How important was Lebron to Cavs?

**Illusion** · 01-09-11, 09:41 PM

30+ wins better with him.

**zam77** · 01-09-11, 09:41 PM

Masu you had to bring this up didn't you... all I can say is hopefully we'll get the first pick this year.

**sneak-a-peak** · 01-09-11, 09:45 PM

Looks like LeBitch is worth about 15 points to Vegas (quite a lot for 1 player IMO)

Games where the Cavs are DD underdogs this year they were 5 point faves last year against those teams

**hockeynut** · 01-09-11, 10:10 PM

He's not the only impact player. The Raps are close to a lottery team without Bosh. The NBA is like this.

**Masu485** · 01-09-11, 10:35 PM

Originally posted by hockeynut

He's not the only impact player. The Raps are close to a lottery team without Bosh. The NBA is like this.

I miss when a couple of years ago every team had ONE star who was the face of the team.

Cavs had Lebron, Philly had Iverson, Denver with Melo, Kings had K-Mart, Miami had Wade, NJ had Carter etc...

Nowadays the talent is more contained. Orlando and Miami are two examples.

**SportsMushroom** · 01-09-11, 10:45 PM

cavs might not get 20 wins if they keep this up

**Cap dat 4ss** · 01-09-11, 10:54 PM

Originally posted by Masu485

I miss when a couple of years ago every team had ONE star who was the face of the team.

Cavs had Lebron, Philly had Iverson, Denver with Melo, Kings had K-Mart, Miami had Wade, NJ had Carter etc...

Nowadays the talent is more contained. Orlando and Miami are two examples.

Orlando? LOL What a horrible example to prove you point. The Lakers, Celtics, Spurs would have been better examples. Anyways, better ratings when large market teams have a lot of talent. Just the way it is.

**Gumdog** · 01-09-11, 10:57 PM

the raps werent much better last yr anyway

**lakerboy** · 01-09-11, 10:57 PM

meant nothing- they won nothing with him and will win nothing without him.

**Masu485** · 01-09-11, 11:01 PM

Originally posted by Cap dat 4ss

Orlando? LOL What a horrible example to prove you point. The Lakers, Celtics, Spurs would have been better examples. Anyways, better ratings when large market teams have a lot of talent. Just the way it is.

I meant Boston with the whole Big 3 thing, FUKK!

**CAPP3D OUT** · 01-09-11, 11:28 PM

Originally posted by lakerboy

meant nothing- they won nothing with him and will win nothing without him.

Right Cleveland is cursed trust me i live here i know

**jjgold** · 01-09-11, 11:41 PM

Well James is best player in NBA

So of course it means a lot

**SBRMAN23** · 01-09-11, 11:53 PM

Very important it just shows how one person can affect a whole team and franchise

**iQon** · 01-09-11, 11:59 PM

It has nothing to do with LeBron. When you have a 1A and 1B as your top scoring option --- and their names are Mo Williams and Antawn Jamison, you are not going to be good. JJ Hicks, Daniel Gibson and Varejao are next.

The Bulls won 55 games the year Jordan retired. If the Cavs had that kind of talent, they would win 50 games, as well.

**Ace_of_Spades** · 01-10-11, 12:00 AM

Originally posted by Masu485

This is unreal, I've never seen a team fall so hard and so fast. He must have been the whole team. They are nothing now, shitty record, can't even cover DD spreads, shitty ATS record. That town must be furious.

How did you not know Lebron leaving would kill the Cavs.

**TheThreeKings** · 01-10-11, 12:00 AM

Originally posted by iQon

It has nothing to do with LeBron. When you have a 1A and 1B as your top scoring option --- and their names are Mo Williams and Antawn Jamison, you are not going to be good. JJ Hicks, Daniel Gibson and Varejao are next.

The Bulls won 55 games the year Jordan retired. If the Cavs had that kind of talent, they would win 50 games, as well.

Explain how that has nothing to do with Lebron? The same team + Lebron and a worse coach won 60+ games each of the past two seasons, yet this team without him will struggle to get 20.

**DarkMage** · 01-10-11, 12:08 AM

The team was built around Lebron and with him gone there is no gameplan. Now with Varejao out for the season they will just get worse, they will not be able to salvage this season but maybe they will make some smart moves in the offseason and have a chance to be a ok team next year.

