OT: Texas Execution on Deck

[Scratch]

check this out

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5922356.html

makes me wanna move to Texas.

They don't give a sh1t about the UN, world court, or Pres. Bush.

[Willie Bee]

They don't give a sh1t about the UN, world court, or Pres. Bush.

Lot of Texans voted for Bush just to get him out of the country, er, Governor's mansion.

[Panic]

I'll get the marshmallows.

[donjuan]

And your arguments in favor of the death penalty are?

[Panic]

An eye for an eye. The end.

[TheLock]

And your arguments in favor of the death penalty are?

Well I'd start with "It may deter at least one individual from committing a homicide" but you'll probably laugh that off as a lame reason.


How about this, your mother (I'm assuming you had/have one) is driving her car to the store to buy some milk and bread. She parks and exits her vehicle and begins walking towards the supermarket.

Halfway there, a man appears and demands her purse. She worked hard all her life and decides she doesn't want to relinquish her wallet.

The man, a total stranger, shoots her in the face and leaves with her purse.



Detectives track him down and he is brought to trial. Evidence links him to the crime.

How should the judge sentence your mothers cold blooded killer?

[Willie Bee]

How should the judge sentence your mothers cold blooded killer?

According to the letter of the law, period.

[donjuan]

Well I'd start with "It may deter at least one individual from committing a homicide" but you'll probably laugh that off as a lame reason.

It has been shown that the death penalty does not act as a deterrent.

How about this, your mother (I'm assuming you had/have one) is driving her car to the store to buy some milk and bread. She parks and exits her vehicle and begins walking towards the supermarket.

Halfway there, a man appears and demands her purse. She worked hard all her life and decides she doesn't want to relinquish her wallet.

The man, a total stranger, shoots her in the face and leaves with her purse.



Detectives track him down and he is brought to trial. Evidence links him to the crime.

How should the judge sentence your mothers cold blooded killer?

I would be very sad about the death of my mother and hope that the killer was put in jail for life with no chance for parole. However, I wouldn't want the death penalty for him for a number of reasons:

1. It may not have been him. Numerous convicted murderers have later been proven innocent with new technologies.

2. Sentencing him to death accomplishes nothing. My mother would not be able to be brought back to life and society would be protected from him due to his life imprisonment.

3. I wouldn't want to have to deal with the process of the numerous appeals for a death sentence. That would only serve to prolong the agony of losing my mother.

[TheLock]

1) "Numerous" convicted murderers were wrongly put to death PRIOR to DNA. And "numerous" is a very broad term.

2) Sentencing him to death insures that the animal will never kill again. Life imprisonment leaves open the possibility that he will kill a fellow inmate or a prison guard.

3) The appeal process is flawed and needs to be modified. How does life imprisonment not "prolong the agony" of losing your mother?


Lastly (and less importantly), how is it any better sending an innocent man to jail for the rest of his life instead of killing him? Giving him 40 years to THINK about the crime he didnt commit is better for him?


Collateral damage FTW

[donjuan]

1. No one knows what technologies will be developed in the future. Other details can later come out.

2. He has a long time to be in prison before being killed during which those things can happen.

3. How would you modify the appeals process? Life imprisonment allows me to get on with my life once the normal grieving process is over with. The endless appeals would certainly prolong this.

All of this also ignores a couple of other things like the added costs and the barbarism of executions.

[daggerkobe]

FRY HIM

[Willie Bee]

All of this also ignores a couple of other things like the added costs and the barbarism of executions.

I'm not too concerned about the costs in dollars really, though it's certainly not an inconsequential figure in itself. And I truly believe they should televise all executions for I'm of the firm belief that very, very few people out there in the world could stomach them, and that in itself could be the strongest deterrent to all sorts of crime.

[durito]

I'm not too concerned about the costs in dollars really, though it's certainly not an inconsequential figure in itself. And I truly believe they should televise all executions for I'm of the firm belief that very, very few people out there in the world could stomach them, and that in itself could be the strongest deterrent to all sorts of crime.

It's about $2 million per person. A solid use for taxpayer money.



Only in the USA, do the same people who claim to want smaller less intrusive gov't, also think it's ok to give the gov't the power to choose which of it's citizens they want to kill.

And people think I live in a ****ed up country.

[Scratch]

the cost to keep him alive exceeds the cost to kill him

[daggerkobe]

I just read this http://www.murdervictims.com/voices/jeneliz.html

and I want to kill them myself.

[Willie Bee]

It's about $2 million per person. A solid use for taxpayer money.

Not sure what your stat is for, but whether you house a convicted murder for 40 years or put them to death after 10-15 years of appeals, what is your alternative? Should they 'serve their time' loose among the populace?

I'm a firm believer in capital punishment for certain crimes. Is it ALWAYS enforced fairly in the US (or anywhere else for that matter)? No. But until I get the compromise that there is NO PAROLE for some crimes and repeat criminals, I'm going to support it.

[daggerkobe]

China executes their citizens for gambling, accepting bribes, drugs...... that I'd have a problem with but not for murder.

[durito]

So if a family member of yours was falsely convicted and executed that would be ok?

[daggerkobe]

Was he? I thought he confessed.

[TheLock]

It's about $2 million per person. A solid use for taxpayer money.



Only in the USA, do the same people who claim to want smaller less intrusive gov't, also think it's ok to give the gov't the power to choose which of it's citizens they want to kill.

And people think I live in a ****ed up country.

Choose which citizens they want to kill?

