BetJamaica changes its line when I try to bet it (every time)

[knicknut]

Nice post. Yeah, I knew about them accepting unbalanced action due to obsenely sharp lines. I guess a lot of their transgressions are forgiven do to the service they provide all the bettors on this forum.

Well, I hit the jackpot and lost all three bets at BJ, so I'm done with there for a while. I may reload down the line if I start running out of other places, although I think my great experience today has made me forget about the 3 months of torture I had trying to clear it.

I'll start scouring these forums to learn the craft beyond arbs and bonus whoring

[Mudcat]

I'll start scouring these forums to learn the craft beyond arbs and bonus whoring

Atta boy!

[natrass]

Nice post. Yeah, I knew about them accepting unbalanced action due to obsenely sharp lines. I guess a lot of their transgressions are forgiven do to the service they provide all the bettors on this forum.

Well, I hit the jackpot and lost all three bets at BJ, so I'm done with there for a while. I may reload down the line if I start running out of other places, although I think my great experience today has made me forget about the 3 months of torture I had trying to clear it.

I'll start scouring these forums to learn the craft beyond arbs and bonus whoring

I dream of getting out of BJ. One day in the next few years I hope to be able to post something similar.

[jumper]

i think the sportsbooks are all taking measures to protect themselves this baseball season.more delay/line changes and more stringent rollover requirements

[pags11]

I think this is a very dishonest practice and Bill or someone from SBR needs to address it with the books in question...this is BS...

[dog]

Although most sportsbooks will not let you get a bet off online if the line just moved, I have only experienced what Knicknut describes at Betroyal (like many others) and the defunct Pregamesportsbook after I went way up on them. At Royal I could still bet props online without the line moving as they didn't require sportsbook line manager approval. If there is no delay in your Betjam account when you confirm your wager (like Royal has for non-prop bets), I would be surprised if they really are moving the line on you. I have bet stale lines there and had the line move on me sometimes, but not always.

As far as Pinnacle goes, there lines move very often, sometimes in your favor, sometimes against. It's possible that some customers have been flagged, I've won plenty there and I don't believe I've ever been in that group. I have had a problem trying to buy or sell a half point off a stagnant line, where it keeps telling me the line moved when it hasn't. Very unusual, but when it happens, I just bet the regular line (not selling or buying 1/2 point) and it goes thru. Could be a software issue, Pinny has them at times.

Betjam hasn't been a problem for me, as long as there is no delay while getting confirmation I will feel confident that any line moves I see are coincidence. I believe they're under Thegreek.com umbrella and that Sportsbook lets me lock in lines for a minute before confirmation.

[imgv94]

I dream of getting out of BJ. One day in the next few years I hope to be able to post something similar.

you dream to get out of a BJ??? Whats wrong
with u?

[KC]

does anyone else still think this happens a little too often?

[Senator7]

When a player comes on here complaining about how a book screwed him out of his bonus, I don't get worked up about it.

This line changing stuff is what I get worked up about. Its happened to me only at BetJamaica and its not fair to the player.

SBR looks out for the players and they should be noting stuff like this in their reviews and docking books who do this accordingly in their ratings.

When I bring something to the checkout at Best Buy, the price on the item has occasionally been reduced, but it has never been raised. If these books set a price on a game, that price needs to be honored no matter what. The books already have too much of a built in advantage. To be able to get away with this is wrong and unfair to the player and I would like to see SBR do something about it.

[Mudcat]

I have heard about this happening with Betjam a number of times since this thread began. It sounds like, once they start mucking with your lines, the book becomes pretty much pointless.

[20Four7]

I was going to open an account at BetJam since canbet was doing the same thing to me. They were even more blantant about it, telling me I was risking too much (after rejecting the big bet I lowered it and they wouldn't even accept it being as little as $25) and not allowing me to bet at the posted line. When I went back and refreshed the lines they hadn't moved. If I then called in or contacted customer support I would be allowed to bet the game after the line had moved by a half point or more.

HMMMMM time to keep looking for another book.

[BigBollocks]

can anyone else confirm this with their betjamaica accounts?...

