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  • ritehook
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    #1
    Life Under the Mexican Occupation of California
    Which is what we "xenophobes" call it - an occupation.

    That's what it is. They call it that, basically, in Mexico. La Reconquista. The Reconquest. Of the land we supposedly stole from them about 160 years ago.

    So, back in early Januaray I got a ticket for turning on a red light. It was a sting by police in the South Bay of San Diego. The sign prohibiting it was microscopic, postage stamp size. The cops had four cars pulled over in front of me.

    (As the state, the counties, and the cities get increasingly broke, the number of tickets the uniformed tax collectors (police of various govt agencies) hand out grows apace, with strict enforcement of chickensh-t traffic laws. In Califorrnia, the fine for a no-seatbelt-offense is a ridiculous $90)

    Court appearance in late April. I"m out of town for a week (or two) before and a week after that date.

    So,as ticket was issued in the South Bay (bordering Mexico) I call the number there that's on the ticket, to get the fine amount and pay it with a credit card.

    Phone is answered by a machine, in both English and Spanish. (Engish first, but that will change witht time.) Same message keeps repeating.

    10 minutes, same message. No one answers.

    20 minutes, 30. At 35 I curse and hang up.

    Next day, today, I call when they offiicially open, 8:30 AM.

    This time it's only a ten minute wait.

    Guy who answers has a heavy Spanish accent. Almost all the govt workers in the South Bay are now of Mexican descent. This applies to many communities in the "American" Southwest.

    "I called to get the amount of my fine," I say. No answer. Nothing for a few minutes. Nada. I';m shouting into the phone.

    I assume the guy heard the English and decided to let the pinche gringo stew in his own juices.

    Mexicans of the better class, who of course are still in Mexico, tell me we are getting the worst of their country, the criminals and the losers.

    Ok, I figure I'll call back, and when he or one of his paisanos answer the phone, I'll say: Quiero pagar la multa. Wanna pay the fine.

    But no answer again after 15 minutes.

    As the occupation grows, and becomes permanent and pandemic, the inefficiency (just like in Mexico, compadre) will also grow. So too will the kind of massive, top-to-bottom corruption that has characterized Mexico since it's birth.

    There are other courts, other numbers, on the ticket. I'm thinking I should call one of them.

    I call the central office in Clairmont. About 20 minutes north of South Bay - San Diego, blocked on the south by Mexico and one the west by the ocean, sprawls in the other two directions.

    After a long phone message - at least in English - as to how one can pay varous fines, including the obscene ones given anonymously by cameras at traffic lighs, someone answers the phone.

    Speaker has good English, but I have a good ear. I can tell here first language was Spanish.

    But she's polite. Tells me that the ticket, given almost 3 months prior, has not yet been filed! "Call back in a week," she says. [groan]

    Almost all the govt jobs in California's larger cities have been filled by La Raza, those of Mexican descent. A govt job, just like in Mexico, is akin to winning the lottery.

    And so, this galloping inefficiency did not surprise me. It will also not surprise me, five or ten years from now, that one of these lottery winners will tell me that while the offiical fine is $250 (which is about what I will have to pay for this crap ticket), if I came in and paid them in person they could give me a discount of $100. And eliminate the ticket from the system so I won't get any "points."

    Hola, viva La Raza!
  • ritehook
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    #2
    I once knew this guy who worked at the city dump in Tijuana.

    If you were resident of TJ and wanted to get rid of a ton of junk you could take it to the dump of that huge city (no one really knows the true population figures - I personally believe there must be at least a million burglars among the residents, look at all the pretty iron bars on the house windows) and pay to unload it.

    And if you thought the official fee was to high - well, Jose, the dump worker, coud help you out there. Just cross his palm with some mordida (bribe) and you can dump your sh-t, senor.

    And please: leave no one jump up and tell me that the same happens in gringo America.

    Of course it does, but it's not (yet) pandemic. Corruption occurs everywhere, but it's a matter of degree. USA, maybe 25%,and that includes occupied America, like Calfiornia, Texas, Florida.

