Attn: SBR RaceBook

[sweep]

Can we get Wolverhampton up? (England)

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[Al Masters]

I made one bet in the SBR RACEBOOK about 2 months ago the horse won by 4 lengths.

1 hour goes by...not graded...3hours goes by...not graded.....some 10 hours later...... i see thebet was refunded to me, they
cancelled my winner.

Didn't need the aggrevation of needing to know why as there was no reason.

Never made another play there....stick to HPI.

[sweep]

I made one bet in the SBR RACEBOOK about 2 months ago the horse won by 4 lengths.

1 hour goes by...not graded...3hours goes by...not graded.....some 10 hours later...... i see thebet was refunded to me, they
cancelled my winner.

Didn't need the aggrevation of needing to know why as there was no reason.

Never made another play there....stick to HPI.

Thats fukked up...Whats going on here SBR? Can i get a reply one tme???

[konck]

I made one bet in the SBR RACEBOOK about 2 months ago the horse won by 4 lengths.

1 hour goes by...not graded...3hours goes by...not graded.....some 10 hours later...... i see thebet was refunded to me, they
cancelled my winner.
Didn't need the aggrevation of needing to know why as there was no reason.

Never made another play there....stick to HPI.

2 Months ago the SBR racebook clock was 3 minutes fast so if you bet nearing post time it canceled its better now not great but better

[SBR Lou]

2 Months ago the SBR racebook clock was 3 minutes fast so if you bet nearing post time it canceled its better now not great but better

Thank you for the feedback.

To clarify, the available tracks are listed as is in the SBR Sportsbook rules page; and the feed is automatic. If something isn't there, we're not able to set it on.

[Al Masters]

2 Months ago the SBR racebook clock was 3 minutes fast so if you bet nearing post time it canceled its better now not great but better

My bet was accepted and confirmed.

Is that not enough to get me paid?

[SBR Lou]

My bet was accepted and confirmed.

Is that not enough to get me paid?

Afraid not - The following clear disclaimer atop the SBR Racebook indicates the following:

All bets entered after the confirmed post time will be voided. Times listed are ET. Actual post time may vary depending on data sent from the racetrack feed; synchronize your PC clock with time.gov to avoid time miscalculation. Place your bets five or more minutes out to avoid issue.

The feed isn't always right and there were previous syncing issues; but we consistently void each and every wager that the automatic DGS feed flags as past-post. Less than 2% of wagers are and are always voided regardless of if the bet wins or loses.

[andywend]

2 Months ago the SBR racebook clock was 3 minutes fast so if you bet nearing post time it canceled its better now not great but better

The racebook clock is still 3 minutes fast and since you have to bet at least 2 minutes prior to post time (as stated in the rules), you have to bet at least 5 minutes prior to post time or the wager will be canceled.

The problem is only a small percentage of monies bet are in the poll with 5 minutes to post as the vast majority of bettors bet closer to post time.

Since the SBR racebook only accepts wagers in SBR points (which are given away for free by SBR), managing it in this manner is a little more acceptable. However, any real money racebooks being managed in this way would be entirely unacceptable.

[Al Masters]

Afraid not - The following clear disclaimer atop the SBR Racebook indicates the following:

All bets entered after the confirmed post time will be voided. Times listed are ET. Actual post time may vary depending on data sent from the racetrack feed; synchronize your PC clock with time.gov to avoid time miscalculation. Place your bets five or more minutes out to avoid issue.

The feed isn't always right and there were previous syncing issues; but we consistently void each and every wager that the automatic DGS feed flags as past-post. Less than 2% of wagers are and are always voided regardless of if the bet wins or loses.

Lou, i play the horses through HPI, I can watch every race,the race in question i bet at HPI and a small nothing bet here,
then i watched the race,there was no past posting or trickery involved,i bet the race before it went off.

If as Konck says your clock was 3 minutes off the real time in the world why should i pay and not you?

[jjgold]

Sweeper

[SBR Lou]

Lou, i play the horses through HPI, I can watch every race,the race in question i bet at HPI and a small nothing bet here,
then i watched the race,there was no past posting or trickery involved,i bet the race before it went off.

If as Konck says your clock was 3 minutes off the real time in the world why should i pay and not you?

