Is curruption in the UFC worse than boxing these day?
Somebody I was talking to today seems to think that the UFC is even more corrupt than boxing, however I don't believe so.
What do you guys think?
What do you guys think?
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I laid a pretty penny on Rampage The Coward, and I felt the champion was robbed out of a decision win.Comment -
I think the stoppages in UFC are so premature it's ridiculous. They want to promote this Gladiator sport but wont let them fight. I think they need to create super-fighters in their brand so they will definitely stop fights in the popular fighters favor.Comment -
Well Forrest did kick Rampages ass. I had good money on Jackson and I could tell they were giving it to Forrest. In other aspects, I don't know enough.Comment -
I didn't watch but from reading some peoples opinions whom I trust they felt it was close enough to give the nod to the champion, which is traditionally what's done.Originally posted by EddieJones
I think Rampage had to win by a big margin to get a decision win, they're pumping up a new star for marketing reasons.Comment -
Well I watched it and the entire time I was worried. I wanted Jackson to win so bad but when he lost all I could wonder was about the points. Not the loss.Comment -
Forest dominated Rampage in the second round I think, and the rest could of went either way. If that was Liddel or anyone else in that 2nd round on the ground they would of gotten the living hell beaten out of them, and there wouldn't even be a 3rd round.Comment -
rampage got robbed at ufc 86, the fix was in
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Rampage lost. A 10-8 round goes a long way and Forrest earned one in the 2nd ... his leg kicks, while not flashy, were more effective than anything Rampage did with his fists ...Comment -
Saying a fighter was robbed has been the recent catch-phrase
in boxing and now MMA. A robbery is when one fighter flat out beats the piss out of his opponent and then doesn't get the W. A fight that could have went either way isn't a robbery, it's simply a close decision. In the case of Rampage and Griffen, Rampage admitted, "he whupped my ass" so when a fighter says something like this, I'm not sure how that constitutes a robbery.
As far as the corruption...I don't know much about what goes on behind the scenes with MMA but I do know about boxing because I work in the sport. The stereotype of a fighter "losing" on purpose or a judge giving one fighter the decision flat out regardless of whether or not the fighter won the fight is for the most part exaggerated.
With fighters, what is more prevalent are mismatches and fighters using fake names. The mismatches may not look like mismatches - both fighters may have good records on paper - but one fighter may have a record that is padded (built up) with inferior opposition while the other has worked his way up beating progressively better fighters. Here in Thailand and other parts of Asia though, it's not uncommon for a champion or former champion with 50+ fights taking on a guy who has never fought before. Odds are - who is going to win? It's called a warm-up here, also known as a tune-up, but the point is, the chances of a guy with only a handful of fights beating a seasoned pro with 40 or 50 fights is usually slim to none.
With the judges - they know who butters their bread. Most of the time everyone hangs out together - the judges, referees, writers, promoters....not the fighters and their management but still, the judges know who is the house fighter . When there are close rounds or rounds that aren't decisively for the opponent - guess who gets the round? This isn't the case for some judges but ...I know a few who this applies to. There are one or two I know who whenever they're the judging a fight you can virtually be assured of the win. I've seen fights that were scored 115-113 or 114-114 by the other judges scored 119-111 by another. When the judges are chosen, at least here in Asia, they're chosen because they'll "play ball."
The rankings are even worse. Fighters win regional titles and get ranked higher in the world rankings. However, they may or may not have won a regional title beating a fighter who does not deserve to get a title shot. Or the regional title is fought against fighters from countries with low quality opposition (China in particular).
