it has been a while

dante1 · 09-10-22, 05:43 PM

how many of the crazies will understand the sentence above that reads...highest murder rate. I mean what do those three words actually mean. I guarantee you if I question mr dwight or mr slew concerning that sentence they would not know.

you wanna bet?

dante1 · 09-10-22, 05:51 PM

they are unable to add, subtract, multiply and divide. they can't explain percentages and you think they will know what the term...murder rate means. not a chance in the universe.

but, but my friends they have every solution to every political problem. lol. they neither understand political systems or economic systems. one can't write a check, report on a book. but that lad loves to rob intellectual property and claim it as his own. we got a bunch of genius minds living on a gambling forum night and day, day and night but reading a book, attempting to understand basic principles of every discipline known to man. nope, that is big no.

their primary goal is to pretend, pretend and pretend in the vain hope somebody, anybody will believe they finished Jr high. no luck so far.

dante1 · 09-10-22, 06:00 PM

back to this thread. if you research you will find every single red state at the bottom of the country in most areas of human need and comfort. it isn't 50% or 75% it is close to 100% of red states failing in one or more, usually more, categories of human standard of living. could that be an anomaly? well, first the crazies will need to look up that word. and allow me to answer that question. of course not, an anomaly happens rarely. their failures have been occurring since forever. we are talking about decades and decades of red state failures.

maybe you think I am lying or BS. tell you what search it yourself. and these clowns, these educationally starved poor souls want to convince you about the quality of life provided by R. how about that for a laugh. bottom line my friends is how well do Americans live. right, that is what this life is all about. providing yourself and your family with a quality of life that is at least average and hopefully better than. if you live in a red state your chances are much less of reaching that plateau. that is a fact and it is qualified with year after year and decade after decade of R failure in most red states

DwightShrute · 09-10-22, 06:43 PM

Dishonest dante, you are committed to deception. Everyone knows this.

Cities With the Most Murders so Far This Year

https://247wallst.com/special-report...-this-year/10/

1. New Orleans, LA
> Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 44.0
> Total murders Jan. 1 – Aug. 14, 2022: 172
Mayor- democrat

2. Birmingham, AL
> Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 37.5
> Total murders Jan. 1 – Aug. 7, 2022: 79
- Mayor - Democrat

3. Baltimore, MD
> Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 36.2
> Total murders Jan. 1 – Aug. 6, 2022: 218
Mayor - Democrat

4. St Louis, MO
> Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 33.1
> Total murders Jan. 1 – July 31, 2022: 101
Mayor - Democrat

5. Flint, MI
> Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 25.0
> Total murders Jan. 1 – July 31, 2022: 24
Mayor - Democrat

6. Milwaukee, WI
> Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 25.0
> Total murders Jan. 1 – Aug. 9, 2022: 148
Mayor - Democrat

7. Little Rock, AR
> Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 24.7
> Total murders Jan. 1 – Aug. 8, 2022: 49
Mayor - Democrat

8. Cleveland, OH
> Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 23.5
> Total murders Jan. 1 – Aug. 6, 2022: 90
Mayor - Democrat

9. Rochester, NY
> Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 22.8
> Total murders Jan. 1 – Aug. 9, 2022: 47
> Population: 206,357
Mayor - Democrat

10. Philadelphia, PA
> Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 21.1
> Total murders Jan. 1 – Aug. 14, 2022: 334
> Population: 1,581,531
Mayor - Democrat

11. Kansas City, MO
> Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 20.6
> Total murders Jan. 1 – Aug. 15, 2022: 101
Mayor - democrat

12. Detroit, MI
> Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 19.8
> Total murders Jan. 1 – June 30, 2022: 133
Mayor - democrat

13. Atlanta, GA
> Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 19.1
> Total murders Jan. 1 – Aug. 6, 2022: 95
Mayor - democrat

14. Washington, DC
> Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 19.1
> Total murders Jan. 1 – Aug. 15, 2022: 134
Mayor - democrat

15. Memphis, TN
> Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 18.6
> Total murders Jan. 1 – June 30, 2022: 121
Mayor - Democrat

16. Oakland, CA
> Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 17.5
> Total murders Jan. 1 – Aug. 14, 2022: 74
Mayor - democrat

17. Louisville, KY
> Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 16.3
> Total murders Jan. 1 – Aug. 5, 2022: 101
Mayor - democrat

18. Richmond, VA
> Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 15.7
> Total murders Jan. 1 – Aug. 14, 2022: 36
Mayor - democrat

19. Buffalo, NY
> Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 15.6
> Total murders Jan. 1 – June 30, 2022: 40
Mayor until 2001 democrat and now he's an independent

