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The only people who fall under the excusable section of 'disease' are the people who were born addicted or live under extreme drug-using circumstances (both parents/all family use drugs). The rest made the conscious decision to start using that drug and have found themselves powerless against that drug. AIDS is a disease, but if you willingly and unprotectedly sleep with a whore then you have brought that disease upon yourself.Comment -
Anyway enough of this nonsense, all you haters are just mad bc youre not gettin that 500 EBT special every month. Now I just got mine and I'm willing to trade it for 300 worth of crack rock (my kids already ate last month anyway), can you haters direct a down on his luck welfare recipient to the local crackhouse please I'd also like to engage in some unprotected sex with some crackwhores that arent on birth control while im there, if they get pregnant we'll split the winnings at the local social services officeComment -
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you wrote out 4 paragraphs none of which talk about my points but I am the stupid one
you want to stop sending free money to people,nowhere did I say anything about that one way or the other.
I agree that people who work low wage jobs should get tax breaks or other assistance
Everything in my post is truth,I don't need to rely on attacking someone personally, I use fact
the taxpayer WILL foot the bill for the ones who test negative [the governor says that they have the money for this in the video I provided as proof,I don't just talk about my opinion]and the news will never tell you how much it costs relative to the money being spent helping the less fortunate in life.
the funny part to me is that the people who create jobs look at the people who need a job the same way you are looking at those who for whatever reason are not fortunate enough to have someone create work for them or in other words take care of them.
Only when we can get past the idea of Us and Them will we understand that we all work together to try and survive in this world,whether that be a guy who shoots a ball into a hole and is paid 30 thousand a day or the guy who is forced to steal because that is the extent of his knowledge in lifeComment -
I believe that all states should have this requirement it would solve a lot of problemsComment -
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Andy wend is the perfect example of an asshole. Who do you think is gonna pay for hundres of thousands of birth control procedures? do you know how much this will cost? Dikkhead. This was by far the dumbest post in this whole thread. The point is to save the tax payers money. Asshole.
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you have to understand Andywend's mindsetAndy wend is the perfect example of an asshole. Who do you think is gonna pay for hundres of thousands of birth control procedures? do you know how much this will cost? Dikkhead. This was by far the dumbest post in this whole thread. The point is to save the tax payers money. Asshole.
He spends his parents money well into his 40's...see video below
No worries about saving anything with a unlimited bankroll
Ask jjgold
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Post the link for the video, so I could see. That was one really dumb post. I still can't get over that.Comment -
Good for Florida. This should be the standard nationwide.Comment -
Will i still get my food stamps? hell on the money. i need to eatComment -
last time i checked it was a country of opportunity and not a a country that works for the government
nothing is equal
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Scott Suspends Florida State Employee Drug Testing
by Phillip Smith, June 19, 2011, 05:01pm
Florida Gov. Rick Scott (R) has suspended his March executive order mandating random drug testing of state employees. He quietly sent a memo to agency heads on June 10 announcing the decision, but the move wasn't publicly exposed until the ACLU of Florida posted the memo on its web site last week.
Scott issued the executive order March 22, and the ACLU of Florida responded by filing a lawsuit alleging the order violated the Fourth Amendment's search and seizure provisions. The ACLU acted on behalf of the American Federation of State, County, and Municipal Employees (AFSCME), which represents some 50,000 state workers and 200,000 city and county workers in the Sunshine State.
Scott's memo bravely says he is "confident that the drug testing called for in the order is consistent with the Constitution," but acknowledges that "while the case is pending, it not does not make sense to move forward with the logistical issues involved in instituting the new policy."
Now, Scott wants to implement random drug testing only within the Department of Corrections. That would allow for the case to continue to move forward and be resolved, the memo said.
The ACLU of Florida has clearly and consistently said suspicionless drug testing of state employees is unconstitutional. It reacted to the governor's memo with vigor and pleasure.
"This is nothing less than a massive and embarrassing retreat on the part of Governor Scott," said Florida ACLU director Howard Simon. "Despite his continuing rhetoric, he must now realize that Floridians won't simply roll over but will stand up and defend our constitutional rights."
