Obama Wants To Be Added To Mount Rushmore

[C-Gold]

Obama never released his high school grades or SAT scores... That's the point.

It's like getting pulled over when you are drunk and avoiding the sobriety tests and breathilizers. Sober people don't do that. The reason why Obama won't release his grades is because they weren't very good. Hence the community college.

If Obama wanted to go to Ivy League college all along, then why didn't get get in? Racist admissions officers?

[P.F.Kasooff]

Obama was barely a 'C' average college level student even with affirmative action credit. Prove to me I'm wrong by showing me his transcripts.

[Hotdiggity11]

Obama never released his high school grades or SAT scores... That's the point.

It's like getting pulled over when you are drunk and avoiding the sobriety tests and breathilizers. Sober people don't do that. The reason why Obama won't release his grades is because they weren't very good. Hence the community college.

If Obama wanted to go to Ivy League college all along, then why didn't get get in? Racist admissions officers?

1. So, your source for Obama's high school grades is non-existent. You lost on that point.


2. Obama was magna *** laude of one of the most prestigious universities in the world. Looks like his grades in college were pretty good.

[Hotdiggity11]

Obama was barely a 'C' average college level student

C students don't get magna *** laude at Harvard University. You lose.

[eidolon]

Hotdiggity: Obama attended Columbia University, and received a BA in Political Science without honors (so below 3.3gpa), yet he was able to get into Harvard Law. The usual GPA is at least 3.75 and 170 on the LSAT. Law schools usually look at GPA more then the LSAT for final decisions. So lets say he Received a 3.25 GPA, he probably would have had to had a 180 on the LSAT which doesn't happen if you are only getting B+ grades in Political Science.

[P.F.Kasooff]

C students don't get magna *** laude at Harvard University. You lose.

Affirmative action possibly? Show me his transcripts or you lose.

[pavyracer]

Obama is twice as smart as the last 3 Republican presidents combined.

[Hotdiggity11]

Affirmative action possibly? Show me his transcripts or you lose.

Uh, affirmative action doesn't apply to grades at Harvard Law. Nice try though. You lose.

[Hotdiggity11]

Obama is twice as smart as the last 3 Republican presidents combined.

George H.W. Bush was pretty intelligent so don't be so quick. Not sure what happened to GWB since JEB is also pretty intelligent.

[P.F.Kasooff]

Like I said up thread. It is amazing what people will believe without proof.

On TV Presidential historian Michael Beschloss claimed Obama's IQ was higher that any recent past President's. He was asked "What is his IQ?" Beschloss stammered a bit and said "I dont know"

[Hotdiggity11]

Like I said up thread. It is amazing what people will believe without proof.

Fact: Obama is recognized as a Magna *** Laude which is direct proof as to what grades you get.


Speculation: Obama didn't get good grades.


Like I said, you have failed so far in this thread.

[saints7011]

I need to start more threads like this...

[C-Gold]

Hotdiggity, the only reason there is speculation he didn't have good grades and test scores is he never released them. Why didn't he release him? We aren't the first people to bring up this issue. The reason why he won't show his scores fairly and honestly is because he has something to hide.

Bush was a B student in college...
Kerry was a C student in college

Bush had an SAT score in the 1300's
Kerry had one in the 1200's

Bush is an avid reader.
Kerry is part of "intelligensia"

You lose

Obama is too pussy to release anything because he has something to hide. Saying "prove it" is like saying the Guy with the DUI wasn't ever drunk because he didn't fail a breathilizer and sobriety tests because he declined to take them.

You lose and you look like a tool. GFUS

[Hotdiggity11]

Hotdiggity, the only reason there is speculation he didn't have good grades and test scores is he never released them. Why didn't he release him? We aren't the first people to bring up this issue. The reason why he won't show his scores fairly and honestly is because he has something to hide.

Bush was a B student in college...
Kerry was a C student in college

Bush had an SAT score in the 1300's
Kerry had one in the 1200's

Bush is an avid reader.
Kerry is part of "intelligensia"

You lose

Obama is too pussy to release anything because he has something to hide. Saying "prove it" is like saying the Guy with the DUI wasn't ever drunk because he didn't fail a breathilizer and sobriety tests because he declined to take them.

You lose and you look like a tool. GFUS

1. Obama doesn't have to release anything. It isn't constitutionally required. On top of that, he is recognized by Harvard as having very strong grades. That is more than I can say for Bush who admitted to not being that great of a student, even flat out stating he was a "C student." Last I checked, being a mid-A student [Obama] is much better than being an admitted C student. The power of deduction is quite nice, your argument would benefit from using it in the future rather than weak speculation.


2. Strange how just a few posts ago, you were complaining about me attacking you when no such attacks existed and yet you are now attacking me as shown in the highlighted. Apparently, you are down to needing to use Argumentum Ad Hominem to save your failed argument. I'll go ahead and take that as a sign that you have lost. Thank you.

[Hotdiggity11]

I need to start more threads like this...

It has been a delightful thread, despite the first post being unfounded.

