Are you sharp enough to catch cheating at Poker.

[HotStreak]

Internet poker aside, where cheating is rampant and there is nothing you can do about it.

In live play, both in the casino and home games, cheating has been part of the game forever.

Guys colluding.

Marked cards.

Dealer setting the deck.

Players withholding a card from play to be snuck into their hand when needed.

If you play poker for decent money regularly, the odds are someone is cheating. Do you watch like a hawk, or drink beers and bullshit?

[pavyracer]

Internet poker aside, where cheating is rampant and there is nothing you can do about it.

In live play, both in the casino and home games, cheating has been part of the game forever.

Guys colluding.

Marked cards.

Dealer setting the deck.

Players withholding a card from play to be snuck into their hand when needed.

If you play poker for decent money regularly, the odds are someone is cheating. Do you watch like a hawk, or drink beers and bullshit?

Here is what we do when we play poker:

Make sure all players are drinking during the game. Harder to collude when everyone is drunk.

Use a different deck for every round to avoid marked cards.

Use a different dealer every hand to avoid setting deck.

Always play wearing short sleeve shirts to avoid hiding cards in sleeves.

[Ian]

The casinos do a pretty good job of policing the games, but when I play cards I look closely for marks on the deck. Over 95% of the time card marks are caused by shuffle machines, but I always ask that the card get replaced anyway. Imo, angle shooting is a worse probelm then outright cheating, especially at casinos that tolerate it... Hard Rock in Las Vegas is particularly bad about tolerating angles fwiw.

[Brock Landers]

people get signal happy

[emoney]

Everyone I play with is usually carrying a gun.

Seems to discourage cheating.

[onetrickpony]

nah im way too high most times, i only play with family we dont do shit like that

[Shelton]

i im high all the time

[sweethook]

wow why you play with them ?

[OmgUrMom]

online you can tell if someone is colluding usually and report them to stars, they will review hand history and if determined true are quickly banned.

usually only play in casino and i feel pretty safe in those games

[jjgold]

All I can tell if you place online poker your a sucker

[ryanspeer2001]

I still bullshit quite a bit but I don't drink at the table and if the stakes mean something to me I'm very watchful of foreigners (language wise) or people who are far to friendly that sit near each other.

[BeerDog99]

I generally watch for regulars that are vary familiar with each other. I have found they tend to back off, if a lot of aggression is displayed by other regulars. Therefore, if I am in the right position, I take some of those cues when I am in the pot with them.

[OmgUrMom]

All I can tell if you place online poker your a sucker

if you aren't too good at poker and play online, u will have no shot at winning. (at even mid-stakes) if thats what you meant i agree.

Was playing on cake other day trying to get a heads-up tables and i just joined the site few days ago, already no one will play me, i sit at their table and they sit out i guess they are all waiting for a few retarded whales

[lyc16]

my suggestion: if u dont have a game plan and is just in it to get lucky... get out! (or stay to let the sharks feed on u lol)

[trixtrix]

if you think you're being cheated, you shouldn't play

[captrobey]

Sometimes they put in a program that beats everyone else. You can spot it because whenever you say something to whoever is doing it they never answer you or say random things here and there.

[MRDOG]

Cheats will always be apart of any type of gambling.

[BeerDog99]

Agreed, that is why the honest players need to be aware and share whatever information there is on cheats and things to watch out for.

Cheers.

[ipirate007]

People who gamble have weak morale anyways, so cheating isn't a big deal for them.

[Pokerjoe]

People who gamble have weak morale anyways, so cheating isn't a big deal for them.

Brilliant, Mr. Bunker.



As to cheating: it is so rare in casino poker as to be a dismissable concern. The podunk, pathetic crap you might see at low-stakes games is so lame, done by such idiots, that they pose no problem. And don't be a nit about it: a husband who checks it down with his wife isn't costing you anything.

At higher games, it isn't marked cards and such you need to worry about (some of you may have seen too many bad movies), it's team play. But most of the time, you're wrong. Most of the whining about team play is sore losers who are so bad at the game that their testimony has to be thrown out.

Really good collusion is undetectable. So if you can detect it, it isn't good, they aren't good, they're idiots, and they'll lose more than they can steal.

In fact, really, if you can detect it, it isn't collusion, it's people not betting each other, which isn't the same thing. Those are, by definition, weak players, and you should be happy to have them in the game. Strong players bet their mothers heads up.

This is where it's a problem: good collusion. Collusion undetectable except by appraisal of results. Like the old 80/180 limit game at the Commerce. Were the Vietnamese there ganging up? Undetectable, and irrelevant, actually. The only question anyone should ask themselves of a game is, does it feel beatable? Personally, by instinct, I was never comfortable in that game. In fact I specifically remember thinking, WTF is going on here, these guys are trying to make me comfortable? Trying to make me comfortable? Why the hell would anyone try to make a known local grinder comfortable? That was so suspicious I didn't spend much time in it, LOL.

[scarface2738]

Pavyracer pretty much sets up the games like they should be

[Oldsub]

I was actually shocked to find a thread like this. Cheating or cheaters have been around just along poker has been played. I remember reading about "Billy the Kid." he did his share of cheating.
As for today's electronic poker games, if you pulled some hair out for each cooler that was dump-in, you would not need a hair brush. And it's much easier today. Just place a bot into the game and push some keys on the computer, and the bot is making money like crazy.
I just quit a site that smelled of coolers, an "out of the country" RedKings, boy stay away from this one.
It only takes a little thinking to see why poker always have cheaters following around. Money, and nice money more than working at Ford Motors, one simple cooler and it can make you a winner.
How many times, pocket aces or kings, plenty of betting, flop, always the card for three of kind (ace or king), plus a 7 and 8, turn, nothing to improve your hand, river a 10. You got 3 of a kind, your opponent show you a straight, 6 7 8 9 10. You just rode-off a cooler. You will have to think, "Did I ride-out a cooler or not."

