Let's call this Twhining.Originally Posted by PromiseLand
This experiment may not last the rest of the year.
As a (now former) Twitter shareholder: thank you for the bailout, Elon.
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11-04-22 10:00 AM #71
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11-04-22 10:05 AM #72
People don't care if its costs $8 to get the check mark thing. They care because anyone can get it.
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11-04-22 10:10 AM #73
I wish he would block every account that Democrats have? That ln no way has anything to do with free speech! He has a company he should be able to run it! I used to think a lot of posters here that are GOP supporters, no matter what they say or do(a strong American would never do this on either side)that call themselves Patriots have no idea what free speech is! Originally Posted by RoyBacon
A company in no way in this country can take your free speech unless you let them! Newspapers, radio, and TV been limiting who and what content is on their platform for over 230 years starting with newspapers. Then radio and TV followed suite internet big social media should be no different!
Roy you have no idea what flree speech is! That being said I have no idea of your IQ.Last edited by jackpot269; 11-04-22 at 10:14 AM.
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11-04-22 10:15 AM #74
I have no problem with private companies using propaganda for political purposes like Twitter did in 2020. Originally Posted by jackpot269
KVB states "free speech" is a legal term and argues it's a Constitutional term which it is.
It's also a marketing term. Musk will allow his version of free speech. The market will determine if that is acceptable.Points Awarded:
DwightShrute gave RoyBacon 1 Betpoint(s) for this post.
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11-04-22 11:01 AM #75
Didn't take long for the MAGAmorons to turn. Nothing's gonna change cuz the morons are still morons. Trump ain't gonna join cuz he doesn't wanna be fact-checked by Elon.
Elon has no idea. Y’all are so excited but there’s ZERO chance The System would actually allow an open forum of free speech. You think they’ve gained this much control just to hand some back over? Grow up. No chance.
— Jesse Kelly (@JesseKellyDC) November 3, 2022
Exhibit A: https://t.co/KzlZcFGQYI pic.twitter.com/OjY4Z5Zf5t
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11-04-22 11:06 AM #76
I think there is more to it than that, but that is reasonable. Originally Posted by RoyBacon
Just because I disagree with how nbc handles their news covage is not going to stop me from watching the big football game on there channel this weekend!
I may not even watch the news so that would give you misleading numbers.
I say that because I know people that love Twitter and have no idea what a ballot looks like!
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11-04-22 12:35 PM #77
A better example is CNN. They went all in on the Russia propaganda hoax and went from a global leader to a fire sale victim. Originally Posted by jackpot269
ABC, NBC & CBS combined do not equal Fox which didn't even exist 30 years ago. Musk is trying to have a town hall that respects all voices. Will it work? Probably.
This website has their version of, let's call it "acceptable free speech".(that better KVB?)
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11-04-22 07:44 PM #78
.@elonmusk at today's staff meeting...������ pic.twitter.com/u93jZM1qDl
— il Donaldo Trumpo (@PapiTrumpo) November 4, 2022
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11-04-22 07:53 PM #79
Lol what is a Russian propaganda hoax.. Originally Posted by RoyBacon
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11-04-22 07:54 PM #80
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11-04-22 07:58 PM #81
Richest man in the world getting shit on by 20-something former bartender turned US Rep... too funny. Twitter will be gone in 2 years..
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11-04-22 09:23 PM #82
...the right has gone through that for years....your turn.
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11-05-22 12:28 AM #83
CNN is not really a good example, of what I was saying, they are just a political news station now days! Thay have not much else to offer! Originally Posted by RoyBacon
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11-05-22 08:21 AM #84
They have been for ever. The problem isn't their political leanings so much as it is them claiming to be something different. We are all biased. CNN lies. They fabricate stories. Their contributors are racist and race hustlers. Originally Posted by jackpot269
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11-05-22 08:29 AM #85
OK Originally Posted by DwightShrute
I'll try another way! Twitter has more on it than just all the political stuff! That's is as simple as I can put it trying to use an example failed
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11-05-22 08:34 AM #86
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11-05-22 08:35 AM #87
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11-05-22 09:13 AM #88
Twitter employees sued because Twitter violated laws, not because it's unfair. Originally Posted by DwightShrute
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11-05-22 10:30 AM #89
Originally Posted by RoyBacon
No, none of that is better. Originally Posted by RoyBacon
You are just misusing the "Free Speech" and trying to rationalize it. I don't know why, maybe you don't knok better. It looks like your doing so because you have some kind of bias towards Twitter or Musk.
