NBA is committing suicide

[OmgUrMom]

a 24 or 20 team league with 8 playoff teams would be pretty sweet i think

[No coincidences]

Let's get to the number one issue here:

The league needs to contract. The product is so watered down it's not even funny. Goat, you can go on and on all you want about how good the players are now. The truth is that the players suck and there's too many really bad teams. Obviously the nba will never contract but it's the only way to offer a better product.

Agree. You may see an incredible play or two from time to time from the Kings or T'Wolves or whoever, but those franchises have become a laughing stock and now they have a bunch of young punks making millions in guaranteed money who could give a f\*\*k about winning or losing as the faces of their organizations.

[lakerboy]

I mean Joe Dumars was a horrible defender who played terrible versus Jordan.

[t-wizzle]

Agree. You may see an incredible play or two from time to time from the Kings or T'Wolves or whoever, but those franchises have become a laughing stock and now they have a bunch of young punks making millions in guaranteed money who could give a f\*\*k about winning or losing as the faces of their organizations.

This.

[No coincidences]

I mean Joe Dumars was a horrible defender who played terrible versus Jordan.

I was just thinking about the Pistons -- I'd love to see Goat Milk ask Jordan if he thought he "had it easy" vs. the Bad Boys. Goat makes it sound like Jordan played in the 1940's.

[Goat Milk]

T wizz that the only reason the NBA was getting high ratings was because of Jordan and the Bulls

No coin here is a headline from the playoffs "
NBA TV ratings: Miami-Chicago Game 3 just misses record"

[Goat Milk]

TV ratings for these past 2 seasons in the playoffs were at an all time eye. Boston-LA series in 2010. YES, up there with the Jordan champinoship years

[par88]

Main thing I will miss is the betting action. NBA is fun to watch if you got some $$ riding on it. Otherwise I don't give a F**.

[Goat Milk]

I mean Joe Dumars was a horrible defender who played terrible versus Jordan.

I was just thinking about the Pistons -- I'd love to see Goat Milk ask Jordan if he thought he "had it easy" vs. the Bad Boys. Goat makes it sound like Jordan played in the 1940's.

"I've always said Joe Dumars is a great defender against me," Jordan said

[t-wizzle]

It's not just about tv ratings Goat. The league needs a better product across the board. They can get by with 5-10 solid teams because they can market those teams with their few national tv nights.

[Goat Milk]

Dumars was one of the greatest perimeter defenders of his era. All 1st team defense numerous years. Chuck Daily wrote a book called the Jordan rules where Dumars's defense was the center of that.

lol No Coin you don't know very much about your own team. This isn't gambling, Lakerboy is not right all the time

[t-wizzle]

Dumars was one of the greatest perimeter defenders of his era. All 1st team defense numerous years. Chuck Daily wrote a book called the Jordan rules where Dumars's defense was the center of that.

lol No Coin you don't know very much about your own team. This isn't gambling, Lakerboy is not right all the time

I think they were being sarcastic.

[No coincidences]

Dumars was one of the greatest perimeter defenders of his era. All 1st team defense numerous years. Chuck Daily wrote a book called the Jordan rules where Dumars's defense was the center of that.

lol No Coin you don't know very much about your own team. This isn't gambling, Lakerboy is not right all the time

What are you talking about?

You said:

There was no such thing as a perimeter defender who could stop Jordan during his years. He played with one of the few good ones in Pippen, and when he was guarded by guys like the Glove and Dumars, the damage was minimized and those guys were small too.

Now you're blowing Dumars?

[Goat Milk]

Yeah "when he played against guys like teh GLove and Dumars, the damage was minimized" that's what I just said....

Those were pretty much the only guys that made it hard for Jordan, while there are dozens today that make it hard for Kobe Lebron and Wade.

The competitiveness of the league today vs. back then isn't even up for debate. Just look at the records of the teams that made the playoffs in the Western conference these past few years compared to back then. It isn't even close...........

I'll let you get back to the other discussion of what the league needs to fix.

[kickenchicken]

i mean cmon now who really does care

[No coincidences]

Yeah "when he played against guys like teh GLove and Dumars, the damage was minimized" that's what I just said....

Those were pretty much the only guys that made it hard for Jordan, while there are dozens today that make it hard for Kobe Lebron and Wade

There are "dozens" of players in the NBA today that make it hard on the league's stars by taking pride in their defense and the ability to shut down guys like Kobe, LeBron and Wade? Dozens?!?!?

[cockblocker]

They should play 60 games, and cut all salaries by 25%. They should also dissolve the bottom 4 franchises. It would be a much better league.

Are u fukkin nuts? I practically make a living off this and MLB with all the games they play. More games give you more chances you have to find good spots. Unlike football which is the worst sport to try and make living off of with its short schedule and all the games crammed into one day.

[Goat Milk]

Just look at the records of the teams that made the playoffs in the Western conference these past few years compared to back then. It isn't even close...........

thanks

[No coincidences]

Just look at the records of the teams that made the playoffs in the Western conference these past few years compared to back then. It isn't even close...........

thanks

Jordan played in the West?

[Goat Milk]

Jordan played in the West?

proving my point about the competition level. It's at an all time high. Just look at what the records are like compared to the past. There's nothing the NBA needs to change in that regard. There's always going to be shit teams. There was teams winning 15 games during the 60s 80s and today. That's not going to change. But once you sepearate from those shit teams, everyone is actually VERY good.