"We are pleased that this new order has delayed subjecting thousands of state employees to demeaning, invasive and illegal tests of their bodily fluids. But it does not change our constitutional challenge," said ACLU of Florida legal director Randall Marshall. "Any government search without suspicion of drug use or not directly related to public safety is a violation of privacy protections and we will vigorously move ahead with our challenge."
"Our suit was very clear about the reasons why the governor's order was unconstitutional," said ACLU of Florida cooperating counsel Peter Walsh. "And in direct response to our suit, the governor has retreated. The state already lost a previous case of random drug testing for Florida workers and the state simply cannot legally do what the governor ordered. His reconsideration and retraction of the heart of his proposal proves what we said all along -- his order is deeply, fatally flawed."
But Scott still seems not to understand that the Fourth Amendment provides protection against state intrusions of privacy that are unavailable to employees of private companies. "The private sector does this all the time," Scott told the Palm Beach Post as he tried to explain why he thought he would prevail. "I mean, our taxpayers expect our state employees to be productive. This is the right thing, and we're going forward."
Scott has also campaigned for and signed off on drug testing Florida welfare recipients and applicants. The ACLU of Florida has not filed suit to block that yet, but a second lawsuit aimed at the governor's fondness for making Floridians produce urine samples for the state is in the works. And the taxpayers of the state of Florida are going to end up paying to defend the indefensible.
Tallahassee, FL United States
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If only FL could recall this crony Koch sucker, who doesn't give a rats ass about jobs & the economy. Its been nothing but social issues & legislation to line his own pockets with tax payer money since he's taken office. Not a single jobs bill proposed since then.by Phillip Smith, June 19, 2011, 05:01pm
Florida Gov. Rick Scott (R) has suspended his March executive order mandating random drug testing of state employees. He quietly sent a memo to agency heads on June 10 announcing the decision, but the move wasn't publicly exposed until the ACLU of Florida posted the memo on its web site last week.
Scott issued the executive order March 22, and the ACLU of Florida responded by filing a lawsuit alleging the order violated the Fourth Amendment's search and seizure provisions. The ACLU acted on behalf of the American Federation of State, County, and Municipal Employees (AFSCME), which represents some 50,000 state workers and 200,000 city and county workers in the Sunshine State.
Scott's memo bravely says he is "confident that the drug testing called for in the order is consistent with the Constitution," but acknowledges that "while the case is pending, it not does not make sense to move forward with the logistical issues involved in instituting the new policy."
Now, Scott wants to implement random drug testing only within the Department of Corrections. That would allow for the case to continue to move forward and be resolved, the memo said.
The ACLU of Florida has clearly and consistently said suspicionless drug testing of state employees is unconstitutional. It reacted to the governor's memo with vigor and pleasure.
"This is nothing less than a massive and embarrassing retreat on the part of Governor Scott," said Florida ACLU director Howard Simon. "Despite his continuing rhetoric, he must now realize that Floridians won't simply roll over but will stand up and defend our constitutional rights."
"We are pleased that this new order has delayed subjecting thousands of state employees to demeaning, invasive and illegal tests of their bodily fluids. But it does not change our constitutional challenge," said ACLU of Florida legal director Randall Marshall. "Any government search without suspicion of drug use or not directly related to public safety is a violation of privacy protections and we will vigorously move ahead with our challenge."
"Our suit was very clear about the reasons why the governor's order was unconstitutional," said ACLU of Florida cooperating counsel Peter Walsh. "And in direct response to our suit, the governor has retreated. The state already lost a previous case of random drug testing for Florida workers and the state simply cannot legally do what the governor ordered. His reconsideration and retraction of the heart of his proposal proves what we said all along -- his order is deeply, fatally flawed."
But Scott still seems not to understand that the Fourth Amendment provides protection against state intrusions of privacy that are unavailable to employees of private companies. "The private sector does this all the time," Scott told the Palm Beach Post as he tried to explain why he thought he would prevail. "I mean, our taxpayers expect our state employees to be productive. This is the right thing, and we're going forward."