[Tsonga]

c-gold. you have nothing to say here. its obvious that glenn beck is your pastor with limbaugh as your spiritual advisor. I'm assuming you have another thread somewhere on your birther ideas as well?

[C-Gold]

1. Obama doesn't have to release anything. It isn't constitutionally required

That's the mentality of the left. Control control control. This information would be damning to his reputation so Mr. Transparency won't release the information. It says a lot about his (lack of) character and desire to control.

[C-Gold]

c-gold. you have nothing to say here. its obvious that glenn beck is your pastor with limbaugh as your spiritual advisor. I'm assuming you have another thread somewhere on your birther ideas as well?

Leftists get whooped so they have to attack attack attack and spread fear and hate. You are a sorry human being just like your messiah Owebama.

[Hotdiggity11]

1. Obama doesn't have to release anything. It isn't constitutionally required

That's the mentality of the left. Control control control. This information would be damning to his reputation so Mr. Transparency won't release the information. It says a lot about his (lack of) character and desire to control.

Huh? It's the mentality of the left to not release private information about themselves that isn't constitutionally required?


That darn Constitution is just getting in your way huh?

[C-Gold]

Owebama could end all of the talk about him going to community college but he chooses not to. The only reason is because he didn't earn his way into Ivy league. If he wanted to prove otherwise then just release the grades. He wouldn't want to be showed up by Bush, Kerry etc. and we all know he's not as academically as smart as Bill Clinton already. You won't even cry about that one.

Obama is a fraud. He's a salesman, no more no less. America already turned on the guy and sees him for the liar turd he is. Even you leftists want to block his bill and he's calling you fools out.

[saints7011]

It has been a delightful thread, despite the first post being unfounded.

my neighbor named his dog Obama, I said to the dog, I bet you would like to be added to mount rushmore , the dog barked , I took that as a yes , thought I would share with SBR...

[itchypickle]

Bottom line....if you don't like Bush...you have no credible argument to praise Obama (policy wise...which is how presidents are judged)

Bush's 3rd term:

1. Troops still in Iraq & Afghanistan with MORE deployments scheduled over 1 year out

2. Start more wars - current actions in Yemen and Pakistan

3. Support continuation of past decade's tax brackets

4. Be a divider within the branches of Govt infighting

5. Continue warrantless wiretaps

6. Continue operations at Gitmo

7. Rendition

8. Overuse of executive authority to withhold info from public

9. Record deficit spending

10. Spend a little too much time on vacation

11. Lobbyists in the White House

12. Special favors to friends/special interests

I can keep going, but damn these bullets should be enough for any objective minded person

[DwightShrute]

my neighbor named his dog Obama, I said to the dog, I bet you would like to be added to mount rushmore , the dog barked , I took that as a yes , thought I would share with SBR...

my neighbor also named his dog Obama, I asked the dog, are you the greatest dog ever? he licked his balls and walked away.

[Turd Ferguson]

Bottom line....if you don't like Bush...you have no credible argument to praise Obama (policy wise...which is how presidents are judged)

Bush's 3rd term:

1. Troops still in Iraq & Afghanistan with MORE deployments scheduled over 1 year out

2. Start more wars - current actions in Yemen and Pakistan

3. Support continuation of past decade's tax brackets

4. Be a divider within the branches of Govt infighting

5. Continue warrantless wiretaps

6. Continue operations at Gitmo

7. Rendition

8. Overuse of executive authority to withhold info from public

9. Record deficit spending

10. Spend a little too much time on vacation

11. Lobbyists in the White House

12. Special favors to friends/special interests

I can keep going, but damn these bullets should be enough for any objective minded person

So by making these points and proving that Obama is "Bush lite" then you are conceding that the rhetoric about Marxism and Communism is just shite being thrown at the wall by talk radio and fox entertainment to scare people who want to be scared and boost ratings right?

All it proves is that the gov't is bought and paid for by the banks, weapons manufacturers, and multinational monopolies(example November 2010) regardless if the president is a "radical leftist" or not.

[C-Gold]

my neighbor also named his dog Obama, I asked the dog, are you the greatest dog ever? he licked his balls and walked away.

LMAO Hahahahhaha

I too asked my neighbors dog what he thought of the Obama administration. He ended up taking his healthy morning dump right on a 3rd neighbors lawn. Steaming pile of dung.

[andywend]

1. Source that Obama received worse grades in high school?

Source that Obama received better grades in high school than Bush? Hotdiggity, you ask CGold for a source to back up his claim while at the same time refuse to cite a source to back up your own.

Bush is an admitted "C" student. Obama got Magna *** Laude at Harvard Law. To even imply Bush got better grades than a Magna *** Laude at Harvard is just hilarious.

Admitted is the key word here. Bush released all of his grades and Obama REFUSES to do the same so you implying that Obama got better grades than Bush is what is truly hilarious.

Hotdiggity, since you continue to try and make bogus claims about Obama's grades, provide a link showing the release of Obama's grades to back up what you say.

What a moronic statement. We should be able to nominate the stupidest posts on SBR as well. There are a lot to choose from.

I have never seen a single post from the moron Tsonga discussing what is going on politically in his own country. The vast, vast majority of people like him are critical about the U.S. which means at least we are doing something right.