    Mexico: 98 %. (There are likely a few governmental madmen down there who don't take bribes)

    And for those dainty souls who have imbibed too many Wall Street Jounal editorials decrying "xenophobia," or the greasily greedy contractors in Podunk City, Middle America, happily counting their huge profits from employing cheap illegal labor --- may your homes be invaded por los hermanos de La Raza, who will rob and then eviscerate you.

    Bienvenidos a Atzlan, pendejo!
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    • tony73
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      #3
      Look at the bright side
      At least they aren't arabs
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      • willyback
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        #4
        The US should establish English as the national language by law.
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        • willyback
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          #5
          Can't speak it... too bad (go home).
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          • Red_Sux
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            #6
            March 25th, 2008
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            “Once they arrive, they will be sent to different cities around the U.S.,” David Derthick, a spokesman for the International Organization for Migration — which is screening and transporting the refugees — told CNN.

            The first group, arriving throughout the week, includes 121 refugees. They are being sent to New York; Chicago, Illinois; Syracuse, New York; and St. Louis, Missouri, and other cities, the International Organization for Migration said.
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            • Shark79
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              • 11-19-07
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              #7
              So, u mad at mexicans ... or at the govt that actually hires the mexicans?
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              • Shark79
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                #8
                Originally posted by willyback
                The US should establish English as the national language by law.
                Spanish is taught in schools now .. as the second language ...

                And in third world countries ... english is the language taught, however, mandarin is becoming a strong candidate to take control.

                It is not a plus anymore to speak the english language, it is a must.

                Just like it is in some parts of the US to speak/understand spanish
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                • willyback
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                  #9
                  Big business hires the mexicans, because they don't want to pay American workers a living wage. This need to compete on the global market is bullsh*t. Our economy should be self-sufficient.
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                  • donjuan
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                    #10
                    "Xenophobe" es una palabra buena para describirte.
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                    • willyback
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                      #11
                      dimelo!!!
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                      • donjuan
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                        #12
                        You see the same thing with Mexicans now as you saw with Italians and the Irish and any other large immigrant group earlier in American history.
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                        • durito
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                          #13
                          You are blaming a group of people, Mexicans (who I should add probably composed of people from a variety of countries not limited to Mexico) for US gov't incompetence -- which happens to exist in all parts of the country with all levels of it's employees.

                          La idioma principal de las americas es español. Tendría que aprender.
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                          • Robyn
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                            #14
                            White people need to start having more babies.
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                            • bettilimbroke999
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Robyn
                              White people need to start having more babies.
                              Well Robyn, cough cough I couldn't agree with you more. So err uh ya know if you're not busy tonight....
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                              • Robyn
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                                #16
                                It's too bad that I am too selfish to have kids. I guess that could be my one positive contribution to society. Or maybe not.
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                                • bettilimbroke999
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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Robyn
                                  It's too bad that I am too selfish to have kids. I guess that could be my one positive contribution to society. Or maybe not.
                                  Rats!
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                                  • HAPPY BOY
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by willyback
                                    Can't speak it... too bad (go home).
                                    I agree you should speak English, I speak both Spanish and English, English being my primary language. Heres a few things to chew on.

                                    1> the recordings in both languages are not because we are being nice to our latino population, its because corporate America is MAKING FVCKING MONEY off of our latino friends.

                                    2. They are here as are a lot of immigrants because Washington, last I checked both senate and house are run by white anglos WANTS THEM HERE.

                                    3. I believe we should guard our borders. My family is Cuban/Italian we migrated to the US legally and became contributing members of society as well as citizens. My brother is a corporal in the US ARMY. That said, the Cuban Adjustment act should be shut down cold. I have too many reasons as to why and my fingures are tiring.

                                    4. Wait till we have the American Union for labor, one currency ala Euro which will be used in all the Americas I.E Mexico, US, Canada. My advice amigo write your congressman and take up a second language.
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                                    • Robyn
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                                      #19
                                      Yep. Happy Boy is right! Times, well, they are a'changin.

                                      Growing up a very white girl in Michigan, it was a very big adjustment moving down to Florida. I have been trying to learn Spanish, but I am too stubborn.
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                                      • bigugly
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                                        #20
                                        Having kids is being selfish. The world simply doesn't need anymore.
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                                        • ritehook
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                                          #21
                                          Just got back to these boards (man, this is gettin' to be a bad habit) after posting my rant this AM.

