What is SBR's stance on the Bodog Poker security problem?

**nosniboR11** · 12-05-11, 06:48 PM

bodog becky will be giving a company response soon about how safe it is

**hels** · 12-05-11, 06:54 PM

Bodog has always been sketch. I would not sit at the poker tables there.

**daneblazer** · 12-05-11, 07:11 PM

Originally posted by nosniboR11

bodog becky will be giving a company response soon about how safe it is

Bodog's reps catch a lot of heat at times, but this is a time where I feel bad for them. I don't want to use the word misled, but I can't think of another one. They were relaying a message that was given to them by management. Either management knew about the flaws and chose to ignore it or management was mislead by the programmers. What's even worse/funnier is they might not even choose to fix it. From what I gather, this isn't an easy fix.

**nosniboR11** · 12-05-11, 07:25 PM

Originally posted by daneblazer

Bodog's reps catch a lot of heat at times, but this is a time where I feel bad for them. I don't want to use the word misled, but I can't think of another one. They were relaying a message that was given to them by management. Either management knew about the flaws and chose to ignore it or management was mislead by the programmers. What's even worse/funnier is they might not even choose to fix it. From what I gather, this isn't an easy fix.

good post

**prop** · 12-05-11, 08:39 PM

Bodog has a made an army of enemies now. It's extremely foolish of them not to expect this as the poker community has illustrated many times how far their influences span. Combined has ties to DOJ, FBI, CIA and any other three letter acronym you want to pass out, plus lawyers, judges, statisticians, programmers, hackers, bankers, accountants, doctors, garbage men and could go on and listing. There are lot of people very passionate about the game as sport. If there's something to find it will be found - to know you're about to pull off something that will anger the poker community and to fail to this epic of a proportion amplifies their incompetency.

The amazing thing is it looked they were serious about IT too.

Bodog Hires AJ Thompson

Anyone who's been around on sports betting forums might recall way back when Pinnacle launched their first website (that could actually take bets) he was the guy posting on forums introducing it discussing what to expect etc. Apparently these guys had a falling out though because soon later DirecBet.com was launched with him as IT guy and think his father might of been the owner? (don't quote me on that last part for certain - just going off memory here) and they hired away Pinnacle's spokesperson and several other staff. This company was a bust with very long period of slow pays then went under. Later he became CTO of expekt though - and considering more than one large company has hired him he must of been good for something right?

I have no idea if he's still with them or not, but Ayre's blog has covered all these posts about new hires and getting the best IT experts from around the industry.

How do this many people fail? How running a gambling site do you not have security experts test the hell out of it first looking for exploits. What was the big hurry to launch the project prematurely that something this serious gets missed? Absolutely mind boggling.

**daneblazer** · 12-05-11, 10:30 PM

Thank you for contacting Bodog Poker Customer Service.

It's very understandable if our players are very concerned about the security of their accounts because of this video that has been posted on the internet but we are assuring all of our players that all your account information is secured. We are aware of this video and we are investigating looking into this.

Regarding your concern with our software being viewed in 2+2 and that account numbers are visible, we are aware that account numbers can be viewed in the back end of the software as they exist so that we can still monitor the activity of our players for security and reporting purposes. In a future phase of improvements, we will likely remove these numbers so that they can only be viewed internally and not externally using the software you're inquiring about.

As per the anonymity of our Poker tables, for the vast majority of our players, they will not know who they are playing against as they can't see a screen name or account number while at the tables; however,

if someone wants to and has the technical skills to develop the software you saw on the forum they are able to - we are confident this will only be pursued in very isolated cases between now and a future upgrade which will prevent it from working.

Thank you very much for writing. Should you have any questions, or require any further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact us.

Regards,

Poker Customer Service

poker@bodog.eu
1-866-909-ACES (2237)

**Trident** · 12-05-11, 10:31 PM

Originally posted by nosniboR11

bodog becky will be giving a company response soon about how safe it is

**donjuan** · 12-06-11, 01:02 AM

Originally posted by Trident

Baghdad Becky is a more appropriate name. And she had the gall recently to attack someone for calling Bodog scummy.

