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  • Justin7
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 07-31-06
    • 8577

    #1
    Player v BigactionPlayer Facts
    The player and the book agree to most of the facts. In May of 2006, the player deposited $20,000 and collected $4000 in bonuses. Over the next 18 months, the player beat the book out of $1,680,000. When the player attempted to cash out in November, the book refused, citing wagering fraud.

    The book alleged that the player was a mover for the Bananno family, which recently was recently the subject of sealed federal indictments. The book further alleged that the player was directly involved in numerous match fixings. It spent in excess of $60,000 on private investigators and produced compelling evidence that there were multiple occurrences of match fixing benefiting the player. In particular, I am convinced that multiple events from the Little League World Series of Baseball, Men's Tennis and Ita "B league" soccer were fixed before they occurred. The player denies he was involved in match fixing, but agrees that they might have been for the purposes of this mediation.

    The player used parlays involving at least 14 different matches that were likely fixed, and won all but one match. One 10-team parlay paid the player $600,000. The player made smaller bets on sides and totals, and was a net loser on events that were not fixed.

    In November, 3 persons appeared in Costa Rica claiming to represent the player. After initially presenting an Ukrainian passport for another of the book's players, the group was admitted. Once inside the sportsbook, they demanded payment of the player's balance. When the book refused, the 3 assaulted several clerks. While 4 employees had minor injuries, one clerk that fought back sustained a fracture to his right wrist and a broken nose (and incurred $8000 in medical expenses). The book accuses the "goon squad" of also wrecking their headquarters. The 3 allegedly destroyed 18 computer monitors, 5 computers, 2 72" flat screen plasma TVs, 12 29" LCD TVs, and most of the furniture in the main office. The book estimates the property damage at $47,000. The player denied that he knew anything about the goon squad in Costa Rica.

    The book had no rules prohibiting match fixing.

    The player wants $1.680m in winnings. The book wants to forfeit his deposit, claiming the player owes $55,000.

    How would you rule on this?
  • pico
    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
    • 04-05-07
    • 27321

    #2
    wow, justin. you should able to get into harvard law with these crazy dispute resolutions. i have to think about htis a bit...
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    • pico
      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
      • 04-05-07
      • 27321

      #3
      From what you said. there is overwhelming evidence that the player is connected. hehe...this is one of those situation where the bookie is the victim. But they're stupid for refusing to pay out the balance. If they suspect matchfixing, then they should voided the wager after the event, not when the players want a withdraw. So i'd say, they deserve to get the headquarter trashed. the bookie is at fault here. they better pay up, or shut down the operation and hide
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      • trixtrix
        Restricted User
        • 04-13-06
        • 1897

        #4
        if we can send the player to sbg global and sportsbook.com, i'll diet for a month
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        • jtuck
          SBR MVP
          • 02-18-08
          • 2051

          #5
          No clue how to resolve it, but match fixing on the Little League World Series? Are you serious?
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          • pico
            BARRELED IN @ SBR!
            • 04-05-07
            • 27321

            #6
            Originally posted by jtuck
            No clue how to resolve it, but match fixing on the Little League World Series? Are you serious?
            give the fat kid a candy bar for striking out
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            • moses millsap
              SBR Hall of Famer
              • 08-25-05
              • 8289

              #7
              Book has to pay. Do books refund players when they bet on the wrong side of fixes or tank jobs?
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              • pico
                BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                • 04-05-07
                • 27321

                #8
                Originally posted by moses millsap
                Book has to pay. Do books refund players when they bet on the wrong side of fixes or tank jobs?
                only one book...betfair, and it was right after the event
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                • bigboydan
                  SBR Aristocracy
                  • 08-10-05
                  • 55420

                  #9
                  You get some real gems lately don't you Justin.

                  The one question you have to ask yourself would be... "Would the book refund his money if he loss?"... I think not!

                  Did every other one of this books clients that wagered on those "fixed" events get graded accordingly and paid? If so then I feel this gentlemen deserves his money minus the damages and a little bit of compensation for roughing up those workers, however I'm not quite sure what a fair amount would be. But it sure the heck wouldn't be $1,680,000.
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                  • Santo
                    SBR MVP
                    • 09-08-05
                    • 2957

                    #10
                    Within what period of time were the "fixed" winnings accrued? If it's over a prolonged period then the book should have shut him down. The book should certainly have posted parlay limits significantly lower on such events. The player is also insane for allowing the balance to build so significantly.