                                          Just a general reply. I have nothing against Mexicans, tho I will stand by all I stated. (My ties to Mexico are close, and I'll say no more about it. Well, except this - in Mexico the concept of friendship is different than in the US. There, a friend as we would say it, is not an amigo. A friend, a close friend, is a camarada. Means comrade, but it doesn't translate well into Spanish. A camarada is more like a member of the family. To state,as one poster did, that I "don't like Mexicans" is as false as Dick Cheneys ugly face. End of that.)

                                          I also knew this waiter about 20 years ago, He was a waiter in TJ's red light area (tho that city does not have a specific red light area - but Zona Norte, Coahuilla (pron Cah-wheela) probably qualifies.)

                                          His sister, who jumped the border years before, owned a restauant up in East Los Angeles, which is in fact a large Mexican city on US soil.

                                          "She wants me to come up there and work for her," he told me. "I knew I could make more money there. But Mexico is my country. And I wouldn't want my kids to be exposed to the gangs up there. We don't have those much here. I'd rather stay here in Mexico, a little poorer, than to live up there a litter richer."

                                          I have far more respect for this humble Mexican than I do for virtually all the sellout US politicians. And all the little whores who labor at the Wall Street Journal, and other stained orifices of US "journalism." And, of course, of an entre boatload of CEOs of global corporations.

                                          The Irish, the Polish, the Italians etc who flocked here in the 19th and early 20th century were numerous, but not nearly as numerous of the hispanic (and other non-European ethnicities)flooding in now,. The very mass of these new immigrants will prevent their absorption into American culture.

                                          I knew a guy, the dad of a Mexican friend of mine, who lived and worked for 30 years in East LA (a mattress factory) and never learned more than 20 words of English. The area is a defacto Mexican city, with their own Spanish-speaking community centers, newspapers, tv and radio stations, etc

                                          I never blame the indivdual for the problems facing a nation.

                                          The fact is, tho, that there is much more opportunity for wealth in Mexico than there is in the US. Provided one has the smarts. Because the competition there (and likely in almost all Latino countries) is much less than in the US. Because (now all pc people cover your ears) whites of Anglo and North Europe heritage create prosperity like a dog "creates" a bark.

                                          Be it capitalist USA or socialist Sweden. A guy who here may have the talent to rise to mid-level management at a small compay in East Jesus, Texas would likely get to be a super rich CEO in Mexico. Someonw who struggles in Podunk Junction to keep a donut store going would likely own a large chain of them in Mexico within ten years.

                                          So you can see the total losers we are - for the most part - coming here, legally and illegally, (A blanket statement, and of course there are exceptions)

                                          I have known a few Americans who give up their US citizienship and became Mexicans just for that reason. With a modicum of brains and ambition, you have a much better chance to become wealthy than in the US.

                                          I never did it - money is good, but not my be-all and end-all. And you have to be totally fluent in the language - I speak and read it, but not with anything near total fluency.

                                          One good thing about a Mexicanized America - with the loss of general intelligence we won't have the technno ability to continue our warlike empire. Mexico has not waged a war (excluding internal revolutions) since the mid-19th century. And that was a defensive one, in response to the invasion of their country by - guess who?

                                          The lands Mexico lost in that war (US was lied into it by bogus atrocity reports and fabricated propaganda - sound familiar) was formalized in the hated Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. This treaty is now being abrogated in La Reconquista, millions of Mexicans "voting with their feet."
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                                          • ritehook
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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by bigugly
                                            Having kids is being selfish. The world simply doesn't need anymore.
                                            No, the world is losing children of European heritage at an alarming rate. If you are into environmentalism the preservation of this subspecies of homo sapien is of paramount importance.

                                            Some call it "racism." I call it ecological responsibility. And I am right.
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                                            • ritehook
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                                              #23
                                              Robyn, what is valued above all things in Mexico (after family) is a good-looking white (preferably blonde) American woman.

                                              This is the creme-de-la-creme of social prestige. The absolute status symbol. Having a long-legged blonde American girl on your arm in Mexico is much much better than owning a Mercedes.