Stay objective and respect the real "Free Speech" and don't pretend someone's "version of Free Speech" is somehow anywhere near the euqivalent of the "Free Speech" everyone knows is in the Constiution.
It's just wrong and perpetuating a political propaganda spit forth by individuals and networks that were upset some for violating Twitters then in place user agreement and Terms of Service.
It's not rocket science, it's not even sports betting, it's television spreading and you guys repeating propaganda.
To many of us, who see the propaganda for what it is, it's just an insult to our intelligence.Nomination(s):This post was nominated 1 time . To view the nominated thread please click here. People who nominated: Thor4140
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11-05-22 10:42 AM #90
Just take this Musk case. We knew he was full of shit and trying to manipulate the Twitter price as it tanked, as did most things, during the transaction period.
This news about Musk and Twitter was constantly misrepresented, especially on Fox, as Fox didn't like Twitter. Even the business news lied about Twitter and their filings.
At one point people are on Fox Business News, the actual business news, claiming Musk would win his lawsuit without a doubt. The facts presented always dubious because he never had a chance.
Remember, Fox didn't like Twitter because of their TOS which Fox, and later Trump, claimed to be a violation of "Free Speech"....and thus the "Free Speech" propaganda began.
But Fox business news really screwed up, literally lying about the business news to make Twitter look bad several days in a row, I watched them do it.
So many out there think Musk was in some battle of bots and due dilignece and that was a basically a lie. As far as I know, Twitter's SEC filing were never touched or considered incorrect.
Musk was lying. Notice when it came time to act in court, Musk backed down and said he would buy. But what did Twitter say? They told the judge it was more antics by Musk and he should still be compelled, in case he goes against his word again.
It's no mystery Musk was fukking around here and in my opinion should be in trouble for his attempted market manipulation.
I guess that is more for the stock thread but clearly posters needed a review on how the term "free speech" even became a thing with Twitters moderation. It was nothing more than propaganda.
Anyone still trying to creat a "Free Speech" or "version of Free Speech" may not realize that this propaganda is why they are saying it.
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11-05-22 10:55 AM #91
For the sake of America please don't interchange Twitter's moderation policies with anything remotely considered "Free Speech".
There is no world where that is correct and, quite the opposite, it was intentionally placed in your heads to give it more significance that it really has with twitter.
Isn't there anyone out here in SBR land that is objective? Anyone that can own a political stance or ideology and still recognize, not just for the other side, but the ridiculoussness that there own political machine brings?
Anyone recognize when propaganda is being thrust upon you? Seems like we are in camps of misinformation and the politicians would much rather run on that than the alternative.
In the US, we have Free Speech. It's obvious by the amount of political, public health and science mis and dis information that gets published constantly, with no gov't repercussions. There are consequences to what you say, but that isn't a Free Speech thing.
The spreading of that disinformation isn't the fault of Free Speech, it's the fault of our education system.
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11-05-22 11:04 AM #92
You really don't know do you? Not everything that's for certain. You can speculate of course, but unless you can read minds, you really don't know do you? Originally Posted by KVB
The fact is, things like this go on a lot during business dealings such as buying companies and takeovers etc. We just don't hear about them like we do with Musk and Twitter because of all the political and free speech tentacles that comes with it.
Speaking of propaganda. Just imagine if the MSM and social media talked as passionately about the millions of people breaking the laws of the United States by entering the country illegally and this government not doing anything about it as they did about Twitter and Musk. Well, unless 50 illegals are sent to Martha's Vineyard.
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11-05-22 11:32 AM #93
No, you can really know. Those of us who have dealt with, actively invested in, and been a part of these deals (I used to work at an inestment bank) do know. Originally Posted by DwightShrute
The great thing about knowing something is that you can tell when others are full of shit.
Maybe that's what you don't get. It's a huge strategy on both sides to muddy the waters and pretend like things aren't clear.
But those in these businesses know how it works and it's obvious when the cable entertainment propaganda channels are bulshitting.
Those are facts, not speculation.
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11-05-22 11:35 AM #94
I hear about the border all the time. Every single day. It's non stop has been for decades and the noise always gets louder when elections draw near. Originally Posted by DwightShrute
Again, these are facts.
The border is an intentional kick the can down the road issue becuase it's an effective campaign issue. Trump knew this and took it to a whole nutha campaign level...even had a focus of a wall with a slogan and everything. He knew he could pander, so he did.
It's effective and it seems it will always be a campaign issue. In my lifetime it always has been with no real legislation to deal with it. We've only seen executive orders and lawsuits, which lead to nothing. They know this.
