You guys way up in the World Cup of Poker standings...why are you slumming it here?

zsr · 03-11-12, 03:36 AM

First place in world cup is like 2,500 points. I think MVP or whatever is 5,000. So something like 200 real cash.

TheCentaur · 03-11-12, 03:42 AM

Originally posted by zsr

First place in world cup is like 2,500 points. I think MVP or whatever is 5,000. So something like 200 real cash.

Oh wow, I thought it was much higher

horja1 · 03-11-12, 03:49 AM

Originally posted by TheCentaur

Oh wow, I thought it was much higher

There were some 20k points prizes in last year's tourneys but not this year

BiTeMe UsAdOj · 03-11-12, 06:24 AM

I'll chime in for shits & giggles (as I recognize the 'hint of facetiousness', Cent)***

... I've logged lots of time playing online on various sites over the years (1/2, 2/4, SNG's and MTT's, I've never played lower than.50-1 even when starting out on Planet Poker years ago)... I'm a winning player, confirmed by the tracking sites... I had gravitated to playing mostly FT and PS last few years leading up to fukkin Black Friday.

I'm in NY, so I have next to no options to play online currently (Merge sites reject NY'ers as I've tried to join; the sportsbooks' poker rooms suck in my experience (tho I dabble) and Sportsbook.com ripped me off for a few thou like 4 years ago now before I even knew about SBR)...

I've always played at casinos too but since BF I'm pretty much exclusively a Foxwoods/Turning Stone guy now (some Home games) and I play my fair share there these days.

Playing on SBR is FUN with the camaraderie and I like competition for competition's sake (as I'm sure many others do here) so the WC stuff has just been plain fun.

I think a lot of people here read way too much into the reasons "why" some people do what they do here; they view things from their own personal prism and think they got everybody else figured out ("why play for pennies", "waste of time" etc. etc.). One size doesn't fit all. Personally, playing at SBR allows me to play a game I love to play online again and enjoy a sense of community and competition. And like I believe I read DownSouth astutely say, you get the luxury of doing different things here (playing-wise), stress-free, and get some perks along the way.

All-in-all, a fun-stress-free-and-risk-free-environment to spend some work time/down time engaging in.

***Not claiming now or never have that I'm "all that"as a player; I have my poker playing strengths and good money management skills and I've found a niche to make me a profitable player to the degree that I am happy with weighing risk/reward.

TheCentaur · 03-11-12, 06:49 AM

Biteme I'm not being sarcastic when I say ur so smart you seem like an alien so I don't know how to reply. A bluffy, aggro alien.

Also, say hi to your pet cat

DrIn$entive · 03-11-12, 07:06 AM

Even Las Vegas residents (who are really good poker players) love to play in the freerolls. Just look at Bookmakers, DSI, 5dimes poker and see how many hundreds of people sign up just to play in a $25 freeroll, where 1st place is a whopping $10.

k13 · 03-11-12, 07:17 AM

I agree with Biteme.

Plus you forget most people don't have a casino that close to them, there's gas money, bigger rake. Mtt's/SNG's are just pointless live. You can't multi-table. Only good for big high buy in tourneys.

You are missing variance and being results oriented with "standings".

What's the sample? 50 tourneys......

People online play that in one hour.

no1here · 03-11-12, 09:48 AM

Because of Black Friday SBR poker is more appealing then normal besides next contest here is worth over 10K in cash.
SBR does not stop me from playing bovada 100K through 50 seat guarantees nor my play at cake network where I have 15K gold cards cashing 90% last month. I also still play at Merge Network belonging to nine sites there.

wtt0315 · 03-11-12, 11:19 AM

because its free and we are cheap

plus its something fun to do and nothing more exciting then beating these canucks on here

playersonly69 · 03-11-12, 12:04 PM

i play $5/10 and $2/5 at least three days a week at the casino in addition to live tournaments.

Hell i shelled out $10K last year foir the WSOP. Well ok, i paid $2000 and won a megasatellite. but had i not won the seat, then i would have paid the 10k to enter

BiTeMe UsAdOj · 03-11-12, 02:30 PM

Originally posted by TheCentaur

Also, say hi to your pet cat

Will do.

Although it started out shaky, turns out she ended up liking Lexi Belle just about as much as I do.

RudyRuetigger · 03-11-12, 02:36 PM

fine, ill be the only to admit it

I lose money at real poker

that is why

and if you didnt realize everyone else here seems to win at online poker and sports betting.

i can call bs on atleast 96% of posters.

fukk all the bs

tired of trying to help or offer decent opinions on shit.

keeping my mouth shut from now on and participate only on fantasy forums

ttwarrior1 · 03-11-12, 02:46 PM

lmao none of those guys would win live

Ive won over 3 k in the last week but not on the leaderboard

RudyRuetigger · 03-11-12, 02:58 PM

correction

the top 500 would win live

sweethook · 03-11-12, 02:58 PM

Originally posted by ttwarrior1

lmao none of those guys would win live

Ive won over 3 k in the last week but not on the leaderboard

LVHerbie · 03-11-12, 04:02 PM

Worth a couple dollars, requires zero real investment (besides the cost of going pro and time), and most of us are going to be on the computer anyhow so why not play?

