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  • TheRifleman
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    There is NO SUCH THING as "separation of church and state" in the US constitution....
    yet, the ACLU is citing it stopping HS football players from praying after football games at their school!!!; and the cowardly leftist school administration is all good with that!!!

    You mean you can get a call from the alleged POTUS congratulating someone in their "gay rights" victory, but you can't give thanks to GOD after a football game now??

    SICK. Leftists must be stopped by any means necessary. And they will be.




    School bans ‘Tebowing’ style postgame prayer following ACLU complaint

    Some claim it’s postgame prayer. Others call it the latest round of “Tebowing”. Either way, Tim Tebow is going to be might upset.
    Lahser High has outlawed postgame prayer — Lahser Kight Life
    As reported by the Oakland Press, a high school in Bloomfield Hills, Mich. officially outlawed postgame prayer in response to a formal complaint about violation of separation of church and state that was filed by the American Civil Liberties Union. The case in question focuses on Bloomfield Hills (Mich.) Lahser High, where the school’s football team led traditional post-game prayers at midfield, allowing members of its team and opponents to take part in the tradition of offering thanks for another game completed.
    The Tebowing comes in when one considers the position players take when involved in such prayers, standing on one knee with head bowed (which, of course, was the motivation behind Tebow’s original craze-inducing pose in the first place). Tebow, of course, is a devout Christian who has made a point of dedicating all of his accomplishments to the big man that Christians believe in upstairs (you know, the one whose name starts with a "J" and rhymes with "Beezus").
    According to the Press, school officials immediately said that they would conform to the ACLU’s proposed guidelines and would not hold any postgame prayer sessions on school property. At the same time, Lahser officials insisted that they had never intended any student to feel uncomfortable because of the prayer sessions, which allegedly began more than a decade ago at the behest of a student athlete.
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    • dante1
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      Is this guy ever correct, they say even a blind pig...right. Wow, this guy has a record worse than a blind pig.
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      • flocko76
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        Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
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        • TheRifleman
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          #5
          For you MORONS who thing that there is.... the term: "separation of church" and state came from a letter written by Thomas Jefferson.....but, it is NOT a term used in the constitution. Here is the letter:
          ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
          Gentlemen

          The affectionate sentiments of esteem and approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties dictate a faithful and zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, & in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more and more pleasing.

          Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.

          I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection & blessing of the common father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves & your religious association, assurances of my high respect & esteem.

          Th Jefferson




          Jan. 1. 1802 As you can see, the intent of the First Amendment (and the entire Bill of Rights) was to ensure that the right to freely practice religion would not be relinquished to government legislation. The Bill of Rights was not protection for the government from religion.
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          • TheRifleman
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            #6
            so what is this? You moron.....Geez, are you DUMB!! LOL!!

            Omg, you allegedly were a teacher??? LOL....no wonder Treyvon Martins ghetto beast GF is totally illiterate...

            You are an idiot.
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            • dante1
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              #7
              Originally posted by TheRifleman
              so what is this? You moron.....Geez, are you DUMB!! LOL!!

              Omg, you allegedly were a teacher??? LOL....no wonder Treyvon Martins ghetto beast GF is totally illiterate...

              You are an idiot.


              I am dumb, we should have a vote on that me vs you. lol

              Read the article idiot, I realize it has some multi-syllable words but give it a try anyway. See what Jefferson has to say about this subject. BTW, did you know Jefferson had his own bible?Bet you didn't. He removed all the supernatural parts from your bible and had what he believed was the perfect bible. Imagine that, he is a hero of yours is he not? I'm the idiot.

              Oh I forgot this idiot would like to discuss your college days with you, why is that always a no?
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              • dante1
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                I did like the Jefferson Bible, though, for its brief summation of the stories that have changed the world. I like most of all the idea of Thomas Jefferson with scissors and paste finding what was meaningful for himself in the gospels and cutting out his own version. This was the Jefferson who encouraged, "Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear." His Bible was an act of audacious redaction: he refused to accept the book as divinely inspired holy writ, and determined that he would examine it carefully to see in it what his own conscience and reason showed was good, and follow that good, and ignore the rest. Would that others would do the same.


                This is one paragraph of a review of "the Jefferson bible" rifle. The Jefferson you thought you knew, guess what rifle like everything you think you know...well you are wrong again. Doesn't it get tiresome, being wrong all the time I mean.
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                • CarpeDime
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by TheRifleman

                  Leftists must be stopped by any means necessary. And they will be.
                  how will they be stopped?

                  by spamming non-political internet forums? or do you whackjobs have something additional up your sleeves? tell us!
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                  • TheRifleman
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by dante1
                    I am dumb, we should have a vote on that me vs you. lol

                    Read the article idiot, I realize it has some multi-syllable words but give it a try anyway. See what Jefferson has to say about this subject. BTW, did you know Jefferson had his own bible?Bet you didn't. He removed all the supernatural parts from your bible and had what he believed was the perfect bible. Imagine that, he is a hero of yours is he not? I'm the idiot.