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11-05-22 11:38 AM #95
Musk going to try to make a social issue out of this.
There's profit in uniting people and when you can't get that for the profit of dividing people. We all know that's a big business...
Dear @elonmusk:
— ���� Mike Davis ���� (@mrddmia) November 4, 2022
You have nearly 114,000,000 Twitter followers.
Name and shame the advertisers who are succumbing to the advertiser boycotts.
So we can counter-boycott them.
And get your $8 monthly subscription going asap.
So we can start to makeup for lost revenue now. https://t.co/0IAKTnXTes
Thank you.
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) November 4, 2022
A thermonuclear name & shame is exactly what will happen if this continues.Points Awarded:
DwightShrute gave KVB 1 Betpoint(s) for this post.
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11-05-22 11:40 AM #96
There is nothing better than waking up and enjoying a fresh, steaming cup of my own urine. Such a tangy way to start the day, and it’s scientifically proven to help brain cells grow. If you want to be like me, drink your pee.
— Elon Musk (@ChrisWarcraft) November 4, 2022
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11-05-22 11:42 AM #97
That's like saying you know how good a specific restaurant in Italy is because you delivered pizzas once, bought food yourself numerous times and have eaten Italian food on occasion. Originally Posted by KVB
You know very little about this Twitter deal. Very few do.
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11-05-22 12:01 PM #98
One last thing and then my break is over.
(Sometimes, like the first hour of the stock market, we consider the first hour of Saturday trading as an "amateur" hour and absorb info after that. That's whay I mean by my break.)
After Musk bought twitter a lot of major companies pulled their advertising. Companies like General Mills, General Motors, VW, and Pfizer were big contributors.
Musk has promised activists and the corporations that he wouldn't just let anything go. He wants to do good...
But some of these companies are nervous, banned people are asking to come back and users tested the moderation with an uptick in "hate speech"
I think he might win them back if he just keeps things a little under control, without things like election and COVID misinformation, which along with hate speech can scare the advertisers.
Otherwise he's going to have to coutner boycott, causing division, when he intitially, in that article above, said he wanted to avoid this...
Right now Musk is all over the board, but I don't blame him. He overpaid for Twitter and once he aquired it he lost a lot in ad revenue. Thus charging a monthly fee. Twitter's revenue is like 90% advertising, so they need it or they need to change the model.“There is currently great danger that social media will splinter into far right wing and far left wing echo chambers that generate more hate and divide our society.”
But these advertsisers aren't really losing out if they stick with the current decision to suspend advertising and cut it altogether permanently. It's not that big of a platform for them. Google, Amazon, and Meta make up some 75% of digital ads. All other platforms combined account for the other 25%.
To give an idea, it's projected (by Insider Intelligence) that of the worldwide digital ad spending for 2022 Meta will account for more than 21% while Twitter at less than 1% at 0.9%.
It's a place to advertise but these big corporation do have elsewhere to turn.
Twitter might feel some pain but I'm sure Elon will continue to keep them in the news and try to leverage the popularity somehow.
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11-05-22 12:05 PM #99
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11-05-22 12:06 PM #100
No, it's not like saying that...LMAO, it's what I said about facts and knowledge of industries, there's no need change that. Originally Posted by DwightShrute
And of course we know a ton about the deal, not everything, but that's not relevant.
What we did have access to were the complaints made by Musk, Twitter's responses, and the info from the courts. There was a lot of transpaerency and a lot of accusations, but Musk was just trying to manipulate things. None of this had to do with the actual deal and details of the deal that are confidential, so knowledge of those details are not relevant here.
There was never any real threat to the Twitter accounting of bots as far as SEC filings were concernced, never, despite what all the media liked to report.
The media humors Musk a lot, just like they are now, keeping Twitter in the news. He needs that right now.
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11-05-22 02:00 PM #101
So if Elon Musk hires back everyone that he just fired, would he have created jobs?
— Maze (@mazemoore) November 5, 2022
The Biden Admin says yes.
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11-05-22 04:51 PM #102
Originally Posted by d2bets
If a duhwit meme was posted, it must be true.
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11-05-22 04:54 PM #103
Originally Posted by PromiseLand
How many dumb wingers are gonna start peeing into their own mouths.
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11-06-22 08:10 AM #104
How did this work out? pic.twitter.com/10GPfJnzqx
— James Woods (@RealJamesWoods) November 5, 2022
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11-06-22 05:19 PM #105
Musketeer tryna turn Twitter into unTruth Social 2.0
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