No, they just choose the ones who have a mountain of evidence (video taped sworn confessions, DNA evidence, independant witness accounts etc) stacked against them.

The government isn't walking around downtown Atlanta pointing at innocent men walking out of Turner Field saying, "you, over there, you're going to fry in the electric chair for a crime you didn't commit!".

[Willie Bee]

So if a family member of yours was falsely convicted and executed that would be ok?

No it wouldn't. I'd fight like hell.

What is your alternative to falsely convicting one in a hundred or even one in 10?

[durito]

Choose which citizens they want to kill?

No, they just choose the ones who have a mountain of evidence (video taped sworn confessions, DNA evidence, independant witness accounts etc) stacked against them.

The government isn't walking around downtown Atlanta pointing at innocent men walking out of Turner Field saying, "you, over there, you're going to fry in the electric chair for a crime you didn't commit!".

That "mountain of evidence" has executed many innocent people before. What happens if next time they execute someone from your family by mistake?

What rate of innocent people is it ok to execute? 1%? .01%?

Would you do something where the chances of you dying was .01%? I sure wouldn't.

I'm not debating this anymore here.

[daggerkobe]

Choose which citizens they want to kill?

No, they just choose the ones who have a mountain of evidence (video taped sworn confessions, DNA evidence, independant witness accounts etc) stacked against them.

The government isn't walking around downtown Atlanta pointing at innocent men walking out of Turner Field saying, "you, over there, you're going to fry in the electric chair for a crime you didn't commit!".

Not necessarily. I recall this one case where a guy was executed for murdering his sister-in-law. The only evidence they had was a single shoe print outside her home and the lack of an alibi. He went on Phil Donahue's show professing his innocence just prior to his execution.

[TheLock]

That "mountain of evidence" has executed many innocent people before. What happens if next time they execute someone from your family by mistake?

What rate of innocent people is it ok to execute? 1%? .01%?

Would you do something where the chances of you dying was .01%? I sure wouldn't.

I'm not debating this anymore here.

What happens if next time they sentence someone from your family to life in prison by mistake?


What happens if a gigantic asteroid lands on my neck tommorow?




Killers deserved to be killed. If one man dies so that 5,000 killers meet the same fate as their innocent victims then so be it.
'

Nobody said life was fair.

[durito]

Wow.

[TheLock]

Wow.

You were right, you are finished with the debate.

[Willie Bee]

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[TheLock]

Debating "politics" is useless. No one ever sways anyone else's opinion/beliefs.

I'll always be strongly pro-death penalty while others will always be sympathetic towards ruthless thugs who prey on the innocent hard working people of the world.

[TheLock]

Peyton Tuthill
Nancy Miller
Stephanie Wagner
Wilbur Reynolds
Kristi Morales
Ralph Morales
Kristin Jackson
William Abramenko
Sonnie & Ericka Mayes
Beverly Ann Kass-Lucitt

All of those offenders are innocent!!!!!!! It's a conspiracy!

[daggerkobe]

Not necessarily. I recall this one case where a guy was executed for murdering his sister-in-law. The only evidence they had was a single shoe print outside her home and the lack of an alibi. He went on Phil Donahue's show professing his innocence just prior to his execution.

His name was Roger Coleman and they indeed had DNA evidence against him. I guess I just remember him saying there was only a shoe print. The governor offered him a final chance at reprieve, a lie detector test, but he failed miserably.

14 years after he was put to death, they retested the DNA found on the victim and it matched him perfectly. So the right man was apparently executed.

[durito]

This board frequently reminds me why I will never live in the US again.

Thanks guys. Have fun at the firing range.

[TheLock]

This board frequently reminds me why I will never live in the US again.

Thanks guys. Have fun at the firing range.

A tremendous addition to the debate at hand. Congrats.


I respect your commentary on sportsbetting durito but you're all full of fail in this thread.

[donjuan]

the cost to keep him alive exceeds the cost to kill him

Not when you take appeals into account.

Willie Bee,

Who isn't compromising on that? How is that even a compromise? I don't know anyone who thinks certain crimes don't deserve life in prison without parole.

The Lock,

No one is sympathizing with murderers. However, there are a lot of factors to consider that make the death penalty counterproductive.

[Willie Bee]

Willie Bee, Who isn't compromising on that? How is that even a compromise? I don't know anyone who thinks certain crimes don't deserve life in prison without parole.

Well even though you don't know me personally, you do know me from here, and I'm one who believes that certain crimes should draw the death penalty. In addition, when I said NO PAROLE, I should've said NO PAROLE for all felonies. Naturally, I'd like to see a standardization of sentencing, but make all felons serve their complete sentence, period. And no weenie country club prisons for 'white collar criminals;' throw their ass in general population. Any convicted felons who are guilty of any type of assault in prison then go to the 'really bad prison' where any over-crowding is solved by throwing a few knives on the yard and allowing Darwinism to run its course.

[Jacey]

Well I'd start with "It may deter at least one individual from committing a homicide" but you'll probably laugh that off as a lame reason.


How about this, your mother (I'm assuming you had/have one) is driving her car to the store to buy some milk and bread. She parks and exits her vehicle and begins walking towards the supermarket.

Halfway there, a man appears and demands her purse. She worked hard all her life and decides she doesn't want to relinquish her wallet.

The man, a total stranger, shoots her in the face and leaves with her purse.



Detectives track him down and he is brought to trial. Evidence links him to the crime.

How should the judge sentence your mothers cold blooded killer?

Send him to Oz to be Adibisi's bottom and get shanked in the kitchen.