How does anybody lose money with guys like Pacquaio with records like 54-5?
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Cause not everyone wants to lay 5000 or 6000 to win 100 like youComment -
MMA is the only sport that I can honestly say that I have profited long term.
I may have a winning CBB or NFL "season" but then next "season" lose my arse!
Have to watch a lot of fight footage, know backgrounds of fighters, and know where public will bet. MMA lines move a TON, so geting the best line at the correct time is KEY.
Brahma... Show us your Traps pal..
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MMA is pretty easy, I tend to just fade BIGDAY.
Sometime I try and tail him but his play is -150 and all the lines are around -400Comment -
Hense getting the best line at the best time.
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i gave you ***** carl froch at +170 saturday....he blew lucian bute out in 5 rounds....didnt lose a round....if you follow me yeah u could make easy money in boxing....but you gotta pay for my servicesComment -
Bull there is a reason its low... still most people don't wanna lay 500 when one punch could be a knock outComment -
congratulations you just jinxed the pacquiao fightComment -
pac is a relatively safe play....the scorecards are already filled out....bradley doesnt have the pop to hurt pac with one punch...it would have to be an accumulation or a stoppage where pac could no longer defend himself....all pretty unlikely....the only you could get hurt...and this isnt as far fetched as it sounds....is if arum feels pac is about to hang em up....he will have control over the man who conquers pac....if he thinks pac is about to retire(which i dont know how feasible that is right now....pac needs money)he might decide to pass the torch within his company....i wouldnt put anything by that piece of scum....hes the reason the floyd fight hasnt come through.....hed rather die knowing the fight never got made than risk his pet/prize lose to the man who left his company(and linked up with another man who left his company to become a megastar and chief promotional rival) to become a megastar in the sportComment -
Yes, especially when betting on Floyd Mayweather.Comment -
So Fedor had 18 fights that odds were actually posted for..say you bet enough to win 1 unit on every one of his fights even the 5 or 6 where he is was around a 10-1 favorite..you would be up a whopping 3 units over the life of his career.
This isn't like a regular sport a lot of fighters early career are not booked.Comment -
Brahma is finally sick of getting buried on MLB and NBA forums and has chosen a new sport that he will pretend to be an expert in
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I think Bradley has a much better chance than people (and the oddsmakers) think. He's probably as fit or more fit than Pacquiao and can fight. He's going to need to be able to get through the first few rounds without getting damaged, which means he'll need to box instead of try to engage and do battle. I think if he uses his head and foot movement, throws the lead right-left hook and moves left, he'll have a much better chance of winning. Whether he gets robbed is anyone's guess. Marquez knows how to fight a southpaw and how to fight Pacquiao. If Bradley was smart he would have been studying that last fight. Pacquiao has had a rough past year and he's got alot going on his life. There's alot of tension in his camp, which is never, ever good. Also, I'm not so sure that all his bible studies are a good thing as everyone in his team are doing like he does now. For sure that has changed the dynamic of his team. All said, he will probably win but I'll go small on Bradley just because he's got a better chance the the odds suggest and unlike Pacquiao, he's focused, has complete faith in his fitness and abilities, and he's never been beat. Plus I'm pissed off the judges gave him the last fight since it cost me money. Marquez took his ass to school and once again, he got the short end of the stick.Comment -
i'm guessing a lot of people lost money on that Bute fight last week lol
Tarver is a 4-1 fav this week and quillen is a 6-1 fav last time i checked. We'll be intersting to see if there is an upset.Comment -
Bradley can do enough to beat Pacquiao, but not enough to win.
That's how boxing works when you fight the champ.Comment -
Bradley looks really slick but his style is a perfect matchup for Manny, thats why he was chosen as an opponent. Everyone in the boxing world saw the flaws in Manny's game against JMM. But Bradley isn't all of a sudden going to transform into a master counter puncher for this fight. He fights mostly coming forward (which plays right into Manny) and he has been criticized for having no power. Magic recipe for either a Manny win or another robbery by the judges.Comment -
I'm not a pro gambler. And only really do some NFL along with MMA/Boxing. But I think MMA is easiest....although linesmakers have gotten way better over the last year.
Agreed with pacman example. To many guys want to find "value" on big dogs. Guys like GSP, Anderson, Bones, Mayweather, Pacman don't lose. They have been easy parlay fillers or straight bets for years.
Someone may not like to lay -500. But I'd rather win some money than throw away cash on "value" that rarely....if ever hits. When was the last time any of these guys lost other than Bones getting DQ'd? It has been easy money but outside of Bones these guys are all older now....and jumping on the train at this stage may be a tad late.Comment -
I picked Froch to win by KO and to win so along with my other picks, last week was a good one. Listen, every fighter can be beat. Yes, Pacquiao has been winning for a long time. He's an all-time great for sure. I do not disagree that Manny will probably win the fight. But I think that Bradley is the sort of fighter who is smart enough to figure out a way to beat him. Yes, he comes forward, he doesn't have mind numbing power, and he has flaws. But if Pacquiao fights much longer he will meet his match. Maybe not in Bradley but I think I've seen some subtle signs of slippage in him and I do believe nows the time to catch him.