[cockblocker]

NBA is dead, its closer to WWE wrestling than to a sport. Anyone who would bet NBA or give out NBA picks hasnt a grip on sports gambling

You just suck at it thats all. Easiest sport to make money off of if you know what you are doing.

[No coincidences]

proving my point about the competition level. It's at an all time high. Just look at what the records are like compared to the past. There's nothing the NBA needs to change in that regard.

You want me to look at what the records are in the East today vs. back then and tell me Jordan had it easier?

The competition level is at an "all time high." Wow. As usual, we've reached the point in the conversation where you go delusional and I'm hanging up now.

[Goat Milk]

You want me to look at what the records are in the East today vs. back then and tell me Jordan had it easier? The competition level is at an "all time high." Wow. As usual, we've reached the point in the conversation where you go delusional and I'm hanging up now.

cool. I said west not east and when 2 of the 3 best players in the world exist on 1 team and still lose in the championship thats when you know the competition is at an all time high.

the old timers here like pavyracer thought an "old-fashioned" team like the bulls with heart , team defense and grit, would beat the miami heat, but in fact, they got smoked, couldn't win more than 1 game and then lost 4 straight. There is too much offensive talent in the NBA today. i.e the Dallas Mavericks.

[lakerboy]

NBA is dead, its closer to WWE wrestling than to a sport. Anyone who would bet NBA or give out NBA picks hasnt a grip on sports gambling

you gotta be kidding right?

[No coincidences]

cool. I said west not east and when 2 of the 3 best players in the world exist on 1 team and still lose in the championship thats when you know the competition is at an all time high.

What made you suddenly jump to the West when you're original argument was about who Jordan was facing on a regular basis?

I'm glad you brought up Miami: the fact that Miami didn't win a title as a "superior" team to Dallas proves the point that we're trying to make. Individually and athletically, no one disputes your claim. But that does not translate to better team play, better competition or better basketball. That's why the unthinkable happened and your Heat were embarrassed by an "inferior" opponent in the Finals.

[Goat Milk]

It's not the NFL.

Better offense beats better defense in the NBA every time. When Boston beat LA the first time, they shut down Kobe and Gasol. When they lost the second time, they were dominated on the offensive glass.

[Goat Milk]

Dallas wasn't an inferior team, that's my point. The competition is too high. I said several times in my write up for the series that it was a scary series for the Heat, whiling I thought they would still win in 6, I also quote my saying

"Dallas is the better offensive team"

I said that before the series started. League too competitive today. Too much offensive firepower from top teams.

[No coincidences]

It's not the NFL.

Better offense beats better defense in the NBA every time. When Boston beat LA the first time, they shut down Kobe and Gasol. When they lost the second time, they were dominated on the offensive glass.

Then how do you explain Detroit's three NBA titles? Woudn't Phoenix have a dynasty by now if that were the case?

[No coincidences]

Dallas wasn't an inferior team, that's my point. The competition is too high. I said several times in my write up for the series that it was a scary series for the Heat, whiling I thought they would still win in 6, I also quote my saying

"Dallas is the better offensive team"

I said that before the series started. League too competitive today. Too much offensive firepower from top teams.

So Dallas was the better offensive team, offense beats defense in the NBA every time, yet you picked the Heat in 6.



I give up.

[Goat Milk]

Then how do you explain Detroit's three NBA titles? Woudn't Phoenix have a dynasty by now if that were the case?

Because Detroit's defense WAS better than any offense they played against. LA's offense was better than Phoenix D. It works both ways. PHX offense was never as good as the Laker's O. Offensive rebounds are part of offense. Too many big guys in the paint and Kobe.

Miami is one of the best defenses we have seen in NBA history. Their speed and athleticism on the defensive end this year was uncanny. They put the Heat and Celtics in check. I don't think anyone will dispute they were teh best defense in the league.

Dallas's offense way too good..

[No coincidences]

Because Detroit's defense WAS better than any offense they played against. LA's offense was better than Phoenix D. It works both ways. PHX offense was never as good as the Laker's O. Offensive rebounds are part of offense. Too many big guys in the paint and Kobe.

Miami is one of the best defenses we have seen in NBA history. Their speed and athleticism on the defensive end this year was uncanny. They put the Heat and Celtics in check. I don't think anyone will dispute they were teh best defense in the league.

Dallas's offense way too good..

So again, why in the hell did you not take Dallas to win the series? That makes zero sense.

[Goat Milk]

Yeah because I didn't think Dallas's offense was that much better than Miami's but apparently it was. Miami's offense was suppose to be not that far behind with 2 of the 3 best players in the world. That won't be the case in the next few years.

Bro you've been destroyed in this argument. There's no point to try and argue these types of issues with me. This isn't gambling.

[No coincidences]

Bro you've been destroyed in this argument. There's no point to try and argue these types of issues with me. This isn't gambling.

Where exactly was I "destroyed"?

You get crazier by the day.

[t-wizzle]

Lol i love how goat declares that he destroyed someone in an argument. Goat man you never disappoint.

[obamaismyuncle]

I found the NBA unwatchable even with money on games, but I do miss betting on it. I had success betting the NBA especially earlier in the seasons..remember my model, goatmilk???