**TheMoneyShot** · 12-06-11, 01:05 AM

**daneblazer** · 12-06-11, 11:51 AM

Well apparently what Bodog is going to do is post on their facebook page that the video is not credible and avoid the forums.

I believe another video is due today and from what I heard it's going to show how easy it is to hack into user accounts.

**Legions36** · 12-06-11, 12:21 PM

Just for the record why would SBR care about Bodog's security issues, i thought SBR is a sportsbook forum and not a poker forum. All i see u doing OP is complaining about this, most people when they don't like something just don't use it.

**muldoon** · 12-06-11, 01:01 PM

Originally posted by Legions36

Just for the record why would SBR care about Bodog's security issues, i thought SBR is a sportsbook forum and not a poker forum. All i see u doing OP is complaining about this, most people when they don't like something just don't use it.

#1 - Bodog is an advertiser here
#2 - SBR has a poker forum (so it's not just a sports forum)
#3 - SBR is an arbiter of disputes when it comes to players having issues/problems with books.

**zam77** · 12-06-11, 01:02 PM

Originally posted by Legions36

Just for the record why would SBR care about Bodog's security issues, i thought SBR is a sportsbook forum and not a poker forum. All i see u doing OP is complaining about this, most people when they don't like something just don't use it.

From what I can see a significant amount of SBR's efforts and investments over the past year have gone into their poker client. Not sure it makes sense to assume they are just a sportsbook forum although that is the spine of the company. At any rate it's very obvious all forms of gambling are dealt with here and the subject matter of the OP is very relevant considering there are a significant amount of posters who play at bodog.

**Legions36** · 12-06-11, 01:39 PM

Originally posted by muldoon

#1 - Bodog is an advertiser here
#2 - SBR has a poker forum (so it's not just a sports forum)
#3 - SBR is an arbiter of disputes when it comes to players having issues/problems with books.

Not saying that they won't deal with issues but i do know and i heard it from there own mouths that they are a sportsbook site. Like i said they really don't care about poker and poker issues they just go extra to help people. And i mainly was stating that OP sounds like a crybaby not only on this thread but on a few others with the same Bodog update crap and im trying to get him to get over it.
I forgot we got anal people here that correct every word u write here, i gotta remember to make myself more clear.

**donjuan** · 12-06-11, 01:39 PM

Originally posted by Legions36

Just for the record why would SBR care about Bodog's security issues, i thought SBR is a sportsbook forum and not a poker forum. All i see u doing OP is complaining about this, most people when they don't like something just don't use it.

SBR handles casino disputes all the time.

**Trident** · 12-06-11, 02:22 PM

Bodog Poker Customer Service

As per the anonymity of our Poker tables, for the vast majority of our players, they will not know who they are playing against as they can't see a screen name or account number while at the tables; however, if someone wants to and has the technical skills to develop the software you saw on the forum they are able to - we are confident this will only be pursued in very isolated cases between now and a future upgrade which will prevent it from working.

**muldoon** · 12-06-11, 02:59 PM

Originally posted by Legions36

And i mainly was stating that OP sounds like a crybaby not only on this thread but on a few others with the same Bodog update crap and im trying to get him to get over it.
I forgot we got anal people here that correct every word u write here, i gotta remember to make myself more clear.

Sounds like your issue is really with OP, and that you were just looking for an excuse to use the word anal.

**Legions36** · 12-06-11, 03:11 PM

Originally posted by muldoon

Sounds like your issue is really with OP, and that you were just looking for an excuse to use the word anal.

Pretty much only about OP....

**BiTeMe UsAdOj** · 12-06-11, 03:16 PM

Hey daneblazer... just want to say a big THANK YOU for all the great info (links, vids, comments) you've been providing to all us SBR'ers regarding this Bodog debacle. Sincerely, great job, bud!