                    Oh I forgot this idiot would like to discuss your college days with you, why is that always a no?
                    You're breathtakingly DUMB...where in the constitution does it mention "separation of church and state" ..

                    You utter fraud moron.....you are the reason why our children are so STUPID
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                    • Smoke
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                      #11
                      This coming from a phag with trayvon in his avarar

                      Fukkin phag loser
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                      • dante1
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by TheRifleman
                        You're breathtakingly DUMB...where in the constitution does it mention "separation of church and state" ..

                        You utter fraud moron.....you are the reason why our children are so STUPID

                        read the article I posted rifle, it is evident you did not. Like I said they come no dumber than you.

                        we can solve this...who is dumber if you simply have a conversation with me about our college days. I think in less than a half an hour most people will be able to get a better handle on the dumb issue. but rifle almost all know you own the title, you are the one and only the dumbest many of us have ever encountered. so what do you say should we talk about your invisible college education? why oh why is it no all the time?
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                        • zizoudane10
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                          #13


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                          • dante1
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by zizoudane10



                            poor rifle he is so stupid he can't understand what is going on with this issue.
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                            • dante1
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                              poor rifle thinks he found something new, this has been used for centuries by nuts like him.

                              Rifle let me make it easier for you to understand okay. I know you need pictures and simple words. Okay rifle does it say on your birth certificate that you are an idiot? No it certainly does not however do almost all people realize you are an idiot and treat you as if it is on your birth certificate. That is a yes. You see rifle try to make the association, we know it is difficult probably beyond what your glass can hold. Give it a good try rifle. lol
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                              • TheRifleman
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                                Someone, anyone, tell me where in the US Constitution does it mention "separation of Church and state" or anything even remotely close that that phrase.....

                                ANYONE???

                                You can't.... because it DOESN'T!!!
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                                • dante1
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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by TheRifleman
                                  Someone, anyone, tell me where in the US Constitution does it mention "separation of Church and state" or anything even remotely close that that phrase.....

                                  ANYONE???

                                  You can't.... because it DOESN'T!!!


                                  Rifle we all know this, this is not an epiphany for most, but you just made this discovery. God you are slow. So rifle maybe we can have a conversation about this? You don't like to converse but since you just made this "discovery" what does that mean to you. Does it mean the US should be considered a christian nation and the bible should be used in the courts to decide cases. Is that what you mean? Tell us what does this mean for you?

                                  I have a feeling this discussion is going to end very soon, the rifle has no substance just claims and bs and when he does hit upon a fact what does the fact mean for him. Well let us hear it rifle. Maybe I can finally get a discussion out of you
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                                  • dante1
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                                    Again with the irony, this guy who claims to be a christian is probably less christian in action and words than almost anybody else on this forum who make no such claim. That is the irony. So rifle let us hear about your christian nation, what should we do?

                                    The founding fathers were smart enough to keep these two institutions away from one another. But, you are sharper than those guys, lol. You aren't sharper than some of their pets they had. Pigs and chickens running around would give you a real intelligence battle.
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                                    • TheRifleman
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                                      #19
                                      You CAN'T, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T!!!


                                      anyone want to take a shot?????



                                      Didn't think so!!!


                                      This "church and state" separation thing....is a hoax just like everything else the leftists' get their diabolical, dishonest, STUPID claws on....

                                      The day of reckoning is coming....................
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                                      • dante1
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                                        OMG, does the above quote just prove beyond a doubt he doesn't even read the replies. Or is this just another diversion to avoid my replies. That is probably it, like a kid he has a tantrum. But, when he decided this would be his reply he thought he was awfully sharp.Much like his pedophile argument he uses often when he runs out of ammo. And that is very near the beginning of the argument.
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                                        • zizoudane10
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by dante1
                                          OMG, does the above quote just prove beyond a doubt he doesn't even read the replies. Or is this just another diversion to avoid my replies. That is probably it, like a kid he has a tantrum. But, when he decided this would be his reply he thought he was awfully sharp.Much like his pedophile argument he uses often when he runs out of ammo. And that is very near the beginning of the argument.

                                          tbh, I never saw any ammo in the first place....
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                                          • TheRifleman
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                                            #22
                                            ANYONE WANT TO TAKE A SHOT??