Pags every damn word they're saying is true. I quit playing with them a long time ago as they are a small timer's book imo. Not only that, but their selection is just piss poor. They pay and pay quick, but how much is it worth it when I have to pull teeth to get a ****ing dime down? Very, very limited selection and recreational book, not to mention they angle shoot against players at every opportunity.....

If you play for a dime or less a game I'd play at 5Dimes with their nickel overnight selections 100 times before I'd play with BetJam...

[Razz]

I've had this happen maybe twice in five years playing with Jamaica.

[Senator7]

I've had this happen maybe twice in five years playing with Jamaica.

It hasn't happened to me that often either, but it shouldn't be happening at all.

It doesn't happen to me at any other book...

[Razz]

It hasn't happened to me that often either, but it shouldn't be happening at all.

It doesn't happen to me at any other book...

It's happened much more often to me at Bodog and Cris, and a couple times at 5Dimes.
Don't think I've ever had it happen at Pinnacle or WSEX, though I could be wrong on either or both.

[Mudcat]

If it's only happened to you a couple times then that's just business-as-usual and they haven't targeted your account. Any book will periodically have a line move right as you are trying to place a bet.

Once Betjam targets your account, it will happen with practically every bet you place.

It doesn't just happen with guys making steam plays either. Basic line shoppers who play for larger dollar amounts are having this happen.

Personally I think a book has a right to boot anyone they want at any time for any reason. But, as has been discussed, Betjam has done this to people with pending rollover requirements. That's a different, less ethical practice IMO.

[MrX]

I had to leave WWTS when they started doing this to me on phone-in bets. They'd read me the line. I'd place my bet. "Please hold Sir. I'm sorry sir, that line is no longer available..."

I've always been a little annoyed that SBR didn't have a problem with that when I wrote to Bill, but anyway, I just moved on.

I got shown the door with BetJam during the 2005 MLB season, but they had never excessively moved lines on me (I don't arb or chase steam, though, so that may be a big difference). They cut my limits in half first, and shortly thereafter sent me on my way (Scotty was very nice about it though).

More recently, the Wynn in Vegas has twice changed lines on me after I place my bet. Personally it seems pretty ridiculous to me for the Wynn to be sweating $3k bets (their MLB counter limit) but they sure seem to.

[LGBoots]

It used to happen to me with Nine (About a 2 min online delay to see if the bet was accepted)

But since they have been totally merged with VIP I have had no further problems

[Bill Dozer]

It hasn't happened to me that often either, but it shouldn't be happening at all.

It doesn't happen to me at any other book...

If you are on a delay you should see it every time unless they take you off it. If the line is simply changing against you, it's likely because you are on a good price that was about to move. Players who want to know if they are on a delay can call or email Mgr. Scotty.

I don't like the delay either and think BJ would better serve players to show them the door instead of applying it. Apparently some players are OK with it and just put in their bets on the stuff in line with the market and put in the line shopping action at a Greek or CRIS. For anyone getting the delay, my advice would be to move on. BJ doesn't want action on soon-to-be-moved lines.

[capitalist pig]

Its happened to me, 3-4 times in the last couple of months at betjam. I just figured the line was moving.

later

[Bill Dozer]

I had to leave WWTS when they started doing this to me on phone-in bets. They'd read me the line. I'd place my bet. "Please hold Sir. I'm sorry sir, that line is no longer available..."

I've always been a little annoyed that SBR didn't have a problem with that when I wrote to Bill, but anyway, I just moved on.

MrX,
I don't remember your complaint but I don't recall WWTS playing games with lines. They were gamblers-only and kicked out sharps. If you were trying to bet juicey lines on the phone, it's likely the time a phone bet takes allowed the line to change. If they put you on phone-only it's pretty much game over for catching soft lines.

[MrX]

MrX,
I don't remember your complaint but I don't recall WWTS playing games with lines. They were gamblers-only and kicked out sharps. If you were trying to bet juicey lines on the phone, it's likely the time a phone bet takes allowed the line to change. If they put you on phone-only it's pretty much game over for catching soft lines.

Obviously lines move, especially in the slower pace of phone-in bets. However, three calls in a row I asked for a reading of the price on a game, was quoted a price, told them my wager, was put on hold, and then was told that the line had changed and was offered a new price.

