explain the practice of chip dumping?

**MrX** · 03-14-06, 06:10 PM

Pags, you intentionally lose money to another player at the poker table. This other player is either yourself with another account or someone with whom you have an agreement. It could be done because you made an electronic deposit that you know won't clear the bank or to avoid a rollover requirement or maybe some other nefarious reason that I'm not clever enough to think of.

**MetraDynamix** · 03-14-06, 06:12 PM

Would this not also somewhat increase your odds at such a game? To have two of "yourself" at the same Poker table at the same time?

**tacomax** · 03-14-06, 06:14 PM

I was accused of chip dumping at a number of poker sites.

They eventually realised that I just wasn't very good at playing poker. :an_cry:

**Bill Dozer** · 03-14-06, 06:23 PM

Pags,

Chip dumping can facilitate all kinds of fraud including money laundering, stealing bonus funds and manipulating the table to hurt others.

A poker room that doesn't act on collusion faces losses and having its legit valued players take a beating. The ones that take an aggressive stance against it face being called a cheat. Online poker has some evolving to do. Hopefuly sites like PSR can keep players informed on which auditing process they can trust.

**MrX** · 03-14-06, 06:23 PM

Originally posted by tacomax

I was accused of chip dumping at a number of poker sites.

They eventually realised that I just wasn't very good at playing poker. :an_cry:

Funny, on a few occasions I've had online players losing to me at such a pace and in such a strange manner that I was terrified I'd be flagged for suspicious activity. It seemed so intentional that I was wondering if they confused me with someone else.

Never any problems, though.

**isetcap** · 03-14-06, 06:25 PM

Defeating colluding players in a "sit and go" tournament is quite a pleasant feeling, but alas it is also quite difficult. I have very little sympathy for chip dumpers (any genuine poker player will agree) and being quite familiar with the algorithms used to detect such activity, I am well aware that once you are accused, it is almost always because you're guilty.

**isetcap** · 03-14-06, 06:29 PM

Originally posted by pags11

forgive my ignorance here, but could someone briefly explain the practice of chip dumping?...I don't play online poker, but have read a lot about this tactic...thanks...

edc0218 can best explain this concept.

Where is/are our friend(s) edc0218? I sure do miss him/her/them. He/She/They haven't had a lot to offer after Bill helped him/her/them out.

**JoshW** · 03-14-06, 06:35 PM

First saw this back at Pacific three years ago. Big omaha hi-lo game between two players capped the whole way through and then one guy would fold at the end. I don't even think they were offering a bonus, likely just moving funds I guess. I sat down and they both sat out immediately.

**pags11** · 03-14-06, 06:45 PM

interesting stuff...had never realized this was such a big deal...I can see why the sites are leary...

**natrass** · 03-15-06, 02:23 AM

I think people who cheat books are chancers and if they dont start crying about it when they get caught I can live with them, if not respect them.

People who scam other players deserve all they get.

And people who scam other players and then come on forums asking for the same other players to help them out of the hole they have dug themselves are even lower.

That is why chipdumping (the poster and practice) is bad news.

And I have never even played poker.

**isetcap** · 03-15-06, 02:26 AM

Originally posted by natrass

I think people who cheat books are chancers and if they dont start crying about it when they get caught I can live with them, if not respect them.

People who scam other players deserve all they get.

And people who scam other players and then come on forums asking for the same other players to help them out of the hole they have dug themselves are even lower.

That is why chipdumping (the poster and practice) is bad news.

And I have never even played poker.

Now you can see why I was coming down so hard on edc0218 who is exactly the same kind of fraudster as our more recent "victim".

**PokerRoomReview.com** · 03-15-06, 01:55 PM

To just give you an idea of how wide a variation there could be, here is an example of an innocent case of chip dumping

Steve Brunies & SportingbetUSA/Paradise Poker

**scottyy11** · 03-15-06, 02:09 PM

this player should of known better but glad he didnt lose the $5200, probably should of lost the $200 as a lesson from the one on one....losing on purpose can never be a right thing

**PokerRoomReview.com** · 03-15-06, 03:22 PM

Originally posted by scottyy11

this player should of known better but glad he didnt lose the $5200, probably should of lost the $200 as a lesson from the one on one....losing on purpose can never be a right thing

Scottyy,

You know, chip dumping should never be practiced period. Most poker rooms allow for player to player transfers and this allows for innocent passing of funds amongst player accounts but.........