Generally speaking, the fighters tend to be the best guys in the sport. The number of guys making any serious cash are few and the rest are just guys busting their ass to get ahead and make money to feed their families.Comment -
Back in the early days, the only way I could see UFC was PPV or VHS or DVD. It was too violent to be main steam. Heads used to get pummeled. They can't allow that now. I can still remember renting the vids in Blockbuster. The reputation of the sport has changed......it had to in order to become mainstream.....in other words, cash in, big time.Comment -
if money and gambling is involved it is not on the up and upComment -
i don't feel ufc is corrupt
there was some worked matches back in the early days of Pride before it went under. there was also talk of Pride having to deal with the Yakuza. some of Pride's refereeing and judging was questionable.Comment -
then you cannot be objective in this discussion, right?Originally posted by crazylComment -
ding ding ding, you are exactly rightOriginally posted by BurtRappComment -
its not about the gambling jj, its about the UFC making sure the faces of the sport that IT wants win the fight, i will be making a huge huge blockbuster comment in a moment that will have many of you thinking, just waitOriginally posted by jjgoldComment -
I can't say for certain if there has been corruption in UFC fights in the past but I certainly think its ripe for corruption. With the pennies these fighters make compared to their boxing counterparts and the ass-kickings that some of these fighters take, I think its a prime environment for corruption with fighters perhaps throwing fights and such. It really wouldn't surprise me. That's why I won't lay a red cent on any UFC matches.Comment -
Both UFC and boxing fights and fighters are sometimes maneuvered so the winner of the bout is a forgone conclusion. It's not quite as direct as "you're going down sonnyboy," or "if you don't choose this guy, you're a dead man." But when money and gambling are involved, maneuvering is a must. Fans want great fights and the money is unimportant to them. For the majority of fighters and their camps, money is the main reason they fight, period. Some fighters ( a few) are in a position where they don't need the money and thus can fight who they want regardless of the payday as long as it's reasonable. As long as big money and gambling are a part of boxing and MMA, there are going to be questions of corruption.Comment -
Boxing was definetly fixed.....MMA fighters do not lay down for a loss.Comment -
Yeah. MMA fighters are far too classy and full of integrity. There's no way a fighter making $100k a fight would lay down for a huge pay day while a boxer making millions per fight would. Makes sense to me...Comment -
Speaking of fixed.....Don King is watching a CFL game. He's so full of shit.Comment -
Here's an old article that has to do with corruption...
The Mexican Spin Doctor, the WBC and the Alphabet Soup
Once again, for the umpteenth time, El Presidente Jose Sulaiman and his roving band of boxing angels at the WBC have attempted to slide their greedy little hands where they shouldn’t; this time by declaring the Pacquiao – Morales fight a title eliminator. As Bob Arum pointed out, super featherweight Humberto Soto was recently involved in a “title eliminator” in the very same division. How many title eliminators can the WBC have? Just what is the purpose of a title eliminator? Aren’t rankings enough?
Sulaiman has now countered Arum publicly, stating that “the WBC did not choose Soto’s opponent and the elimination bout was not a ‘final’ elimination bout but a ‘simple’ eliminator.”
So now we’re going to have simple eliminators and final eliminators? Oy vey.
Pacquaio fought a title eliminator in his second bout against Morales in January but then fought Oscar Larios and now needs to fight in yet another eliminator to prove he is the fighter most deserving of a title shot.
According to Sulaiman, he’s simply misunderstood: “Manny Pacquiao, the WBC´s International Champion, has not declined his participation in a final elimination bout in respect to the WBC´S ruling and therefore, if he wins, in addition to defending successfully his title, Manny Pacquiao will be declared the official challenger to the super-feather championship of the world, in the hands of WBC champion Marco Antonio Barrera.”
He further adds, ”It was a surprise coming from our friend Erik Morales, for who I have even been criticized as if being my adopted son, and from who nothing but respect should he offer to the WBC; but no surprise is to me Bob Arum’s behavior as he just can’t help it in his insistent nasty comments and his belligerent verbal permanent attitude ,even offending and hurting his own friends, just as we believe that we are. It would not be surprising if he is calling us next Monday for the planning of another project.”
How many truly believe Sulaiman’s twaddle?
It’s business, Sulaiman, nothing personal. There’s no need to come off with the drama like a whiny little school girl who’s been snubbed by the captain of the football team.
Boxing’s sanctioning bodies have gotten far too ambitious, not to mention ridiculous. Between the Title Eliminators, International titles, Youth titles, ABCO, PABA, OBPF, etc., etc., etc….soon, there won’t be enough fighters to wear the belts.
The greater the number of championships available = the greater the potential revenue stream.
What fighter is going to say no to being a champion?
