50% of major league athletes use banned substances in some form or another... It's all how about cycling and perimeter usage, and then a heavy flush when warned of a drug test. These players take an incredible toll on their body and there really is only one way to stay competitive and healthy.
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lol you can say that about everyone in the mlb, mlb in the mlb you can assume just dopes up then.
like i said if you juice, you don't do it once or twice, you get going to do it often. he would of got caught during the season. and then you are assumning he juices up in september? well he probably had a third test in september or august. well he juices up when september, and then stops after his drug test, and stops during the playoffs?
if he juciced, why would he stop during the playoffs.
he passes a test in mid-late october, that he wanted and ordered to take.
just makes no sense,if he was juicing he would juice during the nlcs. if you guys are assuming he is a cheater, explain that. its impossible to explain why he passed every test his whole career, and three this year, then fails one this year with the highest results ever and then just a few days later passes it, thus during that time compeating in the biggest games of his career.Comment -
Mlb should hire JJ to interrogate guys to get the truthComment -
1) hugely ridiculous numbers, three times as high as anyone else ever
2) first ever test result overturned by independent people that saw way more of the facts than we did
those 2 things would give me reason to think he should get the benefit of the doubt
if someone bowled a 900 game i might think somehow the scorekeeping was inaccurate so why does everybody trust this dude and his son?
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so many other reasons to question it, if you assume braun is juicing, why does he stop during the most important games of his career? he passes the test in mid-late october thus proving he didn't juice during the playoffs. he 'failed' a test oct 1st, highest results ever.
just looking at the circumstantial evidence forget everything else. something is ****** up there.
then it comes out the guy didn't follow what he should, and kept the sample for 42 hours.
something doesn't add up here, and its not like a simple roid case we are used to seeing.Comment -
its pretty clear the only ones defending him in here are milwaukee fansComment -
Where did i say everyone dopes up??
Either way, it doesnt look good for the guy at all...Too many ways u can mask results when tested only 3 times per year...Test them randonly on a weekly basis if u really want to get serious about stamping out drug-use in the game...Im talking 24/7 anytime a player can be called to give a test...
They are already paid millions so a little extra inconvenience they can put up withComment -
These are not the highest levels ever, not even close. Bodybuilders have been recorded with as high as a 100-1 ratio.
Everyone saying highest levels ever needs to do more research. It may be the highest in baseball history but the sample size is what, 10 players?Comment -
Also you say he kept the samples too long, what was he supposed to do?Comment -
Synthetic testosterone was in his urine.
Braun you are a mother fukkerComment -
It's pretty obvious he's guilty, but the way mlb handled this was a joke... Nothing they can do..Comment -
No worries. Just trying to keep our facts straight. I don't know what believe. What you say is possible. It seems also possible that something happen to create the false positive.
Does anyone know how long synthetic testosterone stays in the system and show up in a urine test?Comment -
People mention a second test which was normal. When was that second test administered? Does anyone know? Synthetic testosterone is only going to create an elevated T/E for 7-10 days. If the test was Saturday and then it was sent Monday, received Tuesday....etc etc., unless the test was that very next week, then the fact that the subsequent test was normal proves nothing. Maybe Braun shot up in the days leading up to Game 1 and didn't after that. It can even be less than that. Landis got busted on a synthetic T test after testing normal 2 days before and after.
I just find it interesting that they seem to have only attacked the collection (not testing) process. I find it extraordinarily unbelievable that this guy went to great lengths to frame Ryan Braun. It couldn't possibly make less sense. Seems more likely that maybe someone at the testing facility screwed up. But from what the collector has said, I just don't see it. Braun got off on a technicality.Comment -
08:08 AM ET 12.13 | Victor Conte can speak broadly on the topic of testing for performance enhancement chemistry, which he did recently, at a time when Ryan Braun's name is in the news. [Here's] what Conte believes is going on out there: Baseball players -- along with other athletes -- are loading up on synthetic testosterone (and perhaps HGH) at night, when the body is repairing itself between games and workouts. The testosterone is administered through patches, gels, creams or orals. By the following afternoon, when that player is vulnerable to MLB testing, the ratio of testosterone to epitestosterone is beneath the 4-to-1 ratio that triggers a positive test. "It's a loophole," Conte said, "you could drive a Mack truck through."
Read more: http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_r...#ixzz1niXQ5UHT
I think Braun probably gambled that they weren't going to test him right after a playoff game, on a Saturday.Comment -
Way too many fans giving half truths and riding Braun's sack. Don't understand why the fans are up in arms about this.