Scott has also campaigned for and signed off on drug testing Florida welfare recipients and applicants. The ACLU of Florida has not filed suit to block that yet, but a second lawsuit aimed at the governor's fondness for making Floridians produce urine samples for the state is in the works. And the taxpayers of the state of Florida are going to end up paying to defend the indefensible.
Tallahassee, FL United States
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They should work on their players... They need to start taking steroids or they need to start quitting "trying to play baseball" what a fki' joke they are!
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Nice sh it florida.Comment -
Drug testing should be mandatory for all collecting welfare, unemployment, all federal/state/local employees (including those holding office), police and fire. This will ensure that our kids teachers, people making decisions that effect our lives are not stoned on crack (DC mayor Marion "crackhead" Barry). Whats good for the goose is good for the gander.Comment -
Don't pick on andywend. It's not his fault that he never makes any sense in his posts. Natural selection misfired and let one pass. He is infected with Limbaugh-itis. Rush can't pass a drug test, that is what makes his posts so hilarious.Comment -
I'm pretty sure the guy who wrote this bill owns stock in drug testing companies.Comment -
Florida Gov. Rick Scott, has stated publicly several times that people on welfare use drugs at a higher rate than the general population. So at Scott’s urging earlier this year, the legislature implemented a policy requiring all temporary cash assistance applicants pass a drug test before getting any help.
The Department of Children and Families says about 2 percent of applicants are failing the test; another 2 percent are not completing the application process, for reasons unspecified, according to the Tampa Tribune
Cost of the tests averages about $30. Assuming that 1,000 to 1,500 applicants take the test every month, the state will owe about $28,800-$43,200 monthly in reimbursements to those who test drug-free.
That compares with roughly $32,200-$48,200 the state may save on one month’s worth of rejected applicants.
Net savings to the state: $3,400 to $5,000 annually on one month’s worth of rejected applicants.
Over 12 months, the money saved on all rejected applicants would add up to $40,800 to $60,000 for a program that state analysts have predicted will cost $178 million this fiscal year.Comment -
The as-yet uncalculated cost of staff hours and other resources that DCF has had to spend on implementing the program may wipe out most or all of the apparent savings, said Derek Newton, spokesman for the American Civil Liberties Union of Florida. The program will grow costlier yet, he said, if it draws a legal challenge.
A 2008 study by the Office of National Drug Control Policy also showed that 8.13 percent of Floridians age 12 and up use illegaldrugs.
Newton said that's proof the drug-testing program is based on a stereotype, not hard facts.
"This is just punishing people for being poor, which is one of our main points," he said. "We're not testing the population at-large that receives government money; we're not testing people on scholarships, or state contractors. So why these people? It's obvious-- because they're poor."Comment -
Doesn't make fiscal sense, but makes logical sense. You have to pee to get hired, why not free money?Comment -
Stupid fukks have cost the tax payer millions whilst saying theyve saved a few grand only in america..
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i know smokers who've told me they wished they had never started but couldn't kick the habit now, if your an older person, cigarettes were very popular way back and glamourised in tv and the effects were not "out there" like it is now....Weeds not a disease and the rest of the drugs....if you didn't know BEFORE your first line, needle or pill that it would be hard to kick...same for cigs.....that's their own damn fault.
Show me one current crackhead or smoker that said "wow, noone ever told me this shit would be hard to break once I started"
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Doesn't make sense period. Poor people barely have enough for food and rent, where are they getting this extra cash for drugs? The ONLY reason Rick Scott is pushing this crap is because he owns several companies that are issuing these drug test.
What do you expect from a guy who was CEO of the most corrupt private heath insurance company in US history. They scammed medicare for billions. Slick Rick is back to his old tricks.Comment -
Even more puzzling to me, is why do people care if their neighbor is doing a line of blow or smoking a joint anyway? He's not harming me. Why would I care what he does?Comment -
well the reasoning i guess is if they are taking drugs they are less likely to ever get employed again and will be receiving govt assistance from now to infinity.
The only problem is administering the tests may cost more than the money they save by not paying the druggies. Also like someone said, said druggies may also resort to crime if their funds are cut off.Comment -
are these random test or scheduled test?
anyone thats ever been on parole or probation knows its not hard to pass a drug test if you know when the test is being given...
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