Want a world title? Come up with enough money to pay your way into the rankings, possibly picking up some worthless regional title against a fighter with a losing record, and get ranked in the top-ten. When the time (and money) is right, voila, instant title shot.
But when is enough enough? When will the boxing commissions start freezing out the ABC’s ala the Japanese Boxing Commission?
My first proclamation if I were to change boxing would be to throw Sulaiman out on his pathetic rear end. After that, you could boot Mendoza and his band of brothers, trash what’s left of Bob Lee’s club and just for good measure shut down the WBO, IBO, IBA, WBU, WBF, WBE and any of the others I failed to mention. Maybe we’ll get lucky and the United Nations will pass a moratorium on boxing alphabets.
Hey, I admit, I hate all of ‘em with a fervent passion. They’re a scourge on boxing and for every positive, there’s a hundred negatives. Give me newspaper decisions and The Ring magazine over the ABC’s any day. And before gasping, remember that Ring’s fiasco was three decades ago.
Give me fifteen round fights; I’ll take the old days any day.
The WBC is now implementing open scoring – is it going to make boxing that much better?
I personally don’t think so and feel it’s unnecessary. As a sanctioning body, leave boxing alone. Provide the belt and stay out of the way. Sulaiman is boxing’s Eddie Haskel; brownnosing those who choose to enable him and spouting ridiculous gibberish that only he believes and understands.
Has reducing fights from fifteen rounds to twelve reduced the number of deaths in boxing? In a word, no. In fact, from 1900 onwards, only nineteen deaths have taken place between the twelfth and fifteenth round. There has been no scientific research provided proving a twelve round fight is any safer than a fifteen round fight. Willie Classen, Benny Paret, Davey Moore and Johnny Owens – all of their deaths took place in fights that did not make it to the thirteenth round.
A twelve round fight does fit into the hour-long TV time slot much easier than fifteen though.
Speaking of Johnny Owens, read about the WBC’s so-called insurance program:
Let’s stop frolicking in Sulaiman’s Playhouse and get to the nit and grit – the dough, the bucks, the cash, the dinero – the M-O-N-E-Y. It’s been proven time and time again the alphabet outlaws operate only on a “show me the money” basis.
The World Boxing Council and Sulaiman are often the brunt of jokes and at the center of allegations of corruption and favoritism. While some of the transgressions may indeed be rumor or exaggeration, over the years Sulaiman and his band of gypsies have committed one misdeed after another. If you listen to or read Sulaiman’s persistent rhetoric though, you’d think he’s wearing a halo and wings. But if he steps in to a court of law, it’s difficult for him to twist his version of the truth into anything more than a Nancy Drew novel.
Just ask Graciano Rocchigiani.Comment -
Jackson lost on his own, not on a corruption.... This was a 50/50 fight and the odds on the favorite was a sucker bet for the "hype"Comment -
boxing has corruption, no doubt, but i believe the UFC/MMA do not have a sanctioning body and do not have rankings, this means dana white can do pretty much whatever the hell he wants, meaning that we are getting matchups mainly between the most popular fighters, not necessarily the best ones. boxing has its own type of corruption, but UFC/MMA seems to have another type of corruption altogetherComment -
So if your popular you get paid more and get a better fight, better pay. Nothing wrong with that. But at least it wasn't like Elite XC He really needs to punch that ear, that wasn't drained because yeah...it could be damaged....then 2 seconds later...ear is dangling and fight is stopped.Comment -
Rampage took a lot of time off. I heard he had to drop quite a bit of weight before the fight. Rampage still looked heavy during the fight. He wasn't sweating much during the fight which makes me think he was dehydrated from dropping so much weight.
If fights were fixed then the most popular fighter Chuck Liddell wouldn't have lost 2 in a row with the second being a loss to Keith Jardine. What about the hype with Cro Cop coming to the UFC? He lost his first 2 fights to average fighters and then got dropped. Or Serra taking out St. Pierre? If it was fixed, these upsets would never have happened.Comment -
I agree I lost a lot of money that night on rampage . I thought he won close fight but i thought you have to beat the champ to take the belt . There has been some weird stuff happening in MMA/UFC but i still think its legit not dirty yet like boxing .My opinion could change here soon if this a on going thing.Originally posted by The HOFFComment