And, oh yeah... Legions36 is a clueless moron, but everybody knows that.

**SBR Lou** · 12-06-11, 03:17 PM

Bodog's email summarized well. Obviously no matter what platform you use, script kiddies can make programs to override certain software defaults. In this case the script reveals the player's account number since Bodog no longer displays the poker user ID. You could still in the past run password bots to try to log into a user's poker account anyway.

That aside, Bodog has obviously addressed the situation and plans to resolve it in the next poker update. I'd suggest reading SBR's guide to account security for anyone concerned that someone could take a login username and try to crack the PW. Use a strong PW just like you would doing online banking.

**daneblazer** · 12-06-11, 03:19 PM

Originally posted by Legions36

And i mainly was stating that OP sounds like a crybaby not only on this thread but on a few others with the same Bodog update crap and im trying to get him to get over it.
I forgot we got anal people here that correct every word u write here, i gotta remember to make myself more clear.

I've played there for a very long time and have put in hundreds of thousands of hands so this is very interesting to me. What I'm watching is basically the death of their poker site. Not only have they made the tables anonymous to anyone who can't crack them, but the software now is unplayable. Do they have every right to do this? Absolutely. But it is a shame in this day where it's so hard for US players to find a decent place to play that they would purposely do this to run players off. And let's face it, that is what this is about, running good players off. The reason is so the bad players will trade chips with each other and knock it off in the sports book and the casino. Winning players withdraw, which takes money off their economy and those in itself probably cost the company a fortune in shipping and processing fees every month.

But that's not even the bigger issue. They screamed from the mountain top that nobody could have an unfair advantage, that nobody would be able to hack their code, and it was done within a few hours. Then they frantically posted random posts on their facebook account saying the video was a fake while completely vanishing off of every forum that pertained to sports betting and poker the past 24 hours while sending out emails that everything was fine.

They Lied

HH Smithy cracked their tackles. Unless hhSmithy who cracked the code or some outside organization tells you that Bodog is or is not safe, what will you assume? Is it safe? Is it hackable? If there isn't a more obvious situation that proves the need for individual analysis to audit these sites, this is it.

So call me bitter, call me a crybaby, whatever. This interests me and with all of the time I have spent on their poker site I have every right to be interested in it. Others need to know. I think the some are holding out hope that they are going to the old format, but it's pretty clear they've made their decision and this is the way it will be. It's such a shame because they are great with their payments and it was a very enjoyable place to play poker.

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**nosniboR11** · 12-06-11, 03:31 PM

lol, just dont play at bodog , they are not to be trusted

**daneblazer** · 12-06-11, 03:58 PM

Part 2

**BeerDog99** · 12-06-11, 04:04 PM

Originally posted by Legions36

Not saying that they won't deal with issues but i do know and i heard it from there own mouths that they are a sportsbook site. Like i said they really don't care about poker and poker issues they just go extra to help people. And i mainly was stating that OP sounds like a crybaby not only on this thread but on a few others with the same Bodog update crap and im trying to get him to get over it.
I forgot we got anal people here that correct every word u write here, i gotta remember to make myself more clear.

I'm not going to bother to point out the areas that have already been pointed out by other posters of where you are wrong in your assertions but I will say two things:

1) What Daneblazer has posted about Bodog recently and what I have personally seen in the past from him, can't be further from a real description of being a crybaby. Much the opposite, he usually berates the crybabies and conspiracy theorists.

2) Whether you like it or not, there are many people on here who find the links/updates/info Daneblazer provides very valuable. If you don't like, use your own advice, ignore it. Remember you are the guy that thinks that only fish should be concerned with collusion and other forms of cheating. Keep focused on taking all of our fish money and dont worry about our concerns.

Cheers.

**Trident** · 12-06-11, 04:12 PM

Originally posted by SBR Lou

That aside, Bodog has obviously addressed the situation and plans to resolve it in the next poker update.

