Mayweather Wants Pacman on May 5th

[phillybadboy]

No they aren't. Floyd is 34 and Pacquiao is 32. Both still have exceptional speed so it would be a great fight to make. It's not as simple as Floyd is the boxer and Pacquiao is the slugger because Pacquiao's hands are pretty damn fast.

actually by fight time they'll both be at least 35 yers old, and actually pacquiao is semi retired, pacquiao is 34 right now

[FuzzyDunlop]

Mayweather has put himself in a position where the only fight people want to see now is him vs. Manny. Yeah, we would have asked questions about 'what if', but he could have milked a couple more 1M+ PPV Buyrates against anyone that was left and all we would be left with is the 'what if' and he leaves undefeated and one of the greatest of all time. Now he's a 'who cares (unless it's Manny)', those buyrates are gone for anyone but Manny now and he's either going to have to go to the $34.99/PPV range or fight him.

[pacers101]

dang floyd ran out of money already?

[bobby heenan]

wont happen cause fairyweather is a fukn coward.

his jocksniffers blaming bob arum is ridiculous. no one turns down $50 mil cause they "dislike" someone.

yer a clown...and know absolutely next to nothing

arum would keep avoiding this fight forever if he could....sure its a great chance to make money....but hes already making tons of money matching pac against the likes of clottey, shane, and jmm...and theres about zero risk he would lose to any of those guys....if he loses to floyd his star drops signifigantly.....arum is also 80 years old and has enough money to last 800 lifetimes.....you trying to tell me some rich jewish man wouldnt pass up on a fight to stick it to a young black millionaire that he doesnt like? the best part for bob is...people like you who are clueless continue to think its floyd who has held this fight up....lol...so bob is winning the war already

[Vegas39]

actually by fight time they'll both be at least 35 yers old, and actually pacquiao is semi retired, pacquiao is 34 right now

Semi Retired ??

He is fighting Marquez next Saturday at MGM in Vegas

[teaserpleaser]

dang floyd ran out of money already?

Doubt it

[bobby heenan]

Mayweather has put himself in a position where the only fight people want to see now is him vs. Manny. Yeah, we would have asked questions about 'what if', but he could have milked a couple more 1M+ PPV Buyrates against anyone that was left and all we would be left with is the 'what if' and he leaves undefeated and one of the greatest of all time. Now he's a 'who cares (unless it's Manny)', those buyrates are gone for anyone but Manny now and he's either going to have to go to the $34.99/PPV range or fight him.

manny should be held to the same standard as floyd....we should demand the same from him...because floyd is the only person we should be wanting to see him fight

the shane fight was a joke...this 3rd jmm fight is years overdue....when floyd dominated jmm the pac fans/naysayers said that jmm didnt belong fighting up at that high of a weightclass...that jmm couldnt carry his skills two weightclasses higher...that he didnt belong there.....where is the outcry now that pac is fighting him at the same weight?......where is the public pressure on manny to get the fight with floyd done??

to be honest...if floyd doesnt fight manny in may...and fights amir khan...it will be a big fight that sells very well and i couldnt be mad at him....but the one other fight out there that will get floyd alot of props from his naysayers would be a catchweight fight with sergio martinez.....i want to see floyd/pac as bad as anyone(im a floyd fan...but ive been to pac/hatton and pac/cotto...both awesome events...its just never worked out for me to get out to one of floyds fights schedule wise)....but if he doesnt get it in may...there are two pretty intriguing fights for him....

[phillybadboy]

Semi Retired ?? He is fighting Marquez next Saturday at MGM in Vegas

he fights once every two years, regular fighters fight 3 times a year

[cadillac pete]

He must have lost a big bet on the Chargers ML when Rivers botched the snap. He needs the cash I guess.

