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  • Hawkeye2011
    SBR Wise Guy
    • 12-12-11
    • 840

    #1
    To all those who don't understand taxes
    If I read one more time about Warren Buffetts secretary paying more in taxes then Warren I might explode. So read this and shut up

    Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:

    The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.

    The fifth would pay $1.

    The sixth would pay $3.

    The seventh would pay $7.

    The eighth would pay $12. The ninth would pay $18.

    The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.

    So, that's what they decided to do.

    The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve. "Since you are all such good customers," he said, "I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20."Drinks for the ten now cost just $80.

    The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men - the paying customers? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his 'fair share?' They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer. So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.

    And so:

    The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings).<>The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings).

    The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28%savings).

    The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).

    The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).

    The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).

    Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings.

    "I only got a dollar out of the $20,"declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man," but he got $10!"

    "Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man. "I only saved a dollar, too. It's unfair that he got ten times more than I!"

    "That's true!!" shouted the seventh man. "Why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!"

    "Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison. "We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!"

    The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

    The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn't have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!

    And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.
  • InTheDrink
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 11-23-09
    • 23983

    #2
    I didn't read all that but I saw that it was something about drinking so I nominated it.
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    • Emily_Haines
      SBR Posting Legend
      • 04-14-09
      • 15917

      #3
      What your story doesn't tell is that over the last 20 years

      The first 1-9 salaries increased 100% while the #10 guy's salary increased 400%. Yet this #10 guy will bitch about the taxes when in reality he is 4 times better off than the 9.
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      • playersonly69
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 01-04-08
        • 12827

        #4
        That was a pretty damn good read
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        • UntilTheNDofTimE
          SBR Hall of Famer
          • 05-29-08
          • 9285

          #5
          How about we do this even simpler.....

          The average american family consist of 4. The medium household income is between 38 and 42k a year.

          Just taking the standard deuction this family would have to pay a total amount of taxes of less than 900 dollars. If this family owns a home and pays interest on the home this family would actually get money back even if they claimed exempt the whole year.

          Lets say this family had no tax write offs and paid 900 in taxes for the year. The average american family pays into the 2% tax bracket, yet they complain they are being taken advantage of.
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          • High3rEl3m3nt
            SBR Hall of Famer
            • 09-28-10
            • 8022

            #6
            Parable takes an over simplified view of things, but things are much more complicated when you factor in the role of inflation.
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            • Andy117
              SBR Hall of Famer
              • 02-07-10
              • 9511

              #7
              That story has nothing to do with Buffett's tax rate and the rate of his secretary.
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              • King Mayan
                SBR Posting Legend
                • 09-22-10
                • 21326

                #8
                Does every repub copy and paste that post??
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                • dodger33
                  SBR MVP
                  • 08-14-09
                  • 3962

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Emily_Haines
                  What your story doesn't tell is that over the last 20 years
                  The first 1-9 salaries increased 100% while the #10 guy's salary increased 400%. Yet this #10 guy will bitch about the taxes when in reality he is 4 times better off than the 9.
                  guys 1-9 do not give a shit about their job or advancing in society thus they should be rewarded accordingly. guy #10 busted his ass to make that money. you damn socialists will never understand.
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                  • ericthegangster
                    SBR MVP
                    • 12-10-09
                    • 1764

                    #10
                    Everyone who has read this is dumber than they were before. Congratulations, you have performed a tremendous disservice to the citizens of the USA.
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                    • InTheDrink
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 11-23-09
                      • 23983

                      #11
                      Originally posted by dodger33
                      guys 1-9 do not give a shit about their job or advancing in society thus they should be rewarded accordingly. guy #10 busted his ass to make that money. you damn socialists will never understand.


                      No such thing as nepotism in your world eh? All guys who make it to the top are deserving? Guys who aren't making the top dollar can't be hard working?
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                      • UntilTheNDofTimE
                        SBR Hall of Famer
                        • 05-29-08
                        • 9285

                        #12
                        Fact is unless your single, democrats that make a combined household income under 85,000 dont pay above the 10% tax bracket.
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                        • Hoja Verdes
                          SBR MVP
                          • 08-23-06
                          • 1403

                          #13
                          Originally posted by dodger33
                          guys 1-9 do not give a shit about their job or advancing in society thus they should be rewarded accordingly. guy #10 busted his ass to make that money. you damn socialists will never understand.
                          Chances are #10 inherited the money or made it exploiting 1-9. Try again. Next.
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                          • antifoil
                            SBR MVP
                            • 11-11-09
                            • 3993

                            #14
                            it funny because the conclusion is millionaire won't want to be millionaire anymore because they have to pay more. they will just quit.

