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  • Shonner
    SBR MVP
    • 09-05-10
    • 1361

    #1
    Small business checking for gambling??
    Anyone do this?? It would help keep good records and multiple deposits/lots of activity is more normal for a business? I don't think you need anything to open one as a sole proprietor other than a SSN. Thoughts????
  • downsouth
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 01-13-11
    • 11580

    #2
    Dumb idea on several levels.
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    • Shonner
      SBR MVP
      • 09-05-10
      • 1361

      #3
      Originally posted by downsouth
      Dumb idea on several levels.
      Why? I'm not saying I disagree. I don't know that's why I'm asking. Do banks report to IRS? I doubt it. I pay tax regardless.
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      • Smoke
        SBR Aristocracy
        • 10-09-09
        • 48111

        #4
        you will go to prison and your cell mate will be a 6'7 220 lb angry black man named Tyrone

        Is that what you want??
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        • Shonner
          SBR MVP
          • 09-05-10
          • 1361

          #5
          Originally posted by Smoke
          you will go to prison and your cell mate will be a 6'7 220 lb angry black man named Tyrone

          Is that what you want??
          Didnt know gambling was illegal. Still looking for someone to provide a thought out response. Sad the forum has these types of clowns/jokers
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          • downsouth
            SBR Posting Legend
            • 01-13-11
            • 11580

            #6
            Volume of transactions shouldn't be a very substantial concern. Unless you withdrawal/deposit daily.

            What advantage would you possibly hope to accomplish by opening a business account versus a personal account? Just open a personal account if you insists on having a checking account solely to keep track of gambling withdrawals/deposits. Honestly though if you really wanna keep track familiarize yourself with excel or one of the other table format programs.

            Im from that group of the less banks, IRS or whoever knows the better.

            But honestly if your making enough coin to need seperate bank accounts you should really be familar with how your set up etc already.

            Good luck
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            • onacloud
              SBR Hall of Famer
              • 10-14-10
              • 5360

              #7
              What is the reason to do this is what you should be asking yourself... if you can't keep simple record in excel yourself then maybe you shouldn't be doing this at all.

              No need for the IRS or any agency snooping around if you really are making coin.
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              • Smoke
                SBR Aristocracy
                • 10-09-09
                • 48111

                #8
                Originally posted by Shonner

                Didnt know gambling was illegal. Still looking for someone to provide a thought out response. Sad the forum has these types of clowns/jokers
                go fukk yourself tough guy. I'm not a clown and I'm not here to amuse you. that fact is it's illegal to do what your talking about. If you think u know it all go ahead then do it and see what happens
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                • Shonner
                  SBR MVP
                  • 09-05-10
                  • 1361

                  #9
                  More activity = business = less chance of bank being suspicious is my theory. I have nothing to hide as I pay tax but no one wants to deal with problems and audits even if youre straight.
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                  • Duff85
                    SBR MVP
                    • 06-15-10
                    • 2920

                    #10
                    I'm in Australia where the legal picture is a whole lot clearer. To me opening a business account would complicate things a lot more and would certainly leave me open to paying taxes on my earnings, where having a personal account does not.

                    Australians don't pay tax on gambling winnings, as long as the gambling is a hobby and not operated like a business.
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                    • Shonner
                      SBR MVP
                      • 09-05-10
                      • 1361

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Smoke
                      go fukk yourself tough guy. I'm not a clown and I'm not here to amuse you. that fact is it's illegal to do what your talking about. If you think u know it all go ahead then do it and see what happens
                      Why is it illegal to deposit/withdraw gambling funds from a biz acct vs a personal? I'm looking for intelligent discussion. I appreciate any feedback.
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                      • Shonner
                        SBR MVP
                        • 09-05-10
                        • 1361

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Duff85
                        I'm in Australia where the legal picture is a whole lot clearer. To me opening a business account would complicate things a lot more and would certainly leave me open to paying taxes on my earnings, where having a personal account does not.