[Vegas39]

he fights once every two years, regular fighters fight 3 times a year

Saturday will be his 5th fight in 2 years but nice try

[bobby heenan]

kind of makes me ill to watch these casual fans come here and chime in with stupid comments...90 percent of the guys that come in threads around here are not hardcore, everyday, boxing fans...they are guys who see or hear something on espn and think they know whats up...its pretty disgusting....i see espnnews talking about this potential fight today and throwing up some "timeline"...which is so ridiculous...it leaves out so much crap and shows just how good arum is at playing the media/general public

when they were supposedly negotiating the first time....arum had cowboy stadium in his mind for pac the whole time....it was his idea to find a new venue...something fresh for manny....he was never trying to make the fight with floyd...he had josh clottey ready for pac in dallas the whole time he was pretending to make a fight with floyd.....

at that time shane mosley was signed to fight andre berto on hbo....bob arum knew this and knew that if he walked away from floyd that floyd would have no one to fight...no name opponent...no one anyone would care about....meanwhile he and pac, pac being the media darling he is, would have a spectacle fight at cowboy stadium......he was trying to stick it to floyd

but arum forgot that floyd and berto share the same manager al haymon...well that was right around the time the earthquake in haiti hit....berto being haitian....floyd went to haymon and said "tell young boy to move out my way...i want shane"....im sure berto was given some money....he said the earthquake hit him hard and he withdrew from the shane fight.......and floyd "stepped" right in....and floyd had a big name opponent....and one that his staunchest critics said he would never fight and was afraid to......and remember...at the time shane was coming off a huge with against margarito...n floyd haters said he was afraid of him....lolol...anyway....floyd found a dance partner that ole bob thought he couldnt do when he walked away from him....and the fight sold very well and floyd made a ton of money

the end

[bobby heenan]

its such a joke....espn puts up this timeline today

dec 2009-both sides negotiating
jan 2010-bob arum says "fight is off"...

haha ok...thanks....wanna tell us why the fight is off? and what makes arum the authority??.....lol...the reason it was off is because he didnt want the ******* fight...he wanted pac fighting in cowboy stadium against one of his in house top rank fighters so he can take all the money from it....

[King Mayan]

No way they fight on cinco de mayo.. Gayfeather will fight a unknown Mexican..

[iQon]

It amazes me how susceptible you people are. You believe everything you're told. This fight's not gonna happen. Just like Floyd tried to hype up his little fight with Ortiz by saying Pacquiao was next, then he says he never said that 2 weeks later? Just like Sergio Martinez said "yes" to the assumption he was negotiating with Floyd to sell his last fight. 2 weeks later his manager says "I don't know where that rumor started, we've never been in negotiations."

I don't even have to click on that link. If someone from Floyd's camp is saying Manny's name, they're just trying to sell another fight. That or drag their name's through the mud to sway the leverage their way.

[bobby heenan]

ahhh..and heres what bob says

Top Rank Inc. Bob Arum
"It's a difficult fight to make, first of all, they've already said that it's May 5. They already said that it's at the MGM. How dare them? I'm really outraged that they made the announcement now right before Manny's fight, and we'll remember that," said Arum.

"And who are they to say what date that the fight would be held? What kind of of negotiation is that? So, if the MGM gave them May 5, then, Manny may fight somebody else in April in Texas or in the Thomas and Mack. This is not the way to make a deal."

arum already using the excuse that "they" went about it all wrong.....like i said before...bob had cowboy stadium set aside for manny when he was supposedly trying to make a fight with floyd.....hows that any different....floyd has the mgm held for may 5th....step up bob....but see bob already getting mad....because how dare some young black millionaire dictate when he wants the fight to happen right? how dare some kid who left bobs company to become a megastar in the sport actually dictate when the fight happens?

floyd has set aside the perfect date for them...gives them plenty of time to promote and train....and is waiting....and this guy is acting like its some big uproar..."well remember this"...lolol

[Pabinator]

Pacroid wont take the test

[Grits n' Gravy]

ive seen lines up in several places over the course of the last couple of years.....but i dont recall ever seeing pac as a favorite...even the tiniest

but i agree...depending on who you like you will never see an opportunity to make money on/or a line on either guy like this.....

i personally think floyd beats him...rather easily....and it will shock some casual fans how easy

After Floyd beat Marquez and Manny beat whoever around that time, Station Casinos put out a number with Floyd either +120 or +140. Max you could put down was 20k and bet was live until end of calendar year. If fight never happened bet was refunded. I honestly can't remember what the + money was(leaning +120), but it was there and I had a max bet ticket on Floyd that collected interest for the company before being refunded. Within a week of the number coming out, Floyd was bet up to the favorite.

I like both fighters and have seen them each fight up close many times over the years and right now Floyd is simply too big, too fast and too smart in the ring for Manny. Fight happens today, I take Floyd to win by a decision that will be judged closer than the fight really is just to generate buzz for a remtach. The thing Floyd needs to worry about is speed goes away before power and when it is gone, it is gone. Look at Sweet Pea and Roy.