Personally I wouldn't play everyday if it required anywhere near my full attention... In reality I usually shove it on my secondary monitor and just glance over when it beeps (paying more attention if I get ahold of chips or when (sadistically?) I give someone an especially juicy bad beat as I derive some weird enjoyment from the "I got busted from the SBR freeroll" blowups especially when it is the spot player who plays like a turkey)...

DrIn$entive · 03-11-12, 06:45 PM

Originally posted by ttwarrior1

lmao none of those guys would win live

Ive won over 3 k in the last week but not on the leaderboard

Congrats!

Are you going to pay off your Discover card now?

http://forum.sbrforum.com/saloon/1573015-update-being-sued-discover-card-p5.html#post14092033

RudyRuetigger · 03-11-12, 08:17 PM

Originally posted by LVHerbie

Worth a couple dollars, requires zero real investment (besides the cost of going pro and time), and most of us are going to be on the computer anyhow so why not play?

Personally I wouldn't play everyday if it required anywhere near my full attention... In reality I usually shove it on my secondary monitor and just glance over when it beeps (paying more attention if I get ahold of chips or when (sadistically?) I give someone an especially juicy bad beat as I derive some weird enjoyment from the "I got busted from the SBR freeroll" blowups especially when it is the spot player who plays like a turkey)...

personally, i respect herbie.

ive seen what he has written and been at his table............i respect his play but question his bankroll management. i have no doubt he could be a winning player.

fact remains, if you mainly play sbr poker its because you suck at poker, suck at bankroll management, or arent good enough to play on alternative sites (ands thats people 1/2 or greater)

like i said, sbr poker is like an nba player player trying to get a game on the corner for $5. it just doesnt happen.

if i have inadvertently pissed you off then maybe you need to get a better realization of your game before you play sbr poker.

RudyRuetigger · 03-11-12, 08:19 PM

sick and fukkin tired of people acting like they win at poker but i see them at 100nl on sbr tables. hell i admit to lose at gambling and love action gambling but would never fall enough to play 100nl for sbr points

ballahollic2 · 03-11-12, 08:44 PM

Originally posted by RudyRuetigger

sick and fukkin tired of people acting like they win at poker but i see them at 100nl on sbr tables. hell i admit to lose at gambling and love action gambling but would never fall enough to play 100nl for sbr points

What it comes down to is theres about a handful of guys who can win at 25 NL online who post on SBR. Like LV said the concentration level in these tournaments sometimes isn't there when I play them either and they ultimately turn into a ship fest of just knowing ur ranges in certain spots. I do think theres a handful more of guys on here who can be successful at 1/2 live that maybe couldn't at Nl 25 online just for the record. The live games def play softer from experience. I think from there u have about half those guys who can win at NL 50 a few at NL 100 and NL 200 and from there maybe 1-5 who can win bigger? the NL 100 and NL 200 games play pretty strong online, Rudy, Tat, etc can correct me if they think I am wrong but I would say the NL 100 game is close to a 5/10 game in person

RudyRuetigger · 03-11-12, 09:30 PM

its like you saying some ridiculous ass word I've never heard of.

I can tell you where to go for the answer (dictionary) just as i can tell you who to check for winners in sports and poker but fukk if I know how to get the right answer

granted there are quite a few better than me, and a few of those can beat 100nl. as i said in another thread, how many do i think can be profitable yearly in this? around 5. how many play sbr poker that can beat 1/2 and higher? probably 2

TheCentaur · 03-11-12, 09:42 PM

Originally posted by RudyRuetigger

its like you saying some ridiculous ass word I've never heard of.

I can tell you where to go for the answer (dictionary) just as i can tell you who to check for winners in sports and poker but fukk if I know how to get the right answer

granted there are quite a few better than me, and a few of those can beat 100nl. as i said in another thread, how many do i think can be profitable yearly in this? around 5. how many play sbr poker that can beat 1/2 and higher? probably 2

I'm thinking 1/2 in Vegas must be a lot softer than other places, because that's where I usually play live and I promise I beat it consistently. I'm sure there are plenty on here that also do or are at least capable of it

RudyRuetigger · 03-11-12, 09:48 PM

as referenced in this thread or a different one... 1/2 live is like 10cent NL online.

1/2 online is 100x harder than 1/2 live

RudyRuetigger · 03-11-12, 09:50 PM

hell, reason why i respect negreanu is because hes the one that came out and said yea online guys are way tougher than live and actually tried to learn a few things. guys like hansen and benyamine suck and i bet couldnt beat 400nl if they had to work there way up

TheCentaur · 03-11-12, 09:56 PM

Originally posted by RudyRuetigger

as referenced in this thread or a different one... 1/2 live is like 10cent NL online.

