer greatly for their STUPIDITY.

[chilidog]

You forgot to mention that "anywhere" in the world..EXCEPT AMERICA..lol!! The dumbest people on the face of the earth, and yes, I'm one of them....

Americans are too dumb to have an immigration policy like the EU....idiots of the first order and they will suffer greatly for their STUPIDITY.

Here you go again, talking about things you have zero knowledge and/or experience with.

[SharpBoxing]

Yeah I wouldnt go to Europe to escape from black people. At least in the US you can protect yourself with a gun against those apes.

[Big Bear]

If you really want to give up citizenship because you don't want to be around black people, just move to some area in the U.S. with a really low % of black people. Apparently there are places in the Mid West were it is super unlikely to see a black person except if they are on a sports team.

Don't let your racism be the reason you give up citizenship.

in Hawaii there are almost no black people.

[Dr.Gonzo]

Here you go again, talking about things you have zero knowledge and/or experience with.

The EU's immigration policy is horrible but he's right in the sense that no state has a worse immigration policy than the US.

[BennyBigNuts]

Flyers what kind of work will you be doing? And where will you be going?

[TheRifleman]

The EU's immigration policy is horrible but he's right in the sense that no state has a worse immigration policy than the US.

what immigration policy? There is none. Oh, they selectively enforce whatever policy is still on the books, but the whole thing is a farce and a disgrace, a spit in the face to the millions who immigrated legally to the USA, mostly through Ellis Island.

Leftist scum ruined everything.

Hope Ted "the swimmer" Kennedy is burning in hell.

[chilidog]

The EU's immigration policy is horrible but he's right in the sense that no state has a worse immigration policy than the US.

Do you have experience with US immigration? I am a US citizen, but my wife is not (yet), and US immigration is fairly strict. I would say that the States has more stringent immigration policies than many countries.

[PhillyFlyers]

You're bound by that country's laws that you are physically in, regardless of your legal status in that country. And if traffic police do pull you over and you aren't legal in that country, then they'll deport you back to the States. You should really consult with an immigration lawyer in the country that you're wanting to reside in.

Chili

If this is true how the fukk do the gypsies I see everywhere in Europe get away with wandering from country to country flawlessly?

[SharpBoxing]

Chili

If this is true how the fukk do the gypsies I see everywhere in Europe get away with wandering from country to country flawlessly?

I think most of them have the Romanian nationality wich is part of the EU. So they can go whereever they want in the EU

[chachi]

You forgot to mention that "anywhere" in the world..EXCEPT AMERICA..lol!! The dumbest people on the face of the earth, and yes, I'm one of them....

You certainly are ... reread my post:

You cannot legally 'exist' or reside anywhere except where you hold a passport from/have citizenship without either:

I'm betting you live here legally since you're a citizen who was born here

[chilidog]

Chili

If this is true how the fukk do the gypsies I see everywhere in Europe get away with wandering from country to country flawlessly?

You should really consult with an immigration lawyer in the country you intend to establish residency in. I can't answer for these gypsies that you're talking about, but I am quite familiar with immigration law in general (as a US citizen that left and established residency in another country).