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    25 Points to whoever can solve this

    I have 5 individual plays that all hit at 60%.

    I will parlay them in as many 2-teamer combinations possible

    I will risk 50 dollars to win 300 on each parlay (ie. a profit of 250)



    1. What is the probability that I turn a profit after all the parlays are over?

    2. Given that the first 2 plays win, what is the probability that I turn a profit?
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    e=7/5x**4657^98923 + 765.333__ 786732;4 = 4%

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    100% in both scenarios.

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    37%

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    46%

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    %50

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    = 4%

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    scenario 1..
    you hit your parlays at 60%..
    this means you hit 3 of the 5 parlays...
    the parlays require an average of approx. +125 bets to pay out 50 to win 250 (300)
    so, you bet 250 (5 x 50) and win 3/5, or 900 total (3 x 300)
    That's a profit of 650 dollars.

    scenario 2, you win 2 out of 5 .. cashing 600 dollars total (300 x 2)
    on 250 bet, so you win 350 dollars.

    In both cases you turn a profit. A guaranteed profit.

    The only exception would be if 3 of your bets were heavy favorites -1000 and -900 and -500 then 2 of your bets were +20000 and +15000, or something extreme, in which case, there is a possibility that the combinations of the super heavy favorites would not return a profit.

    However if you calculate the bets at the average which is about +125, then a profit would be 100% if you go 2/5 or 3/5.

    Without knowing the exact odds of your five bets there is no way to know the exact probability of turning a profit.

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    If the individual plays hit at 60%...

    Again, if some of the plays are extreme -1000, -600, and -450 and +3000, +2000.. There is no way to give an exact probability of turning a profit.

    If all the plays are -110...

    You'd have 120 parlays (5x4x3x2x1) at $50 each for a risked $6000.

    each bet hits 60%, so
    your odds of winning each bet is .6 x .6 or .36 for a payout (european ) of 50(x1.9)>95 (x1.9)=181.
    so 181 x .36 = EV of 65.16 on 50 bet... for a total Expected profit of $7819.20 on $5000 bet or $1819.20

    for 100% probability to turn a profit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GELATINOUS CUBE View Post
    scenario 1..
    you hit your parlays at 60%..
    this means you hit 3 of the 5 parlays...
    the parlays require an average of approx. +125 bets to pay out 50 to win 250 (300)
    so, you bet 250 (5 x 50) and win 3/5, or 900 total (3 x 300)
    That's a profit of 650 dollars.

    scenario 2, you win 2 out of 5 .. cashing 600 dollars total (300 x 2)
    on 250 bet, so you win 350 dollars.

    In both cases you turn a profit. A guaranteed profit.

    The only exception would be if 3 of your bets were heavy favorites -1000 and -900 and -500 then 2 of your bets were +20000 and +15000, or something extreme, in which case, there is a possibility that the combinations of the super heavy favorites would not return a profit.

    However if you calculate the bets at the average which is about +125, then a profit would be 100% if you go 2/5 or 3/5.

    Without knowing the exact odds of your five bets there is no way to know the exact probability of turning a profit.
    Each play (ie each leg) hits at 60%

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    its not 100%

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    nobody is correct so far...

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    If your first 2 bets win, you'd be up $362 on $100 bet,
    and your probability would still be 100% if your bets hit at 60%.

    Of course the variance...

    There is a tiny chance that after 120 bets, you keep losing or the 40% probability of the bet losing keeps happening, however with a sample size of 120 or 118 + 2 winners, that minute variance would be less than 1%, in fact it would be less than .0000001%

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    Thanks rich,
    i calculated originally that each parlay hits at 60%.

    If each leg hits at 60%, even with the juice of -110, you would be very close to 100%.

    What is the juice on the bets?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GELATINOUS CUBE View Post
    Thanks rich,
    i calculated originally that each parlay hits at 60%.

    If each leg hits at 60%, even with the juice of -110, you would be very close to 100%.

    What is the juice on the bets?
    Re-read the question.

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    Well.
    It be 120 parlays,
    with a 36% chance of turning $50 into $181
    and a 64% chance of turning $50 into $0.

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    10 diff combinations of parlays
    36% chance for each 2 team parlay will hit

    10 * .36 = 3.6 = 4 / 10 parlays will hit =
    4(250) - 6(50) = 1000 - 300 = 700

    #1)100% chance profit

    #2)100% chance profit

    im a little high, so my math might be a little off
    Last edited by 36mafia; 12-29-10 at 02:04 AM. Reason: high than i thought i was

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    Quote Originally Posted by GELATINOUS CUBE View Post
    Well.
    It be 120 parlays,
    with a 36% chance of turning $50 into $181
    and a 64% chance of turning $50 into $0.
    Re-read it very slowly

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    It will be very sad if nobody on SBR can answer this...

    Maybe I should have posted this in the think-tank

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    Oh yeah.

    The bets are +125... Or 50 to win 300
    so 120 parlays with a 36% chance of turning $50 into $300
    and a 64% chance of turning $50 into $0.

    For the first scenario...

    Well this is tough, you have 120 parlays... It's a long problem.

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    actually I have 10 parlays.
    1,2
    1,3
    1,4
    1,5
    2,3
    2,4
    2,5
    3,4
    3,5
    4,5

    with 120 different outcomes.1w,2w,3w,4w,5w;;1w,2w,3w,4w,5l, ...etc.

    each leg with a .6 chance of winning...

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    There are actually only 32 possible outcomes...

    I think you should give this up

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    john buck best player in mlb is my answer..

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    1
    2
    3
    4
    5
    1+2
    1+3
    1+4
    1+5
    2+3
    2+4
    2+5
    3+4
    3+5
    4+5
    1+2+3
    1+2+4
    1+2+5
    1+3+4
    1+3+5
    1+4+5
    2+3+4
    2+3+5
    2+4+5
    3+4+5
    1+2+3+4
    1+2+3+5
    1+2+4+5
    1+3+4+5
    2+3+4+5
    1+2+3+4+5
    None

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich Boy View Post
    ..... I will parlay them in as many 2-teamer combinations possible
    if youre exclusively doing 2 teamers, then you only have 10 possible combinations

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    1) 31%
    2) 48%








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    The probability of turning a profit after all the parlay are over is 1 .

    Reason - You must always have a profit. win ratio of the parlay is 3:7
    3*250 = 750
    7*50 = 350
    750 - 350 = 400

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich Boy View Post
    There are actually only 32 possible outcomes...

    I think you should give this up
    is collerated parlay combination possible?

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    The probability is also 1 in the second scenario

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    Easy equation Rich Boy = Idiot

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    27%

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    Slim and None

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    68.7%


    if the first 2 plays win...

    80%

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    explanation;
    you need 3 winners to profit..
    10 parlays will cost you 500 so you need to hit 3 legs, to win at least 900.

    5 winners, at 60% each 1+2+3+4+5 = .6 x .6 x .6 x .6 x .6 =7.7% times 1 possible outcome.
    4 winners at 60% x 1 loser at 40% = 5.2% prob. x 5 poss. outcomes = 26% prob.
    3 winners at 60% x 2 losers at 40% = 3.5% prob x 10 poss. outcomes =35% prob.
    7.7% + 26% + 35% = 68.7% chance of profiting.

    If you hit the first two bets,
    you only need one more.

    www
    wwl
    wlw
    lww
    lwl
    lll
    6 possible outcomes..

    .4 x .4 x. 4 =.064 or 6.4% of losing..
    so 93.6% if you hit the first two legs.

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    correction

    68.7% overall
    93.6% if the first two legs hit.
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