                    I take it the book isn't saying that he exceeded posted payout maximums on parlays.

                    That said, there is no precedent amongst professional operations for forfeiting winnings based on fixed games, excepting the Davydenko case cited previously, and as far as I'm aware that was only voided at Betfair. The book should pay ~$1.6m
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                    • noyb
                      SBR Wise Guy
                      • 09-13-05
                      • 971

                      #11
                      i totally agree with santo. both the book and the player are totally unresponsible getting it to this point, the player has such an enormous balance there.

                      an important argument of the book deciding not to pay seems to be some of the matches he bet on were fixed according to them. if they are claiming that, they will have to prove that beyond any doubt (which is quite difficult), the simple fact you say you are convinced they were fixed is not enough in my opinion to warrant the books behaviour.
                      i know nothing about minor league baseball, but Italian Serie B soccer, that's some serious level of sport you are talking about. any fix in these kinds of matches would have made headlines around the world (especially in europe), I don't remember anything like that coming out in recent years. i'm not saying there were no suspicous matches in these kinds of league (a few examples do come to mind end of last season), but since it was never proven, this info is useless.

                      too bad some guys wrecked their office, but, if the book cannot prove a direct link between the player and the three guys, you can't blame it on him. even if they do, the damages are nowhere near the balance he is owed.

                      i'm sure the book would love to NOT pay, since that's quite a balance, but I definitely think they should.

                      must say though: one of the most colourful disputes you have had over here. reads like an exciting movie
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                      • robmpink
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 01-09-07
                        • 13205

                        #12
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                        • chemist
                          SBR High Roller
                          • 01-15-08
                          • 217

                          #13
                          Anyone know what day it is?
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                          • noyb
                            SBR Wise Guy
                            • 09-13-05
                            • 971

                            #14
                            Originally posted by chemist
                            Anyone know what day it is?
                            hmmm, very good point
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                            • Santo
                              SBR MVP
                              • 09-08-05
                              • 2957

                              #15
                              Originally posted by chemist
                              Anyone know what day it is?
                              Fair point. Interesting thought exercise anyway ;o)
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                              • durito
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 07-03-06
                                • 13173

                                #16
                                BigActionPlayer?

                                Is that an offshoot of BigJuicyOdds.


                                Fixing a little league game. That's classic.

                                Nice work justin.
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                                • DrunkenLullaby
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 03-30-07
                                  • 1631

                                  #17
                                  Jeez, took 7 hours + a chemist to figure out the atomic composition of Justin's story was primarily bullshit.
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                                  • JBC77
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 03-23-07
                                    • 3816

                                    #18
                                    This is just the tip of the iceburg. What many of you don't realize, probably half these books offshore are actually run by crime families. It won't surprise me to hear more juicy news of racketering charges in the weeks ahead. Unfortunately forum sites like this are facilitators for many mob run sites. If I ran one of these joints I would be very fearful of entering the United States on an airplane, you never know when your going to get scooped up. Hopefully most forum owners are based overseas and don't have U.S ties which would keep them safe. To say crime families aren't operating out of Costa Rica is like saying birds don't fly.
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                                    • diogee
                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                      • 01-11-08
                                      • 19477

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by DrunkenLullaby
                                      Jeez, took 7 hours + a chemist to figure out the atomic composition of Justin's story was primarily bullshit.
                                      I didn't even consider it because it was posted 2 hours before April 1st where I live.
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                                      • Justin7
                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                        • 07-31-06
                                        • 8577

                                        #20
                                        April Fools!
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                                        • diogee
                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                          • 01-11-08
                                          • 19477

                                          #21
                                          Nicely done Justin...one hell of a story.
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                                          • bigboydan
                                            SBR Aristocracy
                                            • 08-10-05
                                            • 55420

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Justin7
                                            April Fools!
                                            I really didn't expect you to pull an April fools gag like this Justin, but I must admit. It was pretty damn funny!
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                                            • chemist
                                              SBR High Roller
                                              • 01-15-08
                                              • 217

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by diogee
                                              I didn't even consider it because it was posted 2 hours before April 1st where I live.
                                              April fools was almost over where I live when I saw the story. If I'd thought a bit harder I would have realized yanks were still rubbing the sleep out their eyes and not spolied the fun by calling it so early.

                                              A pretty fair haul there anyway Justin. Well done!
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