The fight if it is to ever happen, will take place in Vegas. MGM already has talked to Steve Wynn about partnering up if Arum gets Jerry Jones to empty his bank accounts to hold it in Texas. Too much gambling and f&b revenue at stake to put the most hyped fight in the place where a shitty team tries to play football.

[dfberger23]

This better happen, only fight in boxing anyone cares about. Sick of these two fighting scrubs.

I would go big on Pac, fuk Mayweather he is such a pussy.

[bobby heenan]

After Floyd beat Marquez and Manny beat whoever around that time, Station Casinos put out a number with Floyd either +120 or +140. Max you could put down was 20k and bet was live until end of calendar year. If fight never happened bet was refunded. I honestly can't remember what the + money was(leaning +120), but it was there and I had a max bet ticket on Floyd that collected interest for the company before being refunded. Within a week of the number coming out, Floyd was bet up to the favorite.

I like both fighters and have seen them each fight up close many times over the years and right now Floyd is simply too big, too fast and too smart in the ring for Manny. Fight happens today, I take Floyd to win by a decision that will be judged closer than the fight really is just to generate buzz for a remtach. The thing Floyd needs to worry about is speed goes away before power and when it is gone, it is gone. Look at Sweet Pea and Roy.

The fight if it is to ever happen, will take place in Vegas. MGM already has talked to Steve Wynn about partnering up if Arum gets Jerry Jones to empty his bank accounts to hold it in Texas. Too much gambling and f&b revenue at stake to put the most hyped fight in the place where a shitty team tries to play football.

wow...i never saw floyd at plus money but i believe you

and yes the fight has to happen in vegas....the live gate there is much better for these guys...site fee and ticket prices are more expensive in vegas....and there is no state tax i believe....if compare pacs live gates from dallas against clottey and margs to what he did in vegas against shane, cotto, or jmm ....they are much better in vegas

this is a brilliant move by floyd anyway

because even if the pac fight doesnt come off...he has a prime date reserved.....i think arum is a little pissed about that.....

but also...arum has been going around trying to create the notion that floyd is scared and is the reason....well floyd has reserved a logical date and the most logical venue and is saying he wants the fight...so its gonna become harder for bob to convince the people that is floyds fault...

but already you can see...no less than a day or so after floyd drops this on us....bob is already trying to talk his way out of it with his "how dare they" nonsense...its called a power move bob....just like the one he pulled on you when he got mosley...when you thought no way he wanted to fight shane and no way he could get him since he was already signed to fight berto

[PhillyFlyers]

After Floyd beat Marquez and Manny beat whoever around that time, Station Casinos put out a number with Floyd either +120 or +140. Max you could put down was 20k and bet was live until end of calendar year. If fight never happened bet was refunded. I honestly can't remember what the + money was(leaning +120), but it was there and I had a max bet ticket on Floyd that collected interest for the company before being refunded. Within a week of the number coming out, Floyd was bet up to the favorite.

I like both fighters and have seen them each fight up close many times over the years and right now Floyd is simply too big, too fast and too smart in the ring for Manny. Fight happens today, I take Floyd to win by a decision that will be judged closer than the fight really is just to generate buzz for a remtach. The thing Floyd needs to worry about is speed goes away before power and when it is gone, it is gone. Look at Sweet Pea and Roy.

The fight if it is to ever happen, will take place in Vegas. MGM already has talked to Steve Wynn about partnering up if Arum gets Jerry Jones to empty his bank accounts to hold it in Texas. Too much gambling and f&b revenue at stake to put the most hyped fight in the place where a shitty team tries to play football.

I favor Pacquiao. If you watched the Mayweather-Ortiz fight, some glaring weaknesses were exposed in Floyd's game. Perhaps for the first time too.

Ortiz was able to hit Floyd when Floyd was moving forward. It was the first time I've ever seen someone be able to do this to Floyd and I've watched Floyd his whole career. The fact that Floyd really didn't/couldn't slip Ortiz's punches moving forward would be devastating to Floyd in a fight with Pacman.

If this is the new Floyd then I would worry if I was a Mayweather fan.

