Pinny Now Getting Consistently Beat By 5Dimes

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  • Sunde91
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 11-26-09
    • 8325

    #1
    Pinny Now Getting Consistently Beat By 5Dimes
    In terms of having better lines (particularly ML dogs). This is a recent development I have noticed.
    I notice them beating even Matchy on some too.

    Example: GB +125 @ 5D; +120 @ Pinny; +122 @ Matchbook

    I have to think Pinny (matchy on some) are cutting back the value, cause they're almost on par with shops like BM or Greek now, because it was always (in terms of line value): 1) Matchy 2) Pinny 3) 5D.
  • Jontheman
    SBR High Roller
    • 09-09-08
    • 139

    #2
    Well if Pinny and 5D are both running 10 cent lines then 5D will always be better than Pinny on one side of the line (unless they are identical) so what's your point? Your concept of value seems a bit confused - just because 5D is better odds on the dog and Pinny on the fave it isn't automatic that 5D is offering value.
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    • Ace_of_Spades
      SBR Posting Legend
      • 10-14-09
      • 13518

      #3
      Pinnacle is better than 5Dimes, no contest.
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      • sportsfanatic
        SBR MVP
        • 03-10-07
        • 3967

        #4
        deleted
        Last edited by sportsfanatic; 01-09-11, 07:17 AM.
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        • zebras99
          SBR Sharp
          • 07-21-10
          • 392

          #5
          5 dimes might be better at some markets, but there are numerous markets where pinny beats everyone.
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          • Ibrakadabra
            SBR Sharp
            • 10-30-10
            • 271

            #6
            This is interesting but of what I heard 5 dimes is very fast when it comes to limiting, making the comparison a bit unfair. I mean, if you only accept very small stakes it´s a lot easier too keep low juice. So, isn´t this just some kind of marketing from 5 dimes to show they can compete with Pinnys pricing? When in reality those lines can only be used for small stakes and by "recreationals"?
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            • jjgold
              SBR Aristocracy
              • 07-20-05
              • 388189

              #7


              5 Dimes you can bet $200 and Pinnacle $10,000 and up

              5 Dimes could not afford to pay 10K winners
              case fukkin closed
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              • onion
                SBR High Roller
                • 12-16-10
                • 126

                #8
                Pinnacle the best, no game
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                • mminkovski
                  SBR MVP
                  • 06-22-07
                  • 1077

                  #9
                  you need to calculate bookie's edge to figure out which one is better. I'd still go for Pinnacle
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                  • Monte
                    SBR MVP
                    • 08-21-10
                    • 2056

                    #10
                    Just use them all if you can, why think about which is better...but for betting larger amounts it is no contest, Pinny is for Pros and 5Dimes is not.
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                    • 20Four7
                      SBR Hall of Famer
                      • 04-08-07
                      • 6703

                      #11
                      I have found several places that offered value compared with Pinny. I have been limited or kicked out of each one of them. Beat Tony and see what G*D has to say. He'll boot your ass so hard you won't find it for a week.
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                      • BigSpoon
                        SBR MVP
                        • 11-04-10
                        • 4113

                        #12
                        $500 limit on the RJ at 5Dimes at +110 for Green Bay.

                        $30K limit at Pinny at +109 for Green Bay atm.
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                        • Sunde91
                          SBR Hall of Famer
                          • 11-26-09
                          • 8325

                          #13
                          I know the limits, just saying I rarely ever saw 5D with better line value than Pinny, now I see it often. Also seeing Pinny go up to 15 cent lines, when they used to have like 8 cent lines.

                          Bad title, fine.
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                          • kkkkk
                            SBR Wise Guy
                            • 03-30-09
                            • 523

                            #14
                            this title is joke, 5Dimes should be E or F rated, becose they steal money.
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                            • Rich Boy
                              SBR Hall of Famer
                              • 02-01-09
                              • 9713

                              #15
                              5Dimes dominates Pinny in terms of betting options, but limits are low.