                                            WHERE IN THE CONSTITUTION OF THE USA DOES IT MENTION "SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE' or anything remotely similar???



                                            YOU WON'T FIND IT....SO DON'T EVEN WASTE YOUR TIME!!


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                                            • TheRifleman
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                                              ANYONE? NOBODY??

                                              Where in the US constitution does it mention ANYTHING....ANYTHING WHATSOEVER ABOUT THIS...."separation of church and state"???

                                              ANYONE ????



                                              It doesn't !!!

                                              LOL!!!!
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                                              • TheRifleman
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                                                #24
                                                ANYONE????



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                                                • SamDiamond
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by TheRifleman
                                                  ANYONE????



                                                  Has anyone said there was?

                                                  Whether you like it or not, the United States Supreme Court has settled the issue. So you don't have to worry about christianity ever becoming the official us brand of opium.
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                                                  • dante1
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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by SamDiamond
                                                    Has anyone said there was?

                                                    Whether you like it or not, the United States Supreme Court has settled the issue. So you don't have to worry about christianity ever becoming the official us brand of opium.

                                                    No, of course not. The man of no honor is just being an asshole again.

                                                    Exactly right SD it has been before the court more than once I believe. But to the man of no honor this is an epiphany however when asked if he wants to discuss this revelation, guess what mute again. What a hand job this guy is.
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                                                    • dante1
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                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by zizoudane10

                                                      tbh, I never saw any ammo in the first place....

                                                      Yeah, I know I misspoke or I mean I miss printed.
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                                                      • SportsInteLect
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                                                        #28
                                                        You are correct. The phrase "separation of church and state" itself does not appear in the United States Constitution. Thomas Jefferson and James Madison, two founding fathers of the United States, are responsible for the phrase "separation of church and state."

                                                        Madison wrote, and he declared, "practical distinction between Religion and Civil Government is essential to the purity of both, and as guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States."

                                                        Madison further expanded, "We are teaching the world the great truth that Govts. do better without Kings & Nobles than with them. When the First Amendment of the United States Constitution was written, founding father James Madison, the primary author, intended the First Amendment of the United States to be interpreted as separation of church and state.

                                                        Madison's biggest mistake was not being more elaborate for idiots to understand.

                                                        The school is funded by the state and that means it receives government support. Government cannot support religious institutions. Government supported schools cannot be turned into parochial schools. Christian conservative terrorists need to realize that no one is stopping parents from enrolling their children into parochial schools.

                                                        There is a war going on between people with superb cognitive skills that are open-minded, fair-minded, rational-thinking, critical-thinking, evidence-based intellectuals vs primitive-retarded-right-wing neanderthals.

                                                        Lets lake a look at what some of the key Founding Fathers, Thomas Paine, John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, and Thomas Jefferson, who constructed the Declaration of Independence and the United States Constitution, had to say about religion ...

                                                        "In the affairs of the world, men are saved not by faith, but by the lack of it."- Ben Franklin

                                                        "Of all the tyrannies that affect mankind, tyranny in religion is the worst."- Thomas Paine

                                                        "This would be the best of all possible worlds if there were no religion in it"- John Adams

                                                        "All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit."- Thomas Paine

                                                        "And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with all this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this the most venerated reformer of human errors."- Thomas Jefferson

                                                        "I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish Church, by the Roman Church, by the Greek Church, by the Turkish Church, by the Protestant Church, nor by any Church that I know of. My own mind is my own Church. Each of those churches accuse the other of unbelief; and for my own part, I disbelieve them all."- Thomas Paine

                                                        "Take away from Genesis the belief that Moses was the author, on which only the strange belief that it is the word of God has stood, and there remains nothing of Genesis but an anonymous book of stories, fables, and traditionary or invented absurdities, or of downright lies."- Thomas Paine

                                                        Right-wingers are idiots ... they don't know their own countries history, and can't comprehend science.
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                                                        • TheRifleman
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by SportsInteLect
                                                          You are correct. The phrase "separation of church and state" itself does not appear in the United States Constitution. Thomas Jefferson and James Madison, two founding fathers of the United States, are responsible for the phrase "separation of church and state."

                                                          Madison wrote, and he declared, "practical distinction between Religion and Civil Government is essential to the purity of both, and as guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States."

                                                          Madison further expanded, "We are teaching the world the great truth that Govts. do better without Kings & Nobles than with them. When the First Amendment of the United States Constitution was written, founding father James Madison, the primary author, intended the First Amendment of the United States to be interpreted as separation of church and state.

                                                          Madison's biggest mistake was not being more elaborate for idiots to understand.