You make the decision to continue wagering a given way, when the disclaimer clearly lists instructions on avoiding having a bet 'flagged' as past-post, nobody is accusing you of trickery. We're simply saying that we consistently void the small percentage of bets from players that appear in the system as late.

[Al Masters]

The racebook clock is still 3 minutes fast and since you have to bet at least 2 minutes prior to post time (as stated in the rules), you have to bet at least 5 minutes prior to post time or the wager will be canceled.

The problem is only a small percentage of monies bet are in the poll with 5 minutes to post as the vast majority of bettors bet closer to post time.

Since the SBR racebook only accepts wagers in SBR points (which are given away for free by SBR), managing it in this manner is a little more acceptable. However, any real money racebooks being managed in this way would be entirely unacceptable.

Exactly...good post and this is one of the reasons i didn't say a word about it till i saw this thread, i took the beat and shut up.


Having to make a bet 5 minutes before post time is unheard of in the real money world of horse racing.

[robmpink]

I'm pretty sure you graded a past post bet, pick 4 from a poster. Java or lavaman.

[andywend]

Al, the same thing happened to me as I bet 90 SBR points on a horse named Porfido and the bet was placed with 4 minutes to post (I was watching live video provided by www.calracing.com).

The horse won at 6-1 and my bet was canceled about 15 minutes after the race was declared official.

With all this being said, the SBR points are promotional giveaways so this is not a matter of SBR trying to screw anybody. Since the racebook is NOT a real money racebook, it doesn't make a whole lot of financial sense for SBR to hire someone solely to keep track of all the post times at all the different racetracks.

Its the kind of thing that when it happens once, you're aware of it and it shouldn't happen again. On a couple of occassions, I had losing bets canceled as well.

[VegasVixen]

I bet one last night AT post time, and it went thru & was paid.. pretty sure it was at Yonkers. Thought it would cxl for sure but it didnt

[VegasVixen]

Just bet one at Meadows AT post, and Phil 2 MTP, we'll see what happens...

[VegasVixen]

Monticello R4 3 MTP and there's no odds? No odds showing at Wheeling R1 either

[konck]

I bet Philly park and Monti today the clocks are close not that far off

[VegasVixen]

Just bet one at Meadows AT post, and Phil 2 MTP, we'll see what happens...

The meadows bet AT the post went thru

Internet / 0	Ticket #: 1439060	RAC	Racing ticket #96876 Apr-24 MEA R4 5.00 SBR WIN 5	5.00 / 0.00	13.00	WIN	04/24/2012 01:44:19 PM
Internet / 0	Ticket #: 1439062	RAC	Racing ticket #96877 Apr-24 MEA R4 10.00 SBR PLC 5	10.00 / 0.00	14.00	WIN	04/24/2012 01:44:32 PM

[sweep]

Sweeper

Christ, what can of worms did I open here? All I wanted to do was bet on some 4-legged Europeans

[jjgold]

SBR Race Book is not hooked up to the totes at the various tracks therefore get your bets in 5 minutes before post

If you want to bet late go to a legal usa racebook

[Al Masters]

You make the decision to Continue wagering a given way, when the disclaimer clearly lists instructions on avoiding having a bet 'flagged' as past-post, nobody is accusing you of trickery. We're simply saying that we consistently void the small percentage of bets from players that appear in the system as late.

I made 1 bet saw what happened and never made another, i never CONTINUED!

So as you can imagine i never felt the need to read the disclaimer after the bet was taken and confirmed,
and since the 5 minutes before post time bet rule here, is non existant anywhere else,didnt feel it was legit.

However now that i know the rule... i know if i ever wanna make a play on a horse to do it 5 minutes prior to post.


Thanks for the testing Vegas Vixen.

[Al Masters]

With all this being said, the SBR points are promotional giveaways so this is not a matter of SBR trying to screw anybody. Since the racebook is NOT a real money racebook, it doesn't make a whole lot of financial sense for SBR to hire someone solely to keep track of all the post times at all the different racetracks.

Its the kind of thing that when it happens once, you're aware of it and it shouldn't happen again. On a couple of occassions, I had losing bets canceled as well.

I agree, now i know.