2 large explosions near finish line of Boston Marathon

[brooks85]

it would make sense to rob a 7/11 if you're a suspect and you need cash, it's very common practice for people on the run to rob places for quick cash to escape

[TheRifleman]

hope they catch this kid so they can torture some info. out of him..oh, wait, the liberals don't believe in torture....they think offering him sugar-free cookies will make them cough up their terrorist plans and designs...

WHAT MORONS...lol.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/10/ali-soufan-book-review

What is the best way to break a terrorist? Waterboarding? Stress positions? What about pizza, ice cream, or sugar-free cookies?

The most surprising element of former FBI interrogator Ali Soufan's memoir, The Black Banners: The Inside Story of 9/11 and the War Against al-Qaeda, is how receptive terrorists are to food. When Soufan takes L'Houssaine Kherchtou, an Al Qaeda fixer, out for pizza, Khertchou tells him he's "not an Al Qaeda guy anymore." Mohamed Rashed Daoud al-Owhali, who helped facilitate the bombing of the American embassy in Nairobi in 1998, spills the beans after being plied with cookies and Meals Ready to Eat. Tariq el-Sawah, captured at Tora Bora and currently detained at Guantanamo Bay, has a fondness for ice cream. And in the desperate hours immediately following the 9/11 attacks, Soufan wears down the diabetic Abu Jandal, a former bodyguard for Osama bin Laden, with sugarless cookies, establishing that Al Qaeda was indeed responsible for the 9/11 attacks.


There are other levers Soufan uses, of course, to get information out of his subjects. Khertchou is furious over bin Laden's refusal to pay for his wife's cesarean section. Owhali is overwhelmed by the quality of information the FBI has assembled. Abu Jandal, despite his fondness for bin Laden, is shocked at the scale of the attacks—particularly after Soufan manipulates him into believing that hundreds of Yemenis died in the assault on the towers. Soufan also exploits regional resentments between Al Qaeda members; the "Gulf Arabs" were frequently resentful of Egyptian members' superior influence and financial benefits, to the point that Al Qaeda would divide into Egyptian and Gulf teams for their Friday soccer games. Soufan leverages their ignorance of the Koran and uses their fidelity to extremist ideology to manipulate them into talking.


Because Soufan played a key role in investigating Al Qaeda's most successful strikes against the United States, from the East Africa embassy bombings to the 9/11 attacks, his account reads a bit like a first-person version of Lawrence Wright's The Looming Tower, a definitive book on bin Laden's terrorist movement in which Soufan figures prominently. A Lebanese immigrant and self-identified "fraternity boy," Soufan applied to the FBI armed with knowledge of Arabic, Islam, and the Middle East that would make him a crucial part of the bureau beginning in the late 1990s. His reliance on traditional methods of interrogation put him at odds with the brutal tactics implemented by the Bush administration after 9/11.

In 2009, having since retired, Soufan came forward as a key opponent of torturing suspected terrorists.

Through newspaper op-eds and congressional testimony, he argued that torture was useless, and that the

Bush administration had claimed credit for intelligence he himself had acquired without torture in order to retroactively justify its tactics. Soufan, who writes his book that he preferred Bush over Gore and identified with the "strong national security approach to the GOP," quickly became a target for the political right because of his opposition to torture. Soufan's criticism of the CIA, meanwhile, is reportedly the reason for the book's lengthy redactions of information that is already public knowledge.

offer them food..omg...

[brooks85]

lol food, as long as it works

[PAULYPOKER]

11:21 AM
corinne_perkins @corinne_perkins
Worth reading this @Reuters story from August t.co on what's fuelling the jihad in Russia's Caucasus

[shari91]

it would make sense to rob a 7/11 if you're a suspect and you need cash, it's very common practice for people on the run to rob places for quick cash to escape

But if you make bombs and plan to murder people at the Boston Marathon you don't make sure you have cash beforehand? That's where I'm confused. They planned the bombing, they planned to do some more bombing tonight but they didn't bother to think about having some loot? WTF. That's what makes me wonder if they really are just some disgruntled fukwits. Cells are smarter than this, no?

[Vegas39]

But if you make bombs and plan to murder people at the Boston Marathon you don't make sure you have cash beforehand? That's where I'm confused. They planned the bombing, they planned to do some more bombing tonight but they didn't bother to think about having some loot? WTF. That's what makes me wonder if they really are just some disgruntled fukwits. Cells are smarter than this, no?

have to agree sure seems thinking on the fly.

[darkhat]

probably posted a thousand pages ago, but not gonna look

here is the police scanner everyone at ATS and everywhere else jerking off too

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/ma-rt-9-window-cam

[brooks85]

But if you make bombs and plan to murder people at the Boston Marathon you don't make sure you have cash beforehand? That's where I'm confused. They planned the bombing, they planned to do some more bombing tonight but they didn't bother to think about having some loot? WTF. That's what makes me wonder if they really are just some disgruntled fukwits. Cells are smarter than this, no?

yea that's good point, why wouldnt you empty your bank accounts or gather any cash you had before hand

[shari91]

They were in the grey CRV before the 7-11 shooting.