                            then guy 9 says fukk it i will be guy 10 and make the millions. you can tax me at that rate. i don't care i will be taking more home in the end.
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                            • NHL Pro Capper
                              SBR Wise Guy
                              • 07-06-11
                              • 604

                              #15
                              Emily don't you have some US battleship to warn us about getting blown up?
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                              • mrmarket
                                SBR MVP
                                • 01-26-10
                                • 4953

                                #16
                                Buffett just continuously differs capital gains taxes. He never sold berskhire and allowed retained earnings to compound within the holding company. If taxes had to be paid on gains they were done at corporate rates which were more favorable and could be offset by deductions.

                                individual and household income don't have the same advantages.
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                                • dodger33
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 08-14-09
                                  • 3962

                                  #17
                                  Once upon a time a man, named Warren, made some money. That year he paid 30% tax on the money he made. So out of his 100 income he is only left with 70 bucks. With that 70 bucks he buys stock A. Now lets say in 10 years that stock is worth 105 dollars. Now he has to pay 15% tax on the 35 dollar gain from the stock sale. Now he pays 15% tax on money he has ALREADY PAID 30% TAX ON! So now Warren has made 135 dollars and only has 100 bucks left. Can't you fuks add? He paid a lower percent tax than his secretary this year but that money didn't come from his ass. He has already paid tax on it now he is paying tax TWICE! How fukking hard is that to understand??
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                                  • antifoil
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 11-11-09
                                    • 3993

                                    #18
                                    you know you don't have to set up a business as a corporation right?
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                                    • dodger33
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 08-14-09
                                      • 3962

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by Hoja Verdes
                                      Chances are #10 inherited the money or made it exploiting 1-9. Try again. Next.
                                      Classic lib post. Let me guess #10 also slaughtered endangered baby seals and beats up on disabled people. Last I checked we live in a free market. If you feel you are getting exploited and can't change the situation you either have a shitty education and can't get a different job, lack work ethic, or don't have the stones to take a fukking risk.
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                                      • dbartinbwgc
                                        SBR Wise Guy
                                        • 11-11-08
                                        • 795

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Hawkeye2011
                                        If I read one more time about Warren Buffetts secretary paying more in taxes then Warren I might explode. So read this and shut up

                                        Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:

                                        The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.

                                        The fifth would pay $1.

                                        The sixth would pay $3.

                                        The seventh would pay $7.

                                        The eighth would pay $12. The ninth would pay $18.

                                        The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.

                                        So, that's what they decided to do.

                                        The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve. "Since you are all such good customers," he said, "I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20."Drinks for the ten now cost just $80.

                                        The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men - the paying customers? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his 'fair share?' They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer. So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.

                                        And so:

                                        The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings).<>The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings).

                                        The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28%savings).

                                        The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).

                                        The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).

                                        The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).

                                        Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings.

                                        "I only got a dollar out of the $20,"declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man," but he got $10!"

                                        "Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man. "I only saved a dollar, too. It's unfair that he got ten times more than I!"

                                        "That's true!!" shouted the seventh man. "Why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!"

                                        "Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison. "We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!"

                                        The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

                                        The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn't have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!

                                        And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.
                                        I also heard it in a way say you take 9 friends out to eat and you pay the bill for the party of 10.
                                        The meal is not that good and as you go to pay the manager says it will be free.
                                        so The 9 people want their money back even though they didnt pay for anything.
                                        so the manager has how about you pay the bill and i'll give everyone gift certificates
                                        to come back another time.
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                                        • ttwarrior1
                                          BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                          • 06-23-09
                                          • 28460

                                          #21
                                          of course the rich pay more taxes, u don't do it by the amount, you do it by the percentage you ******* dumbass

                                          One guy buys a boat for ten k and pays taxes on it. One guy buys a yacht for 2 million. Of course the one paying for the yacht is paying more taxes

                                          All your doing is commiting the fallacy of context switching

                                          You just got owned
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                                          • dodger33
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 08-14-09
                                            • 3962