What have they addressed other than we know we have security issues with our site but don't worry we will fix it later.

Any financial institution or commercial website would shut down their site immediately once it was known they have a security issue like this.

**donjuan** · 12-06-11, 04:12 PM

Originally posted by SBR Lou

Bodog's email summarized well. Obviously no matter what platform you use, script kiddies can make programs to override certain software defaults. In this case the script reveals the player's account number since Bodog no longer displays the poker user ID. You could still in the past run password bots to try to log into a user's poker account anyway.

That aside, Bodog has obviously addressed the situation and plans to resolve it in the next poker update. I'd suggest reading SBR's guide to account security for anyone concerned that someone could take a login username and try to crack the PW. Use a strong PW just like you would doing online banking.

What a ridiculous response. SBR gets worse by the month.

**Gmen30** · 12-06-11, 04:56 PM

Originally posted by BeerDog99

I'm not going to bother to point out the areas that have already been pointed out by other posters of where you are wrong in your assertions but I will say two things: 1) What Daneblazer has posted about Bodog recently and what I have personally seen in the past from him, can't be further from a real description of being a crybaby. Much the opposite, he usually berates the crybabies and conspiracy theorists. 2) Whether you like it or not, there are many people on here who find the links/updates/info Daneblazer provides very valuable. If you don't like, use your own advice, ignore it. Remember you are the guy that thinks that only fish should be concerned with collusion and other forms of cheating. Keep focused on taking all of our fish money and dont worry about our concerns. Cheers.

Well said Beer Dog. It seems Legions shills for every site out there. He still doesn't fully understand how Full Tilt illegally used player deposits to line their own pockets. Reasoning with Legions is like shoveling sand into the ocean,completely futile.

**BodogBecky** · 12-06-11, 06:30 PM

Bodog Poker software update

From Bodog Network re: the security issue:

"The talents of the online poker community have been enormously helpful in testing the new software we have released. Obviously, any release has its teething problems and equally obviously we take any fault very seriously & we have released an update which we are confident has addressed the most pressing issues.

The input of poker players and software professionals since launch has helped us make our system more robust and highlight how strong the poker community is.

As for the debate on the rights and wrongs of anonymous tables we are thrilled with how the pros and cons are being discussed. From our own stand point we are sure that depositing players are the lifeblood of the industry and encouraging the casual player to have a better experience will make the poker eco-system better for all types of player".

Thanks,
Becky

**donjuan** · 12-06-11, 06:55 PM

Originally posted by BodogBecky

From Bodog Network re: the security issue:

"The talents of the online poker community have been enormously helpful in testing the new software we have released. Obviously, any release has its teething problems and equally obviously we take any fault very seriously & we have released an update which we are confident has addressed the most pressing issues.

The input of poker players and software professionals since launch has helped us make our system more robust and highlight how strong the poker community is.

As for the debate on the rights and wrongs of anonymous tables we are thrilled with how the pros and cons are being discussed. From our own stand point we are sure that depositing players are the lifeblood of the industry and encouraging the casual player to have a better experience will make the poker eco-system better for all types of player".

Thanks,
Becky

That was the best you guys could come up with after 24 hours of silence? LOL

**jimmyeatworld** · 12-06-11, 07:36 PM

bodog poker is leaving the us market anyway in about 25 days are they not?

**donjuan** · 12-06-11, 08:40 PM

Originally posted by jimmyeatworld

bodog poker is leaving the us market anyway in about 25 days are they not?

No, they're just "re-branding" in order to deceive the UK Gambling Commission. Sounds like fraud to me, but Bodog calls it re-branding.

**snoopaloop31** · 12-06-11, 09:50 PM

What a crock. I didnt even know about this.

**daneblazer** · 12-06-11, 10:01 PM

lol, nice spin here

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**daneblazer** · 12-06-11, 10:06 PM