                                                          The school is funded by the state and that means it receives government support. Government cannot support religious institutions. Government supported schools cannot be turned into parochial schools. Christian conservative terrorists need to realize that no one is stopping parents from enrolling their children into parochial schools.

                                                          There is a war going on between people with superb cognitive skills that are open-minded, fair-minded, rational-thinking, critical-thinking, evidence-based intellectuals vs primitive-retarded-right-wing neanderthals.

                                                          Lets lake a look at what some of the key Founding Fathers, Thomas Paine, John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, and Thomas Jefferson, who constructed the Declaration of Independence and the United States Constitution, had to say about religion ...

                                                          "In the affairs of the world, men are saved not by faith, but by the lack of it."- Ben Franklin

                                                          "Of all the tyrannies that affect mankind, tyranny in religion is the worst."- Thomas Paine

                                                          "This would be the best of all possible worlds if there were no religion in it"- John Adams

                                                          "All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit."- Thomas Paine

                                                          "And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with all this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this the most venerated reformer of human errors."- Thomas Jefferson

                                                          "I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish Church, by the Roman Church, by the Greek Church, by the Turkish Church, by the Protestant Church, nor by any Church that I know of. My own mind is my own Church. Each of those churches accuse the other of unbelief; and for my own part, I disbelieve them all."- Thomas Paine

                                                          "Take away from Genesis the belief that Moses was the author, on which only the strange belief that it is the word of God has stood, and there remains nothing of Genesis but an anonymous book of stories, fables, and traditionary or invented absurdities, or of downright lies."- Thomas Paine

                                                          Right-wingers are idiots ... they don't know their own countries history, and can't comprehend science.
                                                          you're an absolute dumb-ass, leftist clown of the HIGHEST ORDER...

                                                          Kids standing in a circle silently giving thanks to their maker for whatever reason, is not "supporting religious institutions"...YOU IDIOT.

                                                          The First Amendment prohibits the federal government from making a law "respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" There is no question these outstanding young men are being deprived of their 'free exercise'.

                                                          How sick and deluded are you leftists dirt-bags???

                                                          Don't answer...we already know...........AND WILL DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT... SHORTLY.
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                                                          • SamDiamond
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                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by TheRifleman
                                                            you're an absolute dumb-ass, leftist clown of the HIGHEST ORDER...

                                                            Kids standing in a circle silently giving thanks to their maker for whatever reason, is not "supporting religious institutions"...YOU IDIOT.

                                                            The First Amendment prohibits the federal government from making a law "respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" There is no question these outstanding young men are being deprived of their 'free exercise'.

                                                            How sick and deluded are you leftists dirt-bags???

                                                            Don't answer...we already know...........AND WILL DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT... SHORTLY.
                                                            Let me ask you a question retard.

                                                            If a muslim kid scored a touchdown and pulled out a prayer mat and started to pray to Allah in the endzone, would you have a problem with that?

                                                            You would be calling for the kid to be beheaded.

                                                            I'm guessing the only reason you are worked up is because your golden goose is Jesus, and you're just pissy because not everyone believes in your version of the end/of/times.
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                                                            • TheRifleman
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                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by SamDiamond
                                                              Let me ask you a question retard.

                                                              If a muslim kid scored a touchdown and pulled out a prayer mat and started to pray to Allah in the endzone, would you have a problem with that?

                                                              You would be calling for the kid to be beheaded.

                                                              I'm guessing the only reason you are worked up is because your golden goose is Jesus, and you're just pissy because not everyone believes in your version of the end/of/times.
                                                              I would have no problem with a Muslim after the game ends praying to his god with his teammates.
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                                                              • SamDiamond
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by TheRifleman
                                                                I would have no problem with a Muslim after the game ends praying to his god with his teammates.
                                                                How about Satanists? Would you let them pull out a pentagram and start thanking beelzebub for their 200 yard rushing performance?
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                                                                • TheRifleman
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by SamDiamond
                                                                  How about Satanists? Would you let them pull out a pentagram and start thanking beelzebub for their 200 yard rushing performance?
                                                                  yeah, of course I would. Why do you ask?
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                                                                  • SamDiamond
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by TheRifleman
                                                                    yeah, of course I would. Why do you ask?
                                                                    Then why warn everyone about jesus and god?

                                                                    If you don't have an issue with anyone practicing satanism, no need to warn us all of God smiting us.
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                                                                    • TheRifleman
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Moron......I don't get it. You atheists/leftists " don't care about gay marriage"...."it has no affect on my life, who cares" so, then, why would people praying to their GOD, have an affect on your life? Why are you for taking rights away from people,especially good people??

                                                                      Why are you so against people having faith in GOD.

                                                                      Why is it so threatening to you??
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