                                              I know this white Irish guy from New England, who lived for years with this dark-skinned Mexican women. Her first baby, a girl, was light skined and blue-eyed.

                                              When the woman took her baby to the marketplace in Tijuana she would regularly be surrounded by Mexican mothers, cooing over the beuatiful baby, and making remarks to my friend's girlfriend like "An ugly women like you can't be the mother of this beautiful child."

                                              White, in non-white lands, means "beautiful." Hermosa, tan hermosa. The biggest racists in the world? The non-white folks who in private idolize los gueros, the blondes.

                                              No, you won't read facts like this in your local Daily Blah. Or in the NY Times. Or the WSJ.Or on CNN.

                                              It just fact. See what you learn on this board!!

                                              And by the way robyn, remind me sometime to tell the story of this good-looking blonde girl with sky blue eyes - she would hve looked in place walking down the street of Minneapolis.

                                              But she was Mexican, working in a brothel in Tijuana. One day I told her how - in my view - she became una puta, a whore.

                                              And when I did so she just looked at me and said, "J ----, me conozces."

                                              You know me.
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                                              • HAPPY BOY
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                                                #24
                                                you seem very well educated Hook. Another thing I noticed is I am of Hispanic decent. I AM WHITE. What, your Hispanic how are you white. I have no Indian. I descend from Europe ala Spain. Which last I checked is European. There are whites in Spain from Celtic decent as Olive skin Spaniards of Moore's decent. Mexicans are mostly a mix of Indians and Spanish. I know I'm splitting hairs but its amazing how sometimes we paint things with a broad brush. I digress, As an American I am 100% for Immigration control. Yes we are all sons and daughters of Immigrants but (ill translate this from an old Cuban saying) "we don't have enough beds for so many people anymore" in other words this is not 1800 America were immigration was a need. This is a hurting country that can no longer handle an invasion. Sorry to ramble hope I got my point across.
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                                                • bigugly
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by ritehook
                                                  No, the world is losing children of European heritage at an alarming rate. If you are into environmentalism the preservation of this subspecies of homo sapien is of paramount importance.

                                                  Some call it "racism." I call it ecological responsibility. And I am right.
                                                  It's not that simple. The world as a whole needs to reduce childbearing. The more educated people are (among other things), the fewer children they will tend to have. Sure, white people tend to fit that description. Your solution is having more white kids...to preserve white people in the world? There are bigger issues at hand.
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                                                  • ritehook
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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by HAPPY BOY
                                                    you seem very well educated Hook. Another thing I noticed is I am of Hispanic decent. I AM WHITE. What, your Hispanic how are you white. I have no Indian. I descend from Europe ala Spain. Which last I checked is European. There are whites in Spain from Celtic decent as Olive skin Spaniards of Moore's decent. Mexicans are mostly a mix of Indians and Spanish. I know I'm splitting hairs but its amazing how sometimes we paint things with a broad brush. I digress, As an American I am 100% for Immigration control. Yes we are all sons and daughters of Immigrants but (ill translate this from an old Cuban saying) "we don't have enough beds for so many people anymore" in other words this is not 1800 America were immigration was a need. This is a hurting country that can no longer handle an invasion. Sorry to ramble hope I got my point across.
                                                    Excellent post, and 100 % accurate.

                                                    Mexico has many racial strains, from full-blooded Amerinds to whites of unmixed European heritage. If you go to a city like Guadalajara you will see a number of whites who could easily pass as gringos in Podunk Junction, Kansas.

                                                    Descendants of the original Spanish conquistadores (many were blonde), descendants of the French who arrived with Maximillian (and stayed even after he was executed), descendants of various white religious fringe groups who sought refuge in Mexico, even some descendants of the Southern aristocracy and military officers who took up residence there after defeat by the Union forces, ca 1865.

                                                    There is a lot I like about Mexico. For one, becasue their technology is not as developed as in the US, there is actually more freedom, less govt intrusion. Mexicans, living for centuries under various corrupt and oppressive govts, have learned how to "overcome."

                                                    I like the sense of true friendship and extnded family. I have several friends in Mexico who, were I to commit a crime in the US and was on the FBI's Most Wanted List, would shelter me for months, perhaps for years.