[bobby heenan]

I favor Pacquiao. If you watched the Mayweather-Ortiz fight, some glaring weaknesses were exposed in Floyd's game. Perhaps for the first time too.

Ortiz was able to hit Floyd when Floyd was moving forward. It was the first time I've ever seen someone be able to do this to Floyd and I've watched Floyd his whole career. The fact that Floyd really didn't/couldn't slip Ortiz's punches moving forward would be devastating to Floyd in a fight with Pacman.

If this is the new Floyd then I would worry if I was a Mayweather fan.

ya...that lefthanded super middleweight(essentially) that was in front of floyd was landing at an alarming rate wasnt he! lol...

[Spaceman Spiff]

I'm not getting excited until I see these two guys actually standing in the ring. I'm sick of the banter back and forth, and the dumbass fans claiming either fighter is scared. Just fight already or forget about the fight.

[PhillyFlyers]

ya...that lefthanded super middleweight(essentially) that was in front of floyd was landing at an alarming rate wasnt he! lol...

It was Floyd's inability to slip those punches and being hit that is worrisome. Try that against Pacman and it'll be lights out.

[Lo-CalDallasBuKe]

Pretty Boy Floyd Vs. Pacman - This is bigger than the Superbowl.

If this is at cowboy stadium, I will sell my house to go to this fight.

[bobby heenan]

It was Floyd's inability to slip those punches and being hit that is worrisome. Try that against Pacman and it'll be lights out.

i was being sarcastic....

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/view.php?pg=mayweather-ortiz-compubox

add in the fact that ortiz is a lefthander...and its not easy for a righthander to land jabs on a southpaw...and the fact that alot of floyds jabs were just being put out there to measure .....and it was just more domination from floyd.....and he was fighting, essentially, a super middleweight that night......im not sure what you were watching....but vic was getting frustrated....and floyd was setting young boy up let go on him

floyd was gonna get hit because he was opening up and letting his hands go...it happens...you cant avoid everything if you are going to attack and let your hands go...if vic was throwin 25 punches in a round...floyd was throwing 50 and landing at over a 50 percent clip.....

[PhillyFlyers]

i was being sarcastic....

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/view.php?pg=mayweather-ortiz-compubox

add in the fact that ortiz is a lefthander...and its not easy for a righthander to land jabs on a southpaw...and the fact that alot of floyds jabs were just being put out there to measure .....and it was just more domination from floyd.....and he was fighting, essentially, a super middleweight that night......im not sure what you were watching....but vic was getting frustrated....and floyd was setting young boy up let go on him

Yes Floyd had him frustrated. But the last two rounds of the fight Ortiz was actually getting to him. When was the last time you saw someone have Mayweather up against the ropes getting nailed with combos and Floyd being unable to slip punches going forward?

Also, take a look at the last round of that fight, round 4. Ortiz took multiple combos from Floyd, which didn't hurt him, and was able to stun Floyd with a left that knocked Floyd back into the ropes whereby he then stupidly head-butted Floyd during a combo.

Floyd was hurt. Against Victor Ortiz. Now imagine it's Manny in the ring and not Ortiz.

[bobby heenan]

Yes Floyd had him frustrated. But the last two rounds of the fight Ortiz was actually getting to him. When was the last time you saw someone have Mayweather up against the ropes getting nailed with combos and Floyd being unable to slip punches going forward?

Also, take a look at the last round of that fight, round 4. Ortiz took multiple combos from Floyd, which didn't hurt him, and was able to stun Floyd with a left that knocked Floyd back into the ropes whereby he then stupidly head-butted Floyd during a combo.

Floyd was hurt. Against Victor Ortiz. Now imagine it's Manny in the ring and not Ortiz.

lol...vic headbutted him because he had him pinned against the ropes and threw about 6 punches which didnt land...he was frustrated....i guess we were watching different fights...at least in our own views...vic was being severely outclassed and it was on its way to getting worse.....floyd was never hurt in that fight.....and remember...this is a 24 year old left hander who weighed about 165 on fightnight?.....these guys dont have the ring iq to **** with floyd....neither does manny....

[PhillyFlyers]

lol...vic headbutted him because he had him pinned against the ropes and threw about 6 punches which didnt land...he was frustrated....i guess we were watching different fights...at least in our own views...vic was being severely outclassed and it was on its way to getting worse.....floyd was never hurt in that fight.....and remember...this is a 24 year old left hander who weighed about 165 on fightnight?.....these guys dont have the ring iq to **** with floyd....neither does manny....