20. Akron, OH
> Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 15.2
> Total murders Jan. 1 – July 31, 2022: 30
Mayor - democrat

21. Cincinnati, OH
> Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 14.9
> Total murders Jan. 1 – July 16, 2022: 45
Mayor- democrat

22. Chicago, IL
> Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 14.7
> Total murders Jan. 1 – Aug. 7, 2022: 396
Mayor - democrat

23. Savannah, GA
> Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 14.4
> Total murders Jan. 1 – Aug. 6, 2022: 21
Mayor - democrat

24. Indianapolis, IN
> Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 14.1
> Total murders Jan. 1 – Aug. 1, 2022: 123
Mayor - democrat

25. Albuquerque, NM
> Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 13.9
> Total murders Jan. 1 – Aug. 12, 2022: 78
Mayor - democrat

26. Minneapolis, MN
> Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 13.7
> Total murders Jan. 1 – Aug. 15, 2022: 58
Mayor - democrat

27. Shreveport, LA
> Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 13.2
> Total murders Jan. 1 – May 31, 2022: 25
Mayor - democrat

28. Pittsburgh, PA
> Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 12.3
> Total murders Jan. 1 – June 30, 2022: 37
Mayor - democrat

29. Las Vegas, NV
> Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 12.3
> Total murders Jan. 1 – Aug. 5, 2022: 79
Mayor before 2009 democrat and now she's an independent

30. Wilmington, DE
> Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 11.3
> Total murders Jan. 1 – July 31, 2022: 8
Mayor - democrat

31. Dallas, TX
> Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 11.0
> Total murders Jan. 1 – Aug. 15, 2022: 147
Mayor - democrat

32. Toledo, OH
> Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 10.9
> Total murders Jan. 1 – Aug. 2, 2022: 30
Mayor - democrat

33. Newark, NJ
> Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 10.6
> Total murders Jan. 1 – July 31, 2022: 30
Mayor - democrat

34. Nashville, TN
> Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 10.5
> Total murders Jan. 1 – Aug. 6, 2022: 70
Mayor - democrat

35. Tulsa, OK
> Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 10.2
> Total murders Jan. 1 – June 30, 2022: 41
Mayor - Republican

DwightShrute · 09-13-22, 08:07 PM

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jackpot269 · 09-13-22, 08:40 PM

Wow Chi town #22 I would have thought the windy city was #1 by what I read on a daily basis here at THE SBR.

Its amazing that anyone could say that the states, state police, governors and state legislators have no responsibility in the crime in there biggest cities, (regardless of party) Governers and state legislators campaign on lowing crime in every election, If its not there job, they should stop promising to do it, Laws and policy that have to do with crime is passed mostly at the state level not the local level.
I don't always agree with danta1, but was he being dishonest in his post? IF those numbers are correct its not deception.

DiggityDaggityDo · 09-13-22, 10:07 PM

Originally posted by jackpot269

Wow Chi town #22 I would have thought the windy city was #1 by what I read on a daily basis here at THE SBR.

Its amazing that anyone could say that the states, state police, governors and state legislators have no responsibility in the crime in there biggest cities, (regardless of party) Governers and state legislators campaign on lowing crime in every election, If its not there job, they should stop promising to do it, Laws and policy that have to do with crime is passed mostly at the state level not the local level.
I don't always agree with danta1, but was he being dishonest in his post? IF those numbers are correct its not deception.

Look at the TOTAL murders on that list.

Chicago is #1 for total murders from the cities on that list.

chico2663 · 09-13-22, 11:00 PM

Originally posted by dante1

since I reminded the crazies concerning the failure of red states and red state politicians. here is a beauty

the 8 states with the highest murder rate:

Mississippi - 20.50 per 100k.
Louisiana - 19.90 per 100k.
Alabama - 14.20 per 100k.
Missouri - 14 per 100k.
Arkansas - 13 per 100k.
South Carolina - 12.70 per 100k.
Tennessee - 11.50 per 100k.
Maryland - 11.40 per 100k.

mostly red right? the progressives and moderates deal primarily with facts. the above is a fact. a fact which proves red states are shit. the crazies deal with BS formulated via opinions and BS from Fox. you know the media giant who admitted in court they tell BS stories in order to protect fcker Carlson. remember that?

yesterday mr dwight attempted to pass off his nonsense as facts. when I asked him to produce the sentence that was factual--well you know.

fact--red states screw their citizens constantly via bad government from ahole R politicians. a fckin fact.

you know it isn't only violence and murder it is every single quality of life issue. the bottom of the barrel is red, always. facts my friends

Dude, Abbott is on t.v. Crying. I guess Beto has a chance.

chico2663 · 09-13-22, 11:04 PM

Originally posted by DwightShrute

Dishonest dante, you are committed to deception. Everyone knows this.