                                                    So, for those who damn my "xenophobia" after reading too many neocon editorials in the Wall Street Journal, I have only this to say to you, amigos:

                                                    Chinga su madre, cabron!
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                                                    • OLGC_Slayer
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                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by tony73
                                                      Look at the bright side
                                                      At least they aren't arabs
                                                      I see you are fully brainwashed.
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                                                      • OLGC_Slayer
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                                                        #28
                                                        In fact, imagine if I said the same thing about Jews. I'll bet I would be booted off the forum.
                                                        Just another Western double standard.
                                                        Anyways, I believe in free speech and I think people should be allowed to speak their minds in any situation. I am not an Arab, I just have some very good lifelong friends who are, and this is simply a stupid comment coming from an ignoramus.
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                                                        • ritehook
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by bigugly
                                                          It's not that simple. The world as a whole needs to reduce childbearing. The more educated people are (among other things), the fewer children they will tend to have. Sure, white people tend to fit that description. Your solution is having more white kids...to preserve white people in the world? There are bigger issues at hand.
                                                          Heroic efforts are made to preserve some relativley obscure animal species.

                                                          But those of unmixed European blood are disappearing from the earth, a slow death. They are a subspecies of homo sapien, yes, but subspecies are worth preserving. The whole issue is, of course, distored and smothered by raucous cries of racism.

                                                          I reject the label; anyone who refuses to discuss the issue in a mature manner I don't take seriously. (And by the way, it was those of the Caucasian persusasion who invented the whole idea of "ecology." Thre are natives in Africa, govts there too, who would kill off every last elephant and rhino if they could line their pockets.)

                                                          As those of European heritage become a minority in America (projected to happen in about 40 years, less if the illegal flood here isn't halted tomorrow) then "racism" will become a daily fact of life,and "white flight" will create little balkanized enclaves throughout the land.

                                                          Already happening. Multi-cultural empires have relatively short life-spans - the Romans, the Hapburgs in modern times. And Amerca in the 21st century.

                                                          We will see in the US of A, increasingly, the kind of thing that happens now under the enormous stress of prison life: groups separating out on the basis on nothing more than race. Why? Because that is the most elemental form of protection, of instinctive solidarity.

                                                          It's not whether it's "right" or "wrong." It's simply Nature, and the everlasting Will to Survive.
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                                                          • swede96
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                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by ritehook
                                                            Chinga su madre, cabron!
                                                            I don't know much Spanish...but I know what that means!

                                                            I have a couple little stories to add:

                                                            My sister lives in San Clemente. She and her husband used to go to TJ to party once in a while. One night, they were stopped by the "police" down there and bsically told they could pay them or go to jail. My brother in law handed them whatever was in his wallet (which wasn't much), then looked at my blond haired, blue eyed sister. Her husband quickly added in Spanish: "Do you think I would let the woman hold any money?" And they all had a big laugh and went on their ways. In fact, she was holding most of the money for that very reason. Moral of the story: Always let the blonde girl hold the money.

                                                            My brother used to party in TJ during his Marine days. One night he got drunk and went into an alley to pee. Of course, he was arrested. He had spent all his money on booze, so they told him that if he didn't come up with his "bail money" they would start cutting off fingers in the morning. My parents had to wire a few grand down there to save his hands. See what happens when you don't bring a blonde?
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                                                            • ritehook
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                                                              #31
                                                              Let me, hopefully, end this thread by finishing the story of the blonde and blue-eyed Mexican puta, whore.

                                                              She was actually interested in being my "girlfriend," moving in with her. And, yeah, she would still work. But even as young as I was then, being a pedrote, pimp, wasn't and isn't my thing. And, I was in a relationship with an American woman (who, strangely, was actully darker-complected than this blonde).

                                                              "Let me guess how you got into this [prostitution] business," I told her one day. You are a good-looking blue-eyed blonde. We both know that such looks carry high prestige here in Mexico, as rarity makes everything more desirable.

                                                              "So from the time of puberty, maybe before, you had the boys, maybe men too, clawing at you. And you let a few take their pleasure, and now have only a few children to show for it. Your lovers wanted no part of children.