                        Australians don't pay tax on gambling winnings, as long as the gambling is a hobby and not operated like a business.
                        Yeah I'm trying to make things easier, not complicate.
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                        • downsouth
                          SBR Posting Legend
                          • 01-13-11
                          • 11580

                          #13
                          How much activity can you possibly have? LIke a said, even once a week is nothing to even have someone bat an eye.

                          Also, if your end game is to avoid any sort of IRS flags/audits then the last thing you would want to do is show self employment income.
                          Plus as far as taxes go you can only right off gambling losses equal to wins in a given year.
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                          • Shonner
                            SBR MVP
                            • 09-05-10
                            • 1361

                            #14
                            Originally posted by downsouth
                            How much activity can you possibly have? LIke a said, even once a week is nothing to even have someone bat an eye.

                            Also, if your end game is to avoid any sort of IRS flags/audits then the last thing you would want to do is show self employment income.
                            Plus as far as taxes go you can only right off gambling losses equal to wins in a given year.
                            I wouldn't show self employment income. Just report gambling wins/losses as normal. I wouldn't have a separate tax ID or even do a schedule C etc.
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                            • Brock Landers
                              SBR Aristocracy
                              • 06-30-08
                              • 45359

                              #15
                              go to a CREDIT UNION

                              all i have to say
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                              • Shonner
                                SBR MVP
                                • 09-05-10
                                • 1361

                                #16
                                Originally posted by Brock Landers
                                go to a CREDIT UNION

                                all i have to say
                                How come?
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                                • Brock Landers
                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                  • 06-30-08
                                  • 45359

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Shonner
                                  How come?
                                  much more liberal than a regular bank
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                                  • WvGambler
                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                    • 04-19-10
                                    • 11618

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Smoke
                                    you will go to prison and your cell mate will be a 6'7 220 lb angry black man named Tyrone

                                    Is that what you want??
                                    I'm listening......
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                                    • Easy-Rider 66
                                      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                      • 02-14-12
                                      • 36737

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by Shonner
                                      More activity = business = less chance of bank being suspicious is my theory. I have nothing to hide as I pay tax but no one wants to deal with problems and audits even if youre straight.
                                      If you are worried about this type of scenerio, would think you are a heavy hitter.
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                                      • bigbet1234
                                        SBR Wise Guy
                                        • 06-22-06
                                        • 625

                                        #20
                                        You can't open a business account with an EIN # from the state. this is like your SS# for your business.
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                                        • bigbet1234
                                          SBR Wise Guy
                                          • 06-22-06
                                          • 625

                                          #21
                                          Smoke has no idea what he is talking about. You could register your business "Shonner gambling ENT." or whatever. Pay your taxes every year and you have nothing to worry about
                                          Originally posted by Shonner
                                          Why is it illegal to deposit/withdraw gambling funds from a biz acct vs a personal? I'm looking for intelligent discussion. I appreciate any feedback.
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                                          • Shonner
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 09-05-10
                                            • 1361

                                            #22
                                            Thx for the feedback.
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                                            • Shonner
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 09-05-10
                                              • 1361

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by bigbet1234
                                              You can't open a business account with an EIN # from the state. this is like your SS# for your business.
                                              It would be a sole proprietorship so the bank told me that no tax ID is needed
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                                              • downsouth
                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                • 01-13-11
                                                • 11580

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Shonner
                                                It would be a sole proprietorship so the bank told me that no tax ID is needed
                                                Sole proprietorship may as well be a personal checking account. If your betting thru locals/cash transaction I highly advise against putting it into banks in the first place. Much safer option with safety deposit box.

                                                And if you routinely pay "all" your taxes and such why are you worried about whether or not account volume is an issue.

                                                ALso, by setting up a sole prop it is basically just a personal account anyway.

                                                Save yourself the extra steps and just use a personal account if you insists on doing your transactions thru a banking institution.
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