Cities With the Most Murders so Far This Year

Cities With the Most Murders so Far This Year

https://247wallst.com/special-report/2022/08/21/cities-with-the-most-murders-so-far-this-year/10/

DenisTangneyJr / iStock via Getty Images 5. Flint, MI > Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 25.0 > Total murders Jan. 1 – July 31, 2022: 24 > Population: 95,999 [in-text-ad] f11photo / iStock via Getty Images 4. St Louis, MO > Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 33.1 > Total murders Jan. 1 – July 31, ... Cities With the Most Murders so Far This Year

1. New Orleans, LA
> Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 44.0
> Total murders Jan. 1 – Aug. 14, 2022: 172
Mayor- democrat

2. Birmingham, AL
> Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 37.5
> Total murders Jan. 1 – Aug. 7, 2022: 79
- Mayor - Democrat

3. Baltimore, MD
> Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 36.2
> Total murders Jan. 1 – Aug. 6, 2022: 218
Mayor - Democrat

4. St Louis, MO
> Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 33.1
> Total murders Jan. 1 – July 31, 2022: 101
Mayor - Democrat

5. Flint, MI
> Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 25.0
> Total murders Jan. 1 – July 31, 2022: 24
Mayor - Democrat

6. Milwaukee, WI
> Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 25.0
> Total murders Jan. 1 – Aug. 9, 2022: 148
Mayor - Democrat

7. Little Rock, AR
> Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 24.7
> Total murders Jan. 1 – Aug. 8, 2022: 49
Mayor - Democrat

8. Cleveland, OH
> Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 23.5
> Total murders Jan. 1 – Aug. 6, 2022: 90
Mayor - Democrat

9. Rochester, NY
> Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 22.8
> Total murders Jan. 1 – Aug. 9, 2022: 47
> Population: 206,357
Mayor - Democrat

10. Philadelphia, PA
> Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 21.1
> Total murders Jan. 1 – Aug. 14, 2022: 334
> Population: 1,581,531
Mayor - Democrat

11. Kansas City, MO
> Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 20.6
> Total murders Jan. 1 – Aug. 15, 2022: 101
Mayor - democrat

12. Detroit, MI
> Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 19.8
> Total murders Jan. 1 – June 30, 2022: 133
Mayor - democrat

13. Atlanta, GA
> Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 19.1
> Total murders Jan. 1 – Aug. 6, 2022: 95
Mayor - democrat

14. Washington, DC
> Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 19.1
> Total murders Jan. 1 – Aug. 15, 2022: 134
Mayor - democrat

15. Memphis, TN
> Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 18.6
> Total murders Jan. 1 – June 30, 2022: 121
Mayor - Democrat

16. Oakland, CA
> Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 17.5
> Total murders Jan. 1 – Aug. 14, 2022: 74
Mayor - democrat

17. Louisville, KY
> Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 16.3
> Total murders Jan. 1 – Aug. 5, 2022: 101
Mayor - democrat

18. Richmond, VA
> Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 15.7
> Total murders Jan. 1 – Aug. 14, 2022: 36
Mayor - democrat

19. Buffalo, NY
> Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 15.6
> Total murders Jan. 1 – June 30, 2022: 40
Mayor until 2001 democrat and now he's an independent

20. Akron, OH
> Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 15.2
> Total murders Jan. 1 – July 31, 2022: 30
Mayor - democrat

21. Cincinnati, OH
> Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 14.9
> Total murders Jan. 1 – July 16, 2022: 45
Mayor- democrat

22. Chicago, IL
> Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 14.7
> Total murders Jan. 1 – Aug. 7, 2022: 396
Mayor - democrat

23. Savannah, GA
> Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 14.4
> Total murders Jan. 1 – Aug. 6, 2022: 21
Mayor - democrat

24. Indianapolis, IN
> Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 14.1
> Total murders Jan. 1 – Aug. 1, 2022: 123
Mayor - democrat

25. Albuquerque, NM
> Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 13.9
> Total murders Jan. 1 – Aug. 12, 2022: 78
Mayor - democrat

26. Minneapolis, MN
> Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 13.7
> Total murders Jan. 1 – Aug. 15, 2022: 58
Mayor - democrat

27. Shreveport, LA
> Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 13.2
> Total murders Jan. 1 – May 31, 2022: 25
Mayor - democrat