                                                              "So, after a lot of this bull, you figured if they want you to let them pay for it. And so you became una prostituta."

                                                              And she replied, simply: "Me conoces," you know me.
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                                                              • aszzzbrokerman
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                                                                #32
                                                                Its as if some of you forget where you come from. Here's the beginning of an interesting article I read a while back.
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                                                                Kenneth C. Davis, writer of the Don't Know Much About History series, starts his NYT op-ed with a provacative quote from a "prominent American" describing the flow of immigrants into the newly founded experiment-in-democracy, the United States:

                                                                "Few of their children in the country learn English... The signs in our streets have inscriptions in both languages ... Unless the stream of their importation could be turned they will soon so outnumber us that all the advantages we have will not be able to preserve our language, and even our government will become precarious."

                                                                Sound familiar? This esteemed American, Davis then impishly reveals, was not a member of some fringe anti-immigrant party but none other than founding father Benjamin Franklin. And the immigrants he was so worried about were Germans arriving in Pennsylvania, whom Franklin believed to be the "most stupid of their nation". The Germans are coming, the Germans are coming!

                                                                Fast-forward to modern-day Amerika: in the wake of the recent failure to pass an immigration reform bill in the US Senate, Davis reminds us that "anti-immigrant sentiment is older than America itself". Indeed, surveys show that second, third and fourth generation immigrant families tend to make up some of hardiest "we were here first" xenophobes.

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                                                                Be ahead of the curve not behind it. America needs hungry immigrants to do its dirty work because the people that are already here are too fat and happy to any of the dirty work. There aren't very many "white" populations left from which to draw these necessary immigrants so the browning of America has begun. It was doomed to happen from the start. Most people have always been too busy living in the present to see what the future would present. Be ahead of your time and you will be better off for it. You oppose a movement which cannot be stopped.
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                                                                • ritehook
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Finally, how Mexico treats its own minorities.

                                                                  Whenever I hear some crooked Mexican politician (a redundancy) decry the "human rights violations" of the US in relation to the illegal problem here, I have the urge to vomit.

                                                                  F'rinstance: as dismal as was our treatment of American Indiians, it's stellar compared to Mexico's.

                                                                  Pure-blooded Indians are held in contempt in Mexico. (Even tho their greatest presidnt, Juarez, was one). A reason(I was once told) for why almost all Mexican men grow facial hair is that is supposed to be "proof" that one is not a full-blooded Indian.

                                                                  One talented and warlike tribe, the Yaqui, steadfastly resisted the intrusions of the Mexicans upon their land for centuries.
                                                                  In the early 20th century, the dictator, Porfirio Diaz, attempted a genocide agaisnt them. Many escaped to Arizona, where their descndants still live,in the Tucson area.

                                                                  There is still a simmering uprising in parts of southern Mexico, be disaffected and impoverished Indians.

                                                                  The better class of Mexicans think we (the gringos) are completely crazy for allowing our country to be overwhelmed by their excess population. "We are exporting our problems to your country," one educated Mexican told me about 10 years ago.

                                                                  My solution to the problem of Mexican illegals: gather all the young men up and train them, with pay, to be soldiers, including guerillas. Arm them with sophisticated weaponry and send them back to overthrow the corrupt govt there.

                                                                  And after they are ensconced in Los Pinos (the Mexican White House) close the border. And invite their bretheren up here, legally and illegally, to come back home. The US govt can provide a fund of maybe $500 million to educate the returnees, to perform solid trade jobs.

                                                                  That is a small fraction of what we spend in pits like Iraq. And would be much more preservative of the kind of USA most of us would like to keep,
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                                                                  • ritehook
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                                                                    In reply to Swede: right, but also cuidado!, take care!

                                                                    I have seen young girls, high school and college age, down in Tijuana on a Friday or Saturnday nite, gettiing smashed in the danc bars (legal age in Mexico to drink is 18 - but I've seen many drinkers who were clearly younger than that.

                                                                    At one time in TJ (1980s or early '90s) there was in TJ a "gringa patrol."

                                                                    Cops patrolling the downtown tourist area would, late night, keep their eyes out for a drunken American girl. And tell her that they would have to arrest her for disorderly conduct.