With Steve, he was playing on the Paradise platform on the SportingbetUSA skin, his friend was on the Paradise platform playing from the paradise site; Paradise has the option to transfer funds which Steve's friend was able to transfer funds; however the SportingbetUSA skin doesn’t have the option to make a player to player transfer. Once I was able to myself verify this, we were able to resolve the matter fairly quickly, had they dumped at a table with other players that would have been another story.

The point is you should never chip dump in a poker room because when poker rooms have people doing so, it’s generally followed by one form of fraud or another.

Good Luck

PokerRoomReview.com

**bostonceltics13** · 03-23-06, 06:09 PM

I have seen chip dumping occur in live tournament play (or at least it appeared that way to me). Sending signals to other players to bet big and fold late when the "leader" who is getting the chips is strong. This provides that player with more chips and a power position in the tournament. I have always figured, if someone is desperate enough to cheat like that, they must not have the confidene to win. A real poker player should have the pride to win or lose with honor. Maintain the integrity and respect of the game we all love. I may not win like a pro, but that is something I will always preserve.

**PokerDeath** · 03-23-06, 06:13 PM

Well said BostonCeltics13, but could you possibly pick a better team?

**QuickLearner** · 03-23-06, 08:40 PM

Originally posted by bostonceltics13

A real poker player should have the pride to win or lose with honor. Maintain the integrity and respect of the game we all love. I may not win like a pro, but that is something I will always preserve.

Bingo. Professionals play with honor. There are a few players who play full-time and cheat, but they're not professional poker players. They are professional criminals. If it wasn't poker it would be gin, bridge, craps, pool, or whatever game they could hustle. I'll bet very few people know that in California it is a class II felony to cheat at a casino card game.

**McFly** · 03-24-06, 08:17 PM

I don't know Quick. Last years WPT championship final table had Tuan Le and Hassan Habib dumping each other chips. It was pretty obvious. Of course it came out that Hassan had a part of Tuan before the tourney began. Man, I wish they wouldn't allow this. Just adds too many question marks when they get heads up or playing against each other in any way.

**BatemanPatrickl** · 05-28-09, 04:25 PM

Originally posted by tacomax

I was accused of chip dumping at a number of poker sites.

Originally posted by isetcap

Defeating colluding players in a "sit and go" tournament is quite a pleasant feeling, but alas it is also quite difficult. I have very little sympathy for chip dumpers (any genuine poker player will agree) and being quite familiar with the algorithms used to detect such activity, I am well aware that once you are accused, it is almost always because you're guilty.

Now this is good stuff.

**hothandsmgee** · 06-08-09, 10:53 AM

Wow, I didnt realized that it was thought of as such a terrible practice. I usually do it with poker sites that dont have transfers.

**arda10k** · 06-08-09, 11:58 AM

Yeah and if they say so even if you won 10k in poker, they could take that and close your account so everyone be careful about that one.

**pattie2** · 06-11-09, 09:02 AM

I've suspected this practice at a couple tables but didn't know for sure

wonder how common it is

never ceases to surprise me the things players do to win

**aggieshawn** · 06-11-09, 10:16 AM

Chip dumping was also done alot in the past by underage players who win money and then can't withdrawl it when required to prove their age. Innocent enough. Problem is they get these underage players hooked on the play money and then want to move up to real money.

**Roxxyfish** · 06-29-09, 06:28 AM

as far as I know its impossible to sit at he same table with 2 accounts

**andrew5** · 06-29-09, 01:42 PM

ive herd of collusion is chip dumping the same thing

**johnnyutah69** · 07-07-09, 01:18 PM

yea isnt it not possible to sit at the same table with yourself because of the ip address?

**yisman** · 07-15-09, 02:09 PM

Originally posted by johnnyutah69

yea isnt it not possible to sit at the same table with yourself because of the ip address?

It's possible. One would just have to use two different computers and two different networks.

**MainEventOrBust** · 07-16-09, 04:27 AM

Originally posted by pags11

forgive my ignorance here, but could someone briefly explain the practice of chip dumping?...I don't play online poker, but have read a lot about this tactic...thanks...

Its not really a tactic. Its collusion. And in most cases, its unprofitable.

**LostBankroll** · 11-29-11, 03:21 AM

Thank You SBR. Knowledge is KEY.