28. Pittsburgh, PA
> Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 12.3
> Total murders Jan. 1 – June 30, 2022: 37
Mayor - democrat

29. Las Vegas, NV
> Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 12.3
> Total murders Jan. 1 – Aug. 5, 2022: 79
Mayor before 2009 democrat and now she's an independent

30. Wilmington, DE
> Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 11.3
> Total murders Jan. 1 – July 31, 2022: 8
Mayor - democrat

31. Dallas, TX
> Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 11.0
> Total murders Jan. 1 – Aug. 15, 2022: 147
Mayor - democrat

32. Toledo, OH
> Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 10.9
> Total murders Jan. 1 – Aug. 2, 2022: 30
Mayor - democrat

33. Newark, NJ
> Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 10.6
> Total murders Jan. 1 – July 31, 2022: 30
Mayor - democrat

34. Nashville, TN
> Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 10.5
> Total murders Jan. 1 – Aug. 6, 2022: 70
Mayor - democrat

35. Tulsa, OK
> Murders YTD per 100,000 people: 10.2
> Total murders Jan. 1 – June 30, 2022: 41
Mayor - Republican

God you are stupid. Ohio is Republican
Since 1991 they had 4 yrs of democratic rule. They produce gym jordon. Many other morons. It isn’t if a city is democratically run but the governor. It is why Trump won so handily.

chico2663 · 09-13-22, 11:05 PM

Originally posted by DiggityDaggityDo

Look at the TOTAL murders on that list.

Chicago is #1 for total murders from the cities on that list.

Daggles it goes by how many people live there.

DwightShrute · 09-14-22, 08:47 AM

Originally posted by chico2663

God you are stupid. Ohio is Republican
Since 1991 they had 4 yrs of democratic rule. They produce gym jordon. Many other morons. It isn’t if a city is democratically run but the governor. It is why Trump won so handily.

Mayors! There are no Mayors of the entire State.

Your inability to understand what you read is amazing.

jackpot269 · 09-14-22, 10:06 AM

Originally posted by DiggityDaggityDo

Look at the TOTAL murders on that list.

Chicago is #1 for total murders from the cities on that list.

Wow 396 with Philly@ 334 didn't see anyone else in the 300's!
I didn't look @ the total first time thru.

I guess that's why I see so much about Chicago murders!
A few years ago I turn on the TV during the evening news it was on a Monday and they were reporting on 3 murders that weekend and 5 shootings since Thursday I was thinking what the hell is going on around here that's usually happens in about 6 months. Eight total shootings and they were not acting like it was abnormal, I realized about this time the TV was on WGN and not the
local news!

jackpot269 · 09-14-22, 10:21 AM

There may be some wrong information on the cities list it says Memphis (121 and #15) had more murders than Atlanta yet Atlanta (95 and #13) is higher on The list I know the population of Atlanta is more than Memphis which should make Memphis have a higher rate per 100,000

ericc · 09-14-22, 11:25 AM

Originally posted by jackpot269

There may be some wrong information on the cities list it says Memphis (121 and #15) had more murders than Atlanta yet Atlanta (95 and #13) is higher on The list I know the population of Atlanta is more than Memphis which should make Memphis have a higher rate per 100,000

Thank you jackpot269 for providing some much needed sanity.

Google Search

https://www.google.com/search?q=population+atlanta+memphis&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS1004US1004&oq=population+atlanta+memphis&aqs=chrome..69i57j33i160l2.11976j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

MaltedHopsFrenzy · 09-14-22, 12:45 PM

rkelly110 · 09-14-22, 03:24 PM

^^^Fail!

MaltedHopsFrenzy · 09-14-22, 04:07 PM

Originally posted by rkelly110

^^^Fail!

Nope, a good ‘FAIL’ would be being a disgusting pervert that sniffs his brother’s wife’s dildo.

THAT’S a FAIL…..

15805 · 09-14-22, 09:41 PM

Originally posted by DwightShrute

Mayors! There are no Mayors of the entire State.

Your inability to understand what you read is amazing.

The poster you are replying to doesn’t seem overly concerned about the lack of reality
in his posts!

dante1 · 09-15-22, 07:02 AM

Originally posted by jackpot269

Wow Chi town #22 I would have thought the windy city was #1 by what I read on a daily basis here at THE SBR.