**riskyProps** · 01-10-11, 12:11 AM

The Cavs lost more than Lebron. Everybody who could get out, got out. Yes but a lot of teams are 1 man down, whole team screwed. Look at the Mavs. They lose Dirk and now even the Craptors can beat them. LOL!

**TheThreeKings** · 01-10-11, 12:13 AM

Originally posted by riskyProps

The Cavs lost more than Lebron. Everybody who could get out, got out. Yes but a lot of teams are 1 man down, whole team screwed. Look at the Mavs. They lose Dirk and now even the Craptors can beat them. LOL!

Meaning who? Shaq and Z? I don't think that's the cause of the Cavs current struggles.

**iQon** · 01-10-11, 12:49 AM

Originally posted by TheThreeKings

Explain how that has nothing to do with Lebron? The same team + Lebron and a worse coach won 60+ games each of the past two seasons, yet this team without him will struggle to get 20.

Again, their best options on offense are Mo Williams/Antawn Jamison, JJ Hickson/Gibson, Varejao. Are you kidding me?

It's a one point game with a minute to go, and Byron Scott has to draw up a play for... Mo Williams? GTFO

They don't "need LeBron", they just need a guy who can score 25+ ppg. A legit #1 option.

**TheThreeKings** · 01-10-11, 12:52 AM

Originally posted by iQon

Again, their best options on offense are Mo Williams/Antawn Jamison, JJ Hickson/Gibson, Varejao. Are you kidding me?

It's a one point game with a minute to go, and Byron Scott has to draw up a play for... Mo Williams? GTFO

They don't "need LeBron", they just need a guy who can score 25+ ppg. A legit #1 option.

I still don't understand your point. Do you think there's another star in the league who could carry that team to 60+ wins? Their atrocious performance this year only emphasizes how important Lebron was to this team.

**Whippit** · 01-10-11, 01:24 AM

not just lebron, they also lost their big man

**BigSpoon** · 01-10-11, 01:34 AM

Originally posted by hockeynut

He's not the only impact player. The Raps are close to a lottery team without Bosh. The NBA is like this.

Meh, Bosh only made the playoffs 2 out of the 7 seasons he was in Toronto. No big deal with him gone. Not a huge difference between missing the playoffs or losing in the 1st round anyways.

**iQon** · 01-10-11, 01:36 AM

They don't "need LeBron", they just need a guy who can score 25+ ppg. A legit #1 option.

I really shouldn't have to say that 3 times. Get LeBron's dick out of your mouth.

Put Wade, Dirk, Durant, Stoudemire, Rose, Kobe, Melo... Hell even put a guy like Granger, Love, Dwight, or Gasol on that team to put up 20 a night, and they win 45 games. It has nothing to do with LeBron, other than his ability to hang 30 a night. You are not going to win games depending on Williams and Jamison in the 4th quarter. Prime example, tonight...

**TheThreeKings** · 01-10-11, 01:44 AM

Originally posted by iQon

I really shouldn't have to say that 3 times. Get LeBron's dick out of your mouth.

Put Wade, Dirk, Durant, Stoudemire, Rose, Kobe, Melo... Hell even put a guy like Granger, Love, Dwight, or Gasol on that team to put up 20 a night, and they win 45 games. It has nothing to do with LeBron, other than his ability to hang 30 a night. You are not going to win games depending on Williams and Jamison in the 4th quarter. Prime example, tonight...

You don't get it. Sure, another star could get them to 45 wins. No one besides Lebron could take that bunch to 60+ wins.

Last year this team won 61 games. This year they are on pace to win less than 20. The only difference is Lebron is gone. There is not another player in the NBA worth 40+ wins by himself. Don't be a hater.

**onlooker** · 01-10-11, 01:48 AM

Lebron was Cleveland. Period. Check 2002 and now 2010. They are right back where they were before Lebron got drafted.

**jmilacek** · 01-10-11, 02:09 AM

Keep it mind it wasn't just losing their best player, it was losing their style of play.

**lunchbawks** · 01-10-11, 02:14 AM

I thought the cavs wouldn't be so bad with their new additions.

Jamison is seriously talented

**yassen28** · 01-10-11, 02:31 AM

Cleveland need more than a big man and 25+ per night to be a contender .