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For what it’s worth, Conte believes designer steroids – the Clear, for one – are no longer a danger to professional sports. But, the fast-acting testosterone treatments, he said, leave a person’s system within hours, after aiding him in muscle recovery, and so they are undetectable through the most common forms of testing. They also are easily obtainable and often administered as simply as through a patch.
[ Related: Braun takes big risk by going on offensive ]
He said MLB should conduct carbon isotope ratio (CIR) tests, which expose the presence of synthetic testosterone without relying on T/E ratios because it differentiates between synthetic and natural testosterone.
Otherwise, Conte said, “A player could use micro-doses of testosterone after every single game and stay below the 4-to-1 ratio. I think this is an opportunity to make a change. CIR testing – as a screen test, not as a follow-up – would help level the playing field.”
ESPN reported Saturday that Braun tested positive for a performance-enhancing drug and was appealing a 50-game suspension.
Braun – through his agent – has denied intentionally taking a banned substance. His attorney, David Cornwell, said in a statement, “Any report that Ryan ingested a performance-enhancing drug is wrong.”
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Interesting to look back on his attorney's wording. Why did he say 'ingested'. There are other ways of receiving PED's. Patch, cream, etc. that wouldn't involve 'ingesting'.Comment -
yeah it's interesting to look back on wording, but braun said that stuff was never in his body. just to clarify that.
and to clarify my opinion, i'm not saying braun didn't cheat. but it's entirely possible that dude's son pissed in a jar and switched them before they put the seals on in front of braun. also entirely possible that seals were switched, a really tiny hole was poked in the side of the jar to stick something in it, etc etc
the way it was vehemently denied from the start, and the fact that braun doesn't look like he's on steroids leads me to give him the benefit of the doubt.
i thought in this country we were all innocent until proven guilty. in braun's case he is guilty even when proven innocent?Comment -
It doesn't sound like the micro level Conte is talking about is the issue here given the reports of the levels found in the Braun test.Comment -
What's Braun's motivation to lie?
What's the collector's motivation to lie?
Also, some of you 'I call in to sports talk radio because I have the genius reasoning why we have to fire/cut/release/disown the owner/manager/coach/player' types need to actually read the words that have been included in the article before rambling your drivel all over the interwebs.
If they were playing Game 7 of the World Series outside my house I wouldn't open the blinds to watch, so I could give a flip one way or the other if he did it.Comment -
any guys from wisconsin are going to defend this goof.Comment -
Neverstoppers is the biggest fukn homer on the forum
Disregard anything he says. He could have watched Braun take PEDs and still be in here defending him.Comment -
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AND this right here this right here is the exact problem with the public convicting him. they know shit, and just make up shit
HGH IS NOT DECECTABLE IN URINE,
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i give up, i knew from the start, it didn't matter what the facts were, fans are going to be fans and not look clearly at the facts of the case.
i have posted again again the facts. but you guys want to throw around crazy scenerios on how the three passed drug tests don't mean shit, but then want to say one failed drug test means everything and anything in the world. one mofo who i just quoted thinks he tiook hgh because he failed a test.
people are going to make up their minds not on fact but on crazy shit.
passed three tests
failed highest test ever oct 1st.
passed a test a few days later, during which time he played in the most important games in his life. again why would he stop juicing during the playoffs. if you guys think he juiced all through the season,and he somehow passed everyother test in his career on accident.
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if he was juicing he wouldn't say, hey give me anther test the last test was bull shit.
if he was a juicer, he would be sure to juice up during the playoffs.
but anyways i am done. people don't care about the facts of the case, they just want to believe whatever they want to support their fan base.
so-have fun guys debating shit you have no idea what your talking about, like the dumbass who i just quoted who thinks hgh can be deceted in blood. i am out.Comment -
Brauns guilty. Simple as that. The guy can't get anyone, who isn't a Brewer fan, to defend him. He got off due to a technicality and should be quiet about it.Comment -
Fukkin Drama Queen....
All i heard from 20000kms away was that he was exonnerated from taking PED's on the tv and as such automatically thought that someone with his income could afford the best, hence HGH...Fact he chose roids makes me think he is totally amateur and should stick to hitting the ball with a bat...
Yeah i made a mistake, but not as bad as that time when ur father forgot to pull out during that faithful 3 seconds it took to create ur biased arse....Comment -
Coochy are you in aus now?
you excited for NRL kick off? I am fukn pumpedComment