I don't arb or chase steam. I was using 7 major books and only betting at WWTS when it was the best available line on a game I liked, so if that's what you consider a juicy line, then I was betting juicy lines.

I think what most likely happed is that you misunderstood my email and didn't realize that they were changing lines after I gave my wager. Since I was pretty new to online betting and I wasn't thrilled with WWTS in the first place, I let it go and just added another shop.

[WileOut]

WSEX does this to me sometimes. What I always do is select the side I dont want to see if it will change to help me. You can do this at WSEX, but I guess you cant at BetJam.

[Bill Dozer]

Obviously lines move, especially in the slower pace of phone-in bets. However, three calls in a row I asked for a reading of the price on a game, was quoted a price, told them my wager, was put on hold, and then was told that the line had changed and was offered a new price.

I don't arb or chase steam. I was using 7 major books and only betting at WWTS when it was the best available line on a game I liked, so if that's what you consider a juicy line, then I was betting juicy lines.

I think what most likely happed is that you misunderstood my email and didn't realize that they were changing lines after I gave my wager. Since I was pretty new to online betting and I wasn't thrilled with WWTS in the first place, I let it go and just added another shop.

It sounds like you did the only thing you could. If you were finding the best line at wwts one out of 7 times and then calling, those bets were probably on the move. It's not that uncommon at an anti-line shopper book. I think all players should be given a few seconds to hold their bet regardless if it changes during the call. Unfortunately you would have players asking for a run-down of many games stalling so they can watch the screen. WWTS ended it's run as a shop good for players who only had one book...a very different type of book than the big daddy they were a few years earlier.

[spliff]

This happens at most places, notably Bookmaker and The Pig(Legendz) but not one is more frequent than the other for me.

[Bill Dozer]

This happens at most places, notably Bookmaker and The Pig(Legendz) but not one is more frequent than the other for me.

Yes, there are two different scenarios being discussed here. The books that put market-bettors on delays and the process of the line changing during normal betting to become in line with the consensus pricing. You see this happen much more with recreational books that follow the higher limit books, the same way a player does. It will almost always move against the line shopper.

[Brick Tamland]

its facken horse shit to put guy on delay. if i did that id drive home with 4 donuts on my car....and id deserve it

[ion]

When the delay first happened to me at the end of December I contacted customer service and they told me there is nothing wrong with my account. There was clearly a problem and I wanted to know what it was. So, I wrote a second message to customer service and this time I wanted to include screen shots with what happens when I place a bet. Strangely, when I took screen shots, the delay was bypassed. So, I gave up writing to them, since I had a working solution to the problem.

But more recently, in March, the "screen shot" solution didn't work anymore. I didn't know that my account was on delay, I just thought the blank page that appears during the delay is some kind of error. I usually closed that page or moved to a different one before the delay was over, but once I didn't do anything with it, I just switched to a different tab or a different application. When I returned to the betJamaica tab, I was surprised to see the wager was accepted.

After that, I did a few tests with small bets, and I clocked the delay before the bets were processed to 15 seconds. I wrote to customer service about that and they confirmed that my account is on 15 seconds delay. I don't know why they didn't confirm the first time I asked.

Waiting for the last reply from them, I did figure a way to circumvent the delay, but I only used it once or twice. Instead I decided to withdraw the whole balance from them.

After that I read again their review at SBR to see if this problem is mentioned there. But I didn't see it mentioned, insted I saw they have a loyalty program I was never aware of. I guess I qualify for it, as I placed more than 100 bets with them. Bill, do you think they will give me the free bet if I ask them, considering my account is on 15 seconds delay, and I withdrew everything from them soon after I found that out? They mention the free play must be asked by phone between 12-4pm est Monday-Friday and that time is not very convenient.

[Gorzy]

Because of some parasites, things are more difficult for those who really enjoy the game

[ion]

Because of some parasites, things are more difficult for those who really enjoy the game

Do you mean that because of some parasites your account is on time delay at Bet Jamaica? Or "things are more difficult" refers to something broader in scope, like: Pinnacle doesn't deal with americans, Neteller doesn't return funds to americans, it's more difficult to fund sportsbooks than it was previous years?

Does "parasites" refer to players like me or those that passed some antigambling laws? Can you be more specific?