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by InTheDrink

                                            No such thing as nepotism in your world eh? All guys who make it to the top are deserving? Guys who aren't making the top dollar can't be hard working?
                                            The world isn't fair pal. Some people are born with big swinging diks and some people have tuna cans for roosters. Sitting at home and crying about what's fair won't get you very far. Last I checked this still is America and hard work and some common sense will take you a long way. Not saying that nepotism isn't a very possible option but at least you were born with the option to change your future. How about being born in a small village in Africa in the middle of BFE. Those kids are fukked.
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                                            • ttwarrior1
                                              BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                              • 06-23-09
                                              • 28460

                                              #23
                                              the rich don't put there money into the economy, they put it in the stock market, banks, etc

                                              They do not put it in the economy

                                              Also if your against obama you would of not posted that. Republicans want the poor, mid class to pay more and rich pay less
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                                              • MatI
                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                • 02-17-11
                                                • 5200

                                                #24
                                                All you dickheads think you are person #10.

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                                                • Hawkeye2011
                                                  SBR Wise Guy
                                                  • 12-12-11
                                                  • 840

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by ttwarrior1
                                                  the rich don't put there money into the economy, they put it in the stock market, banks, etc

                                                  They do not put it in the economy

                                                  Also if your against obama you would of not posted that. Republicans want the poor, mid class to pay more and rich pay less
                                                  I don't feel like rich people should be punished for being smart with their money and not blowing it all on cars and blow. I also don't believe that poor mid class should pay more for taxes, but the answer to everything is not tax the rich more. They are rich (In most cases, not all) because of being smart and working hard
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                                                  • dodger33
                                                    SBR MVP
                                                    • 08-14-09
                                                    • 3962

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by ttwarrior1
                                                    Republicans want the poor, mid class to pay more and rich pay less
                                                    You have to be the most ignorant person on this message board. 50% of the entire united states does not pay federal income tax. You would probably complain if we asked that 50% to pay $1. You damn bleeding hearts need to stop drowning the world with your poor us sympathetic bs lies. Help yourself to a fukking textbook.
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                                                    • Extra Innings
                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                      • 02-26-10
                                                      • 15058

                                                      #27
                                                      Top 1% pay 50%, it's that simple.
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                                                      • dodger33
                                                        SBR MVP
                                                        • 08-14-09
                                                        • 3962

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by Extra Innings
                                                        Top 1% pay 50%, it's that simple.
                                                        Wait it can't really be that simple can it? I mean I thought they don't pay any tax at all? I thought my secretary's dog paid more tax than the top 1%?
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                                                        • Hawkeye2011
                                                          SBR Wise Guy
                                                          • 12-12-11
                                                          • 840

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by dodger33
                                                          Wait it can't really be that simple can it? I mean I thought they don't pay any tax at all? I thought my secretary's dog paid more tax than the top 1%?
                                                          Keep it coming Dodger....you are on fire
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                                                          • dodger33
                                                            SBR MVP
                                                            • 08-14-09
                                                            • 3962

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by Hawkeye2011

                                                            Keep it coming Dodger....you are on fire
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                                                            • antifoil
                                                              SBR MVP
                                                              • 11-11-09
                                                              • 3993

                                                              #31
                                                              let's be honest even most of the rich people are idiots.

                                                              they fukked up by not getting involved in the hedge fund and private equity game. they you would only need to pay 15%.
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                                                              • antifoil
                                                                SBR MVP
                                                                • 11-11-09
                                                                • 3993

                                                                #32
                                                                this parable has given me a new way i think people should be taxed.

                                                                people that create companies and corporations should get taxed at a reasonable rate. then the management, BOD, and other higher up personal should get an increasingly higher tax rate the longer they are in management and as their salary goes up. this way number ten will get pissed and quit then number 9 can take over for 10.

                                                                this will help push people along before corruption sets in.
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                                                                • ttwarrior1
                                                                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                                  • 06-23-09
                                                                  • 28460

                                                                  #33
                                                                  sorry, the rich need to pay more taxes and quit thinking of it as punishment for being rich
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                                                                  • Hawkeye2011
                                                                    SBR Wise Guy
                                                                    • 12-12-11
                                                                    • 840

                                                                    #34
                                                                    They will always pay more in taxes....but the rich shouldn't have to pay 35% income tax. They will naturally pay more in taxes if they make more
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                                                                    • Salmon Steak
                                                                      SBR MVP
                                                                      • 03-05-10
                                                                      • 2110

                                                                      #35
                                                                      I don't understand why everyone doesn't just pay the same percentage. 20%, 25%, 30%, whatever. Pick a number and roll with it. Poor, rich, all the same percent.
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