It wasn't severely outclassed. The scorecards had May ahead by one point before Cortez took a point from Ortiz for the head-butt.

Add to the fact that May was hurt and who knows what the outcome would have been had the fight continued on.

[Grits n' Gravy]

Unless Arum decides to take up mountain climbing this fight isn't going to happen. Floyd will end up fighting Khan or possibly Berto in May. Martinez would be interesting, but he can't get down to 150s without a struggle and Floyd isn't dumb enough to go to 160. Wonder if Oscar would put the Alvarez kid in with Floyd?

[PhillyFlyers]

Unless Arum decides to take up mountain climbing this fight isn't going to happen. Floyd will end up fighting Khan or possibly Berto in May. Martinez would be interesting, but he can't get down to 150s without a struggle and Floyd isn't dumb enough to go to 160. Wonder if Oscar would put the Alvarez kid in with Floyd?

That's exactly what I see happening. Floyd fights Khan. Then maybe Berto. I even see a possible rematch with Ortiz before I see the Pac-May fight coming together.

[bobby heenan]

philly..how many lead right hands did ortiz eat right down the pipe? i stopped counting around 9 or so.....

when you are getting hit with lead right hands right down the middle through your guard...at this level....well...floyd might as well have walked around the ring with a sign that said "im outclassing you and embarrasing you and theres nothing you can do about it"....seriously...lead right hands down the pipe through your guard.....its seriously insulting at that level...like thats not supposed to happen to a world class fighter that easily and frequently....and that was thru 4 rounds

pac is a windup toy...albeit a very dangerous one....but hes shown me nothing in the way of versatility...sure hes improved with using both of his hands...a little wrinkle here and there...but he feasts on plodders who dont have defensive acumen and cant move their feet.....

floyd has shown the ability to make you whiff and potshot you....hes shown the ability to walk a dangerous puncher down behind a high guard(not to mention he has shown the ability to pull a textbook move when he was badly rocked by a huge clean shot...not many fighters would have automatically tied up shanes arms so he couldnt get another big shot off like that...that was textbook and you never see floyd put in a position like that).....and hes shown the ability to stand in front of a pretty big 24 year old southpaw...and easily outclass him by throwing punches....hes changed his style up a bit recently to please the fans and moaning and groaning over his "boringness"....that doesnt mean he cant still move and make you miss if he wants

remember roach before the shane fight saying "floyd wont stand in front of him and trade...hes got to get on his bike to beat him"...floyd did the exact opposite ...he stood in front of him.....walked him down behind a high guard at times.....then after the fight roach says "floyds legs are gone"...lol....changing of the tune freddie!

floyd has alot more tools to work with....versatility.....

[PhillyFlyers]

philly..how many lead right hands did ortiz eat right down the pipe? i stopped counting around 9 or so.....

The better and more insightful questions would be.......

Did any of Floyd's punches actually hurt Ortiz? The answer is no.

Did Ortiz hurt May? The answer is yes.

Did Ortiz expose weaknesses in his fight against May that weren't exposed previously? Yes he did.

Is May's sudden inability to slip punches while moving forward going to prove costly in a fight against Pacquiao? You bet it would.

[xpo276]

i wanna take the odds that the fight doesnt happen.

Thats free $$$$$

[Shifty107]

This better happen, only fight in boxing anyone cares about. Sick of these two fighting scrubs.

I would go big on Pac, fuk Mayweather he is such a pussy.

Sorry Berger, but the only fight for Floyd is not against Pac if he wants to solidify his legacy, it's against Sergio Martinez.

Pac would get schooled against Floyd and then everyone will just say "oh, well Pacquiao was just too small and he never really had a chance".

Martinez vs May is the only fight I want to see Flyd take right now. No one else worth him fighting.

Peace

[Grits n' Gravy]

The Martinez fight is not likely to happen. Too much of a weight struggle for Sergio to cut down to 150-154 range. I'm still not sold on him being great anyways. He beat a broken Pavlik and an overrated Williams. Neither has Floyd's ring smarts. Floyd would be too quick for Sergio and potshot him with counters while Martinez loads up hoping to land a big punch.

Floyd will get Khan and Manny will get Bradley or possibly another belt vs. Chavez Jr in 2012.