Maybe everything in his life is getting to be too much. When he fought Marquez I believe he was having marital and congressional problems, was drinking and gambling too much, and of course running around on his wife. Otherwise, I don't think he'd be turning to the bible the way he has. This coupled with Marquez's ability proved to be too much. He got beat in my book and in many others, he just managed to get the decision. Maybe next time he won't. It's no secret that he's had all sorts of problems with his wife, with drinking and with gambling.
He's not the machine he was a few years ago and I think the key is going to be what happens when Bradley gets hit. Will he be able to take it and continue to take it or will he fold up. With his level of fitness I think he'll go the distance. He's no Marquez technically but he's a good enough boxer, and has enough ring intelligence to make the unexpected happen. Getting a decision win over Pacquiao won't be easy but strange things happen in boxing and nothing surprises me anymore. I'm not going large on Bradley, probably 1%, but I'll go 2% on a decision. Hopefully Bradley will win a decision. A bit of a long shot but this is what makes boxing exciting.
When Pacquiao fought DeLahoya, nearly everyone was saying DeLaHoya was too big, too strong, the fight was a huge mismatch. Of course, I bet against DLH. Perhaps the lines makers were caught up in Pacquiao fighting a bigger, stronger opponent or the hype of the Golden Boy. That was an easy call actually, much more easy than this fight, because DLH had shown alot of signs he wasn't the same as a few years prior. Also, he was never a great fighter. A good fighter, yes, but great, no way. How he was marketed and brought along was masterful but he was no Sugar Ray Leonard in the ring. So maybe I'll be wrong, I'd prefer if I wasn't so I could win a little cash, but if I am, hopefully the fight will a memorable one.Comment -
i dont buy the whole "everything in his life is getting to him" bs about his last performance....he was having martial problems around the cotto fight(you can find video of him and his wife at church the morning after that fight...the pastor starts talking about good/healthy marriages and his wife breaks down and sobs)......i dont care whats going on in your life....fighting is where your bread is buttered.....its what makes you rich and a star.....you should be focused on it no matter what is going on around you
juan manuel lopez and his people tried saying that about the first salido fight.....then they got knocked the **** out again without any "distractions"....so i dont buy it.....jmm just has pacs number......im tired of manny saying he had leg cramps(he tried to pin some of it on that if youve seen "on freddie roach" on hbo....he tried telling freddie that in the locker room after the fight...i think even freddie knew he was full of shit)......when jmm showed up to a prefight presser with one of his t shirts saying something like "i beat pacquiao twice" pac was all "that shirt really got me focused and pumped for this fight...you are going to see the best manny pacquiao"........now people are claiming hes got all these distractions
manny is a really good fighter....and very fan friendly...but hes been the creation of very slick/good matchmaking....
ill be interested to see how desert storm looks....to see if he tries to dirty the fight up and launch thkat big teenage mutant ninja turtle skull of his at pac like he usually doesComment -
The 24/7 is a show geared towards enticing fans to watch the fight, I know this. Also, I'm not trying to make an excuse for his past few performances. Marquez is his worst nightmare and beat him twice IMO and he's the reason for Pacquiao's last performance. Pacquiao may indeed have had leg cramps and had to gut it out, like he said, but I think Pacquiao's slipping physically. I also think the pressure of his family life, working as a Congressman, the tension in the gym and within his team (it's been there years), being the huge star that he is has taken a toll on him. Maybe Bradley is not the guy to get the job done, I don't know, I obviously don't have a crystal ball. And maybe Pacquiao will manage to slip out of boxing without losing. But I suspect if he fights on, someone is going to put a notch on their gun with his name on it - maybe Floyd's the only one who can give him a run for his money but we'll see soon enough.
Bobby Heenan, you are spot on when you say his matchmaking has made him what he is today. You're also right in saying that you should be focused on the task at hand. That's what being a professional is all about. But in this fight, maybe we'll find out if he can dig deep if he is forced to do so. That's what I want to know.Comment -
i hear you definitley about his team....buboy is over there with like 6 assistants just getting fatter every day....mike koncz is a piece of trash.....ariza doesnt get along with any of em except maybe freddie...and ariza calls them all on bullshit....and then theres bob fuckin piece of shit arum...i honestly cant believe there are people who actually think floyd is to blame....people should read the day to day shit that comes out of that camp over the last 3 years
i just think that no matter what is going on....the phillipine politics and all that...manny has to remember why/how he is where he is and has what he has....he has to be in the best shape....and he has to train like a madman no matter who hes fighting(thats how floyd trains....like a broke man looking at a chance to eat).....
i dont claim to know what pacs finances look like....and he is doing commercials....but ive heard they arent that good(his finances)....too many people tugging at him for money...too much being spent(and arum is raping him)...hes had to hire an agency to look over his contracts and finances.....i can see this guy hanging on a little longer than he would have liked to
and if that happens....i can see arum passing the torch to someone else in his stable/control....hes just that much of a piece of trash......if arum ever had the balls to let his prize/pet fight floyd...that would be the end of pacComment