[thes0vereign]

But if you make bombs and plan to murder people at the Boston Marathon you don't make sure you have cash beforehand? That's where I'm confused. They planned the bombing, they planned to do some more bombing tonight but they didn't bother to think about having some loot? WTF. That's what makes me wonder if they really are just some disgruntled fukwits. Cells are smarter than this, no?

The issue I have with believing this was a pre-planned strike by a terrorist cell is the lack of an "after-the-event" plan. It seems as if these guys genuinely believed they would not be caught, that there would be no way for anyone to prove they were involved.

[shari91]

probably posted a thousand pages ago, but not gonna look

here is the police scanner everyone at ATS and everywhere else jerking off too

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/ma-rt-9-window-cam

YESSSSSSSSSSSSS YOU BLOODY LEGEND!!!!!!!!

Everywhere else went offline after the cops told everyone to stop posting what they're saying online. This guy is rebroadcasting from his house!

I realise the chances are slim to zero that what we post is of any consequence to this fukkin kid but maybe let's delay things or remove specifics ie addresses, etc if we're going to post anything?

[Capybara]

probably posted a thousand pages ago, but not gonna look

here is the police scanner everyone at ATS and everywhere else jerking off too

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/ma-rt-9-window-cam

Is this live or old?

[PAULYPOKER]

11:33 AM
NewsBreaker @NewsBreaker
DEVELOPING: Anzor Tsarnaev, father of Boston bomb suspects says he believes secret services framed sons http://bbc.in/ZCaItU -- @BBCWorld

[Bostongambler]

CNN is so far behind on reporting news.

[shari91]

The issue I have with believing this was a pre-planned strike by a terrorist cell is the lack of an "after-the-event" plan. It seems as if these guys genuinely believed they would not be caught, that there would be no way for anyone to prove they were involved.

Yeah what you said makes sense. They could be part of an organisation as suggested by one of the government guys but just operating on their own. Like they thought they were acting in a way consistent of the organisation's beliefs or to make them proud but proper terrorists are smarter than this. No way would something like the IJU have a 'plan' as shoddy as this. Extremists either kill themselves at the time of the attack or gtfo. Not hang around the same bloody area, jacking 7/11s and multiple cars. Stupid.

[manny24]

darker gets it

[shari91]

Is this live or old?

live I assume

or at least i haven't heard any of this in the 9+ hours I was listening tonight so maybe just delayed by a bit if anything?

[Bostongambler]

When they carjacked that guy last night and used his ATM to take out money kind of tells me they are not funded by any group. Just fuked up losers I must say.

[Wilfred]

Can't see him getting out alive unfortunately

[brooks85]

mechanic said they rolled with other foreigners who all drove nice cars... more suspects to add to the list. Hopefully mechanic has all their info.

[InTheDrink]

darker gets it

[PaperTrail07]

The whole situation is very very odd.....Planned a bombing but NO escape plan, no cash....they could have been on a plane out of NY in no time...ect.....

I believe these guys are somewhat dumb...felt invincible like they wouldnt get caught...then freaked when exposed....with the internet these days anyone can learn to make a bomb...

The MOTIVE however remains 100% unknown...and thats the scary part...why the boston marathon?? Are you part of some dumb ass crew setting up to do the same thing?? Usually takes more than 2 people to plan something like that you would think...

...it just gets you thinking what was their goal....why there...why in general...

[Russian Rocket]

drinker gets it

[Bostongambler]

What came of that amtrak train that they stopped?

[Brebos]

It's a set up

[Bostongambler]

Circle of helecopters flying above me now

[Vegas39]

Circle of helecopters flying above me now

I may of missed it but how close are you to all this happening now

[Smoke]

Darker gets it

[rcene]

Like how the uncle said thank you. Now please get off my driveway

[PAULYPOKER]

11:43 AM
The Boston Globe @BostonGlobe
MT @martinepowers: First time in recent memory that the T has ever been shut down for anything other than weather. Not even on 9/11.

[shari91]

Andrew Kaczynski <s style="color: rgb(187, 187, 187); text-decoration: none;">@</s>BuzzFeedAndrew<small style="color: rgb(187, 187, 187); font-size: 12px; margin-top: 1px; float: right; position: relative;" class="time">21m</small>

Uncle of Boston bombers: "What I think was behind it. BEING LOSERS."

Andrew Kaczynski <s style="color: rgb(187, 187, 187); text-decoration: none;">@</s>BuzzFeedAndrew<small style="color: rgb(187, 187, 187); font-size: 12px; margin-top: 1px; float: right; position: relative;" class="time">18m</small>

Uncle of bombers: "If you are alive turn yourself in and ask forgiveness from the victims, from the injured."

[zizoudane10]

We have 4 robots operating on him right now. Well, that's a lot of robots.

[PAULYPOKER]

11:47 AM
Ben Berkowitz @BerkowitzRtrs
Hazmat units now on scene at family apartment in Cambridge with picks, axes and what looks like an "electronic nose" device

[shari91]

For anyone who has stayed up all night or bothered to read this massive thread, remember like 7 hours ago when they found the cab with the white guy and 2 middle eastern guys and the police thought they might have the suspect, pictures were being sent for ID confirmation and we were all cheering in here? Getting impatient waiting for them to confirm the ID? Yeah seems like a fukkin lifetime ago

[Bostongambler]

Saying he ran over his brothers body when he was on ground to set off explosives.