                              Both are good outs
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                              • MarkDee
                                SBR Sharp
                                • 01-03-10
                                • 427

                                #16
                                Pinny pays out no prob, never a prob
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                                • BetterBizness
                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                  • 05-20-06
                                  • 5737

                                  #17
                                  In the 100,000 products on the shelf, Wal-Mart doesn't always have the lowest price either...
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                                  • creditcardclown
                                    SBR High Roller
                                    • 11-28-10
                                    • 242

                                    #18
                                    QUESTION

                                    is 5dimes sketchy? i was gonna get a friend to send me monetey there.

                                    if a site charges low vig, shouldnt they also have low limits? and if a site has high vig, cant they afford to have v. high limits?
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                                    • raydog
                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                      • 11-07-07
                                      • 6984

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by kkkkk
                                      this title is joke, 5Dimes should be E or F rated, becose they steal money.
                                      more ignorance...you are obviously one of the many many shot takers who has tried to fukk them out of a bad line, got caught and chucked. tony is no saint, but he is fair and very rarely will you come across one of the complaint cases and find that 5dimes is in the wrong
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                                      • bracerman
                                        SBR Sharp
                                        • 01-07-11
                                        • 469

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by creditcardclown
                                        QUESTION

                                        is 5dimes sketchy? i was gonna get a friend to send me monetey there.

                                        if a site charges low vig, shouldnt they also have low limits? and if a site has high vig, cant they afford to have v. high limits?
                                        They'll limit you and ban you if they don't like your plays, but I believe they always pay.
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                                        • durito
                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                          • 07-03-06
                                          • 13173

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Sunde91
                                          I know the limits, just saying I rarely ever saw 5D with better line value than Pinny, now I see it often. Also seeing Pinny go up to 15 cent lines, when they used to have like 8 cent lines.

                                          Bad title, fine.

                                          You just have selective memory. With the exception of ncaab totals pinny's holds are lower than ever. They've made them more consistent. That 5dimes has better prices on one side of a game often is irrelevant, most rec books do every day.
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                                          • sharpcat
                                            Restricted User
                                            • 12-19-09
                                            • 4516

                                            #22
                                            Only time 5dimes offers a better price than Pinnacle is if they are either trying to balance their action or they are slow to react to Pinnacles line move.

                                            5dimes is the most notorious copycat book out there and would not be around if it was not for Pinnacle.
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                                            • jw
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 10-25-09
                                              • 3999

                                              #23
                                              I noticed the past few days that more and more of my soccer plays were going with 5Dimes .. lines do seem much more competitive recently.
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                                              • KGambler
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 07-09-09
                                                • 2404

                                                #24
                                                I have been noticing recently that many lines which are lined at something like

                                                +4 -101
                                                -4 -109

                                                at Pinnacle will still be -105/-105 at 5Dimes. I don't know if this is on purpose or if they are slow to "clone" Pinny's line. It looks like they don't try to clone every Pinny line though. It often happens you see -108 at 5Dimes for something which is -109 at Pinnacle.

                                                Of course, you can only bet to win $500 max on 5Dimes reduced juice. But they are a very solid out. To say that a professional wouldn't play there is just dumb. A professional should have many outs.

                                                And for games like the Green Bay game mentioned, they often let you wager the reduced juice line many times without moving it. If you wager the max, try again in a couple of minutes if the line has not moved. Sometimes it will go through.
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                                                • RonPaul2008
                                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                                  • 06-08-07
                                                  • 6741

                                                  #25
                                                  5Dimes sucks! They are a pussy ass book. End of story.
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                                                  • THEGREAT30
                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                    • 10-04-08
                                                    • 8970

                                                    #26
                                                    that is impossible 5Dimes will never be as trusted as Pinny
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                                                    • DrunkHorseplayer
                                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                                      • 05-15-10
                                                      • 7719

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by creditcardclown
                                                      QUESTION

                                                      is 5dimes sketchy? i was gonna get a friend to send me monetey there.