1/2 online is 100x harder than 1/2 live

agreed

UntilTheNDofTimE · 03-11-12, 10:15 PM

Originally posted by TheCentaur

agreed

Of course good players would rather play softer games. When you can multi table 14 tables and play 1/2 your hold would be decent enough to play at that game. Live 1/2 is basically for gamblers to throw money around. As bet til said in a thread its a waste of time. Im not saying the rake isnt beatable as ive been able to beat 1/2 nl for over 2 yearS. I gradually worked my way up to 2/5 and 5/10 NL. I can agree with online play being somewhat tuffer because you have a lot of good players playing lower limits. With 100 hands a hour and being able to multi table 1/2 can be worth your time. Whereas live given standard variance if you play pretty optimal you could probably average 1800 a month if you won 65% of your sessions. That is hardly worth your time which is why live players who are even decent play 2/5 or 5/10 and wont touch 1/2. 1/2 on a good night you can probably make 300. On a good night at 2/5 you can yield nights where your easily clearing 2,000. Obviously depending on lineup chip depth and game style. But for the most part and for these reasons live 1/2 is full of nits and bad players.

TheCentaur · 03-11-12, 10:25 PM

Originally posted by UntilTheNDofTimE

Of course good player would rather play softer games. When you can multi table 14 tables and play 1/2 your hold would be decent enough to play at that game. Live 1/2 is basically for gamblers to throw money around. As bet til said in a thread its a waste of time. Im not saying the rake isnt beatable as ive been able to beat 1/2 nl for over a year. I gradually worked my way up to 2/5 and 5/10 NL. I can agree with online play being somewhat tuffer because you have a lot of good players playing lower limits. With 100 hands a hour and being able to multi table 1/2 can be worth your time. Whereas live given standard variance if you play pretty optimal you could probably average 1800 a month if you won 65% of your sessions. That is hardly worth your tome which is why live players who are even decent play 2/5 or 5/10 and wont touch 1/2.

I played for several years online, and whether it is because of leaks in my game etc., I found my ROI to remain constant/hr no matter how many tables I would play, because as I added tables I would lose the ability to profile players, make reads, make timely bluffs, etc. Therefore when you combine the diminishing returns and the gamble of getting paid online, I prefer live. When you only play one table online you can prey on obvious multi tablers also. Just a personal preference, I'm sure there are plenty of players mting works for them.

UntilTheNDofTimE · 03-11-12, 10:30 PM

Centuer i agree here as well i never multitabled more than 2 games and never was a profitable online player. Over the last year in a half is where ive taken my game to the next level and have always done very well live. Over 10 card rooms in close proximity to where i live so theirs no need for me to play online. However some of the better players i know who are making 80k+ a year playing poker said they made almost twice as much online multi-tabling low stakes. It would be more profitable for them to multitable 2/4 and 3/6 NL than to play 10/20NL live. Also with high stakes live games if your outside of LA or Vegas there becomes a player liquidity issue as well.

TheCentaur · 03-11-12, 10:36 PM

I was only profitable online playing sngs and tourneys. At best I might have broken even in online cash games.

What do you define as low stakes online Untiltheend?

UntilTheNDofTimE · 03-11-12, 10:38 PM

Centuar i stated that in above referenced post. A few very successfull players i know would multitable 8-14 tables and play 1/2 2/4 and 3/6 NL. I know thats not considered low stakes but for live 5/10 and 10/20 players those are low stakes.

TheCentaur · 03-11-12, 10:47 PM

Originally posted by UntilTheNDofTimE

Centuar i stated that in above referenced post.

Sorry

RudyRuetigger · 03-11-12, 11:11 PM

Originally posted by TheCentaur

I played for several years online, and whether it is because of leaks in my game etc., I found my ROI to remain constant/hr no matter how many tables I would play, because as I added tables I would lose the ability to profile players, make reads, make timely bluffs, etc. Therefore when you combine the diminishing returns and the gamble of getting paid online, I prefer live. When you only play one table online you can prey on obvious multi tablers also. Just a personal preference, I'm sure there are plenty of players mting works for them.

your ROI/hr wasn't constant, your $/hr was

TheCentaur · 03-11-12, 11:19 PM

Originally posted by RudyRuetigger

your ROI/hr wasn't constant, your $/hr was

Yes that's true, my $/hr remained constant, my ROI/hr suffered

Duff85 · 03-12-12, 02:53 AM

I'm a winner at micro stakes in poker. I used to play seriously on JokerStars etc but after black friday I withdrew all my cash fearing a Full Tilt situation. That said probably the last year i've done way more turnover through sports because I can get more cash in play. That said I enjoy playing the game so jump in to games at SBR for the hell of it. Being a competitive person if i'm going to do something I want to win at it - world cup etc.