Its amazing that anyone could say that the states, state police, governors and state legislators have no responsibility in the crime in there biggest cities, (regardless of party) Governers and state legislators campaign on lowing crime in every election, If its not there job, they should stop promising to do it, Laws and policy that have to do with crime is passed mostly at the state level not the local level.
I don't always agree with danta1, but was he being dishonest in his post? IF those numbers are correct its not deception.

unlike the crazies you will never, ever find a lie in any of my posts. I have challenged the crazies over and over...find one lie and I will resign from SBR. no need to lie when you are dealing with crazy people. the actual truth is always worse. I will write to you what I write to every person concerning R states. do the research on your own, it ain't difficult. take an issue such as violence, low education, health care and research how the states perform. you will discover for yourself the red states are on the bottom.

dante1 · 09-15-22, 07:30 AM

health care, check out the numbers

2022 Scorecard on State Health System Performance

https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/scorecard/2022/jun/2022-scorecard-state-health-system-performance

The 2022 Scorecard provides insights on health system performance by state. Discover key metrics and trends impacting healthcare quality during COVID-19.

dante1 · 09-15-22, 07:33 AM

education, expand the list bottom 10, 9 reds I believe, maybe 8

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/education

dante1 · 09-15-22, 07:34 AM

you select the issue and research it you will find the same results. bottom of the barrel courtesy of state politicians. they see the problem and never even attempt to remedy the problem. decades of incompetence and corruption.

dante1 · 09-15-22, 07:37 AM

alcohol

bottom 10, again mostly red

These are America’s drunkest states

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/03/08/these-americas-drunkest-states/406342002/

Nationwide, 18% of American adults drink an excessive amount of alcohol.

dante1 · 09-15-22, 07:38 AM

drug addiction

https://wallethub.com/edu/drug-use-by-state/35150

same story, bottom 10 mostly red.

dante1 · 09-15-22, 07:40 AM

cigarette smoking

States with the highest smoking rates U.S. 2024| Statista

https://www.statista.com/statistics/261595/us-states-with-highest-smoking-rates-among-adults/

In the U.S. state with the most smokers around 20 percent of the population smokes. Arkansas is currently the state with the second highest smoking rate.

and again

dante1 · 09-15-22, 07:44 AM

rape

Forcible rape rate by state U.S. 2023| Statista

https://www.statista.com/statistics/232563/forcible-rape-rate-in-the-us-by-state/

Alaska saw the highest rape rate in the United States in 2023, with 118.4 rapes per 100,000 inhabitants.

dante1 · 09-15-22, 07:48 AM

it is a never ending story. some crazies want to turn this into a city thing. no, this is a state thing. cities can have huge variations in good results and bad results. the state figures are more indicative of what is happening in a much larger population. the red states offer their citizens all bad.

Chico, are you just discovering the stupidity of mr dwight? the dumbest creature on the planet.

dante1 · 09-15-22, 07:59 AM

Originally posted by jackpot269

There may be some wrong information on the cities list it says Memphis (121 and #15) had more murders than Atlanta yet Atlanta (95 and #13) is higher on The list I know the population of Atlanta is more than Memphis which should make Memphis have a higher rate per 100,000

did mr dwight print this material. if so, that creature does not understand the word 'rate'. literally he cannot talk to you concerning rate it is a mystery. I discovered that years ago when he did not know what 5.5% means, he cannot read an analog clock, he can't add, can't make change. the creature has never read one book in his entire life.

but, he has all the political answers. lol, doesn't understand the most elementary Econ, or political/economic systems. thinks the Caribbean is an ocean. that list is endless also

Auto Donk · 09-15-22, 08:18 AM

it's been a while since I saw incestuous pedo joe robinette the rapist biden sniff a little girl in public...... you know his addiction to little kids is eating at him......

DiggityDaggityDo · 09-15-22, 08:26 AM

Originally posted by dante1

alcohol

bottom 10, again mostly red

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...tes/406342002/

I’m seeing 5 red and 5 blue.

Or am I missing something here?

Were you looking at the states with the lowest levels of adults who drink heavily?

Because thats 8 red, 2 blue.

dante1 · 09-15-22, 08:37 AM

Originally posted by DiggityDaggityDo

I’m seeing 5 red and 5 blue.

Or am I missing something here?

Were you looking at the states with the lowest levels of adults who drink heavily?

Because thats 8 red, 2 blue.

let me check it out I could have made an error.

dante1 · 09-15-22, 08:38 AM

we are talking alcohol right

check it out again as soon as you log in they start with state 50 and continue. I think mostly red.

dante1 · 09-15-22, 08:40 AM

sorry you are correct. I was traveling in the wrong direction.

dante1 · 09-15-22, 08:44 AM

with the help of DDD we finally found an issue in which the red states might be comparable to blue. I guess it is the exception that proves the rule.