                                                      if a site charges low vig, shouldnt they also have low limits? and if a site has high vig, cant they afford to have v. high limits?
                                                      If you know what you're doing you'll be booted in no time; Pinny is overwhelmingly superior.
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                                                      • the_situation
                                                        SBR MVP
                                                        • 10-22-10
                                                        • 2735

                                                        #28
                                                        Pinny is miles better than Dimes...and thats a small sample size. 90% of the time Pinny has the better price
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                                                        • BranchDavidian
                                                          SBR MVP
                                                          • 08-29-10
                                                          • 1014

                                                          #29
                                                          right now I see Pinny has an 11 cent range on the ncaa championship. 5dimes has a 10cent margin, and will stay 10 cents up to around +200. Pinny's will go up to 15 cents after +115 or so. 5dimes will have 5 cent overnight baseball lines. So quite often, 5dimes will charge less juice than Pinny. However, this does not make 5dimes "better" than Pinny. Because, if Pinny has the best number for the favorite, then 5dimes will have the better for the dog, and VC-versa. "Better lines" are not to be determined by who has the best payout on a certain favorite or dog. It is ridiculous to talk about who has the best lines, unless you are referring to amount of juice taken.
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                                                          • Hareeba!
                                                            BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                            • 07-01-06
                                                            • 36978

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by onion
                                                            Pinnacle the best, no game
                                                            they're good, better by heaps than 5D but not the best

                                                            I place my bets where I can get my money on at the best price on offer

                                                            In the past couple of days I've bet on something like 40 tennis matches .. only 3 of them at Pinnacle .. about 70% of the rest at Betfair
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                                                            • Sawyer
                                                              SBR Hall of Famer
                                                              • 06-01-09
                                                              • 7710

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by jjgold


                                                              5 Dimes you can bet $200 and Pinnacle $10,000 and up

                                                              5 Dimes could not afford to pay 10K winners
                                                              case fukkin closed
                                                              Well said JJ.

                                                              5Dimes' odds are higher then pinnacle sometimes but we can't compare Pinny and 5D. One of them is the biggest book on earth. They accept/tolerance pro action. On the other side, 5D is for recreational bettors.

                                                              Btw, please be advised that Betfair comission is only %1.99 in hockey market. Betfair hockey odds may be higher then Pinnacle sometimes. Not always of course! There is a dramatical difference in limit/liquidity of course. You won't be able to bet 10k at Betfair since hockey liquidity is low. But you can place 1k-2k with ease. If you bet 300-500$ per game like you, you'll be fine with BF. Also you should use 5D 'til they show you the door. Reduced Juice is a great bonus.
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                                                              • fido007
                                                                SBR Hustler
                                                                • 04-15-09
                                                                • 97

                                                                #32
                                                                Is the betfair hockey comission stated in their rules and are there other markets with lower commission
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                                                                • Hareeba!
                                                                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                                  • 07-01-06
                                                                  • 36978

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by Sawyer
                                                                  Well said JJ.

                                                                  5Dimes' odds are higher then pinnacle sometimes but we can't compare Pinny and 5D. One of them is the biggest book on earth. They accept/tolerance pro action. On the other side, 5D is for recreational bettors.

                                                                  Btw, please be advised that Betfair comission is only %1.99 in hockey market. Betfair hockey odds may be higher then Pinnacle sometimes. Not always of course! There is a dramatical difference in limit/liquidity of course. You won't be able to bet 10k at Betfair since hockey liquidity is low. But you can place 1k-2k with ease. If you bet 300-500$ per game like you, you'll be fine with BF. Also you should use 5D 'til they show you the door. Reduced Juice is a great bonus.
                                                                  are you referring to Ice Hockey?
                                                                  I was unaware of that reduced market rate.
                                                                  In fact I've been playing there and my comm. has always been based on the 5% standard base rate.
                                                                  And just looking at the current screens (which always show the base rate) :
                                                                  5% Market Base Rate (minus your discount)
                                                                  so where are you getting that from Sawyer?
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                                                                  • fido007
                                                                    SBR Hustler
                                                                    • 04-15-09
                                                                    • 97

                                                                    #34
                                                                    My nhl commission at betfair shows up as 5%.Are you counting your discount rate ?
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                                                                    • jjgold
                                                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                                                      • 07-20-05
                                                                      • 388189

                                                                      #35
                                                                      5 Dimes is very good for squares, not a book for guys betting serious money.
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