[jbrent95]

I used to play is a hi/lo game where two old men cheated with their card spinners. They would place their spinners in different location depending on whether they had a hi only, low only, or a 2-way hand. These 2 guys seldom won and created a lot of action so we let it go on for several years. It only took about an hour each game to figure out their signals for the night.

[LegitBet]

Brilliant, Mr. Bunker.



As to cheating: it is so rare in casino poker as to be a dismissable concern. The podunk, pathetic crap you might see at low-stakes games is so lame, done by such idiots, that they pose no problem. And don't be a nit about it: a husband who checks it down with his wife isn't costing you anything.

At higher games, it isn't marked cards and such you need to worry about (some of you may have seen too many bad movies), it's team play. But most of the time, you're wrong. Most of the whining about team play is sore losers who are so bad at the game that their testimony has to be thrown out.

Really good collusion is undetectable. So if you can detect it, it isn't good, they aren't good, they're idiots, and they'll lose more than they can steal.

In fact, really, if you can detect it, it isn't collusion, it's people not betting each other, which isn't the same thing. Those are, by definition, weak players, and you should be happy to have them in the game. Strong players bet their mothers heads up.

This is where it's a problem: good collusion. Collusion undetectable except by appraisal of results. Like the old 80/180 limit game at the Commerce. Were the Vietnamese there ganging up? Undetectable, and irrelevant, actually. The only question anyone should ask themselves of a game is, does it feel beatable? Personally, by instinct, I was never comfortable in that game. In fact I specifically remember thinking, WTF is going on here, these guys are trying to make me comfortable? Trying to make me comfortable? Why the hell would anyone try to make a known local grinder comfortable? That was so suspicious I didn't spend much time in it, LOL.

Very Good Job on this post Poker Joe..nicely done

[BigDick]

I use my x-ray glasses to see peoples cards and the cards that's about to be dealt. Nah kidding but I guess if you think someone is cheating they probably not. Cheaters have a way you wont figure they cheating. Like Mike Matosow and Phil Helmuth both said if people are cheating and you bust them then who cares. They said in a article not to complain and play along since they would.

Oh yeah if someone does know of a technology with x-ray glasses to see cards and naked people let me know.

[oiler]

how can u tell

[alling]

best way to avoid collusion is to play heads up

[Patrick McIrish]

Brilliant, Mr. Bunker.



As to cheating: it is so rare in casino poker as to be a dismissable concern. The podunk, pathetic crap you might see at low-stakes games is so lame, done by such idiots, that they pose no problem. And don't be a nit about it: a husband who checks it down with his wife isn't costing you anything.

At higher games, it isn't marked cards and such you need to worry about (some of you may have seen too many bad movies), it's team play. But most of the time, you're wrong. Most of the whining about team play is sore losers who are so bad at the game that their testimony has to be thrown out.

Really good collusion is undetectable. So if you can detect it, it isn't good, they aren't good, they're idiots, and they'll lose more than they can steal.

In fact, really, if you can detect it, it isn't collusion, it's people not betting each other, which isn't the same thing. Those are, by definition, weak players, and you should be happy to have them in the game. Strong players bet their mothers heads up.

This is where it's a problem: good collusion. Collusion undetectable except by appraisal of results. Like the old 80/180 limit game at the Commerce. Were the Vietnamese there ganging up? Undetectable, and irrelevant, actually. The only question anyone should ask themselves of a game is, does it feel beatable? Personally, by instinct, I was never comfortable in that game. In fact I specifically remember thinking, WTF is going on here, these guys are trying to make me comfortable? Trying to make me comfortable? Why the hell would anyone try to make a known local grinder comfortable? That was so suspicious I didn't spend much time in it, LOL.

Excellent post Joe.

[Conan]

Everyone I play with is usually carrying a gun.

Seems to discourage cheating.

If this is true, witch seams unlikely people definitely cheat anyways. When you mix money and chance you get people who are greedy and risk takers and will inevitably get cheaters weather more risk is added by the presence of guns is irreverent. Why do you think there were so many shootouts in the wild west, everyone had a gun but many people cheated anyway often unsuccessfully. Bottom line is, and i think its bean mentioned, is to only play in profitable games if you notice people wining avoid them both in your table selection as well as in play. You will win far more from the guy repeatedly buying in for $60 and going broke than you will from the mega stack with $2000 on the table most of the time. Besides you are ether playing poker for money in witch you are not drinking and paying careful attention to whats going on and you will spot most cheaters quick or you are playing for entertainment and it doesn't matter that much anyway because you weren't really expecting to win in the first place.

[oiler]

people get signal happy

dont think its that easy

[Roy Halladay]

me not sure!?

[konck]

Guy hits the bad beat at the casino I'm a shift manager at....I have to go ok it and watch the tapes.....I see the dealer false shuffle ....then watch the whole thing closely....His wife (the brush) brings in the deck...he skips the wash and false shuffles deals the bad beat out for 87k we dont pay it....call in MSG to cart them off

[ttwarrior1]

what about sitting at a table with orientals and its english only, then next thing you know they are in a hand together and speak a couple words in their language and nobody does anything about it

[BeerDog99]

I ran into this at the commerce when I played there. The dealers were the same nationality and understood what was being said.... It was really irritating.

[Igetp2s]

Best way to avoid online cheating is not to play at all. People will always find a way to cheat online. The odds are always stacked against you if you're playing fairly.