                                                                    Naturally, that would usually sober her up fast. And now she was vulnerable. But, she was told, she would have to perform fellatio on the cop if she wished be let free.

                                                                    Don't think this happens anymore in TJ, as they have set up tourist complaint offices, due to the fact that tourism, especially by young Americans (and older ones coming south to buy inexpesive medicines without a prescription) is still an important part of the local economy.

                                                                    BTW, if you are stopped in Mexico, certainly in Baja, which I know, for traffic, you do not have to "pay the fine now." Be polite. Be co-operative. Tell the cop that you have great respect for the laws of Mexico, and while you don't think you committed the violation of which he speaks, you are more than willing to follow him to the police station to pay the fine.

                                                                    More than likely they will then let you go with a "warning."

                                                                    It would, of course, help if you spoke a little Spanish. The last time I was pulled over the cops in TJ, I recited, in Spanish, my little speech, as above.

                                                                    "Do you live in Mexico,senor" the cop asked. No, I replied, but I visit frequently.

                                                                    "You'll have to follow me down to the police stattion, then."

                                                                    This is supposed to raise huge clouds of fear in the intended gringo victim. As I have already once visited a friend who was in fact housed for a few weeks in the infamous Tijuana jail, I had no fear.

                                                                    Especially since I knew that a mere traffic ticket will not put one behind bars.

                                                                    "OK," I know exactty where the police station is. Do you wnat me to meet you there, or shall I follow?"

                                                                    He loooks at me as tho I had just landed from Mars. "Just a minute,'" he says, and returns to his patrol car.

                                                                    Then, his partner comes up to try his luck. Same rountine. "Tengo mucho respeto para las leyes de Mexico, senor," say I. I respect Mexico's laws [tho can's say the same for those who are supposed to enforce 'em - that was left unsaid].

                                                                    "Ok, senor, I am only going to give you a warning this time. But please drive carefully."

                                                                    He started to walk away - I called out after him. "No senor. If I did violated the laws of Mexico I really should pay. Do you want me to meet you at the station?"

                                                                    "Adios, senor. Have a good day." Now, he was virtually running back to his squad car. I was sorely tempted to follow him, repeating my "respect" mantra. But figured I better not push my luck.

                                                                    They don't want to go thru the paperwork of a ticket, as I well knew. And I also knew that the fines for minor traffic offenses are, in Mexico, small in relation to those in the U.S.
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                                                                    • ritehook
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      wow, this is fun, addictive actually.

                                                                      But i gotta get out of here. All day posters must be retired or on the ol' pork chop someone. Nice (lack of) work if you can get it.

                                                                      Asz, yes that's right. A lot of Germans were here in colonial America. In fact, German lost by but one vote in the Continental Congress of becoming the official language of the new republc.

                                                                      Big diff between then and now: the Germans were in fact literal blood brothers of the English settlers. In fact, English is basically a combo of Latin and Old German.

                                                                      The Germans assimilated easily. The culture was basically the same. Not so with most of the current crop of immigrants.

                                                                      I mean, it's nice to have a good Mexican restaurants in your neighborhood. But less nice to have a huge crew of cholos, of pandilleros. Gang members terrorizing the neighborhoods. (There were no large German criminal gangs 230 years ago,.)

                                                                      And on the traffic subject.

                                                                      I learned about the relatively small fines for traffic offienses in Mexico once, when a few years prior I had made an illegal U-Turn (all u-turns in Mexico are illegal).

                                                                      I was pulled over imediately by a lady cop, the first one I'd ever seen in Mexico.

                                                                      As I handed her my driver's licence I went into my speech about respect for Mexican laws. And told her I was a journalist who sometimes wrote travel stories about beautiful Baja.

                                                                      "If you're a journalist," she said, "then you know where the police station is, I think."

                                                                      I owned up that indeed I knew where it was.

                                                                      "Meet me there in ten minutes, pay your fine, and I'll retrun your license to you."

                                                                      Which I did. The fine was quite small. As she handed me back my licence, I said: "Mexico should have a woman president."

                                                                      She smiled.So did I. A neat experience, one you won't read in the tourist brochures.
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