[Hotdiggity11]

Source that Obama received better grades in high school than Bush? Hotdiggity, you ask CGold for a source to back up his claim while at the same time refuse to cite a source to back up your own.Admitted is the key word here. Bush released all of his grades and Obama REFUSES to do the same so you implying that Obama got better grades than Bush is what is truly hilarious.

Hotdiggity, since you continue to try and make bogus claims about Obama's grades, provide a link showing the release of Obama's grades to back up what you say.I have never seen a single post from the moron Tsonga discussing what is going on politically in his own country. The vast, vast majority of people like him are critical about the U.S. which means at least we are doing something right.

I've already source it numerous times. Obama is a recognized magna *** laude by Harvard University. That requires around a 3.4-3.7 GPA. It required a 3.5 at my university.


3.4-3.7 GPA > C average


Like I said, power of deduction. Next you know, people will me asking me to source that a valedictorian got a higher GPA than the average classman.

[Hotdiggity11]

my neighbor named his dog Obama, I said to the dog, I bet you would like to be added to mount rushmore , the dog barked , I took that as a yes , thought I would share with SBR...

lol.

[Tsonga]

We don't have anywhere near as many problems here so there's not much to talk about Andy.

We are more "socialist" and things are good. Everyone gets healthcare...citizens fought for it, and they are the same groups of people that are fighting to keep the status quo in the US right now.

Canadian banks were regulated so we did not have anywhere near the catastrophe that the US had. In fact, two major Canadian banks are now doing good business in the US.

Explain how you must know you are on the right track if a Canadian sees things different than you?

Trust me, it would bore everyone to tears if we talked about Canadian politics here.

[itchypickle]

So by making these points and proving that Obama is "Bush lite" then you are conceding that the rhetoric about Marxism and Communism is just shite being thrown at the wall by talk radio and fox entertainment to scare people who want to be scared and boost ratings right?

All it proves is that the gov't is bought and paid for by the banks, weapons manufacturers, and multinational monopolies(example November 2010) regardless if the president is a "radical leftist" or not.

What I'm saying is Bush was a Bush raped us, but Obama is raping us with no KY and baby powder on a condom.

Obama is keeping most of the foreign policies in place....maybe not because he agrees with them, but because he doesn't pay enough attention to them to worry if they are there or not. He is, as he has been fro day 1, focused on the healthcare issues and overall govt expansion and the 'social equality' of the nation.
Think of it like this...you buy a house that needs renovation from then previous owner but you got the house because of the huge backyard where you you plan to build this huge pool and bar area for you and your friends...When you walk through it, you notie a room or two is gutted and the kitchen has a little water damage...do you think those areas need to be fixed because they are a long term problem...sure! But right now you're ready to build that pool and party area because a) summer's coming and b) you know your ass is gonna get booted out of the house soon because you're not exactly qualified to be a homeowner...but you did a great job of bullshitting your way in the door

[andywend]

I've already source it numerous times. Obama is a recognized magna *** laude by Harvard University. That requires around a 3.4-3.7 GPA. It required a 3.5 at my university.

This is INCORRECT. Unless you have specific personal knowledge about Obama's grades (and since he refuses to release them publicly, I doubt you do), then your claims about Obama's performance in college are ABSURD.

Introduction
BO’s street creds as an intellectual are based in part on these facts: he graduated from Harvard Law School, magna *** laude; and he was the first black President of the Harvard Law Review. But as you will see, this doesn’t mean he is smart.
The Student Law Review
The Harvard Law Review is a student-run organization, formally independent of the Harvard Law School. Its primary purpose is to publish a journal of legal scholarship. Student editors make all editorial and organizational decisions and, together with a professional business staff of three, carry out day-to-day operations.
http://www.harvardlawreview.org/about.shtml
Here’s how editors are chosen for the Harvard Law Review. Fourteen editors (two from each 1L section) are selected based on a combination of their first-year grades and their competition scores. Twenty editors are selected based solely on their competition scores. The remaining editors are selected on a discretionary basis. Some of these discretionary slots may be used to implement the Review’s affirmative action policy.

http://www.harvardlawreview.org/membership.shtml
According to the NYT, here’s how BO was chosen to head the Review.
Mr. Obama was elected after a meeting of the review’s 80 editors that convened Sunday and lasted until early this morning, a participant said.
Until the 1970’s the editors were picked on the basis of grades, and the president of the Law Review was the student with the highest academic rank. Among these were Elliot L. Richardson, the former Attorney General, and Irwin Griswold, a dean of the Harvard Law School and Solicitor General under Presidents Lyndon B. Johnson and Richard M. Nixon.
That system came under attack in the 1970’s and was replaced by a program in which about half the editors are chosen for their grades and the other half are chosen by fellow students after a special writing competition. The new system, disputed when it began, was meant to help insure that minority students became editors of The Law Review.
The first female editor of the Harvard Law Review was Susan Estrich, in 1977.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...51C0A966958260
According to his campaign, after being elected its President, BO never published anything in the Harvard Law Review.
http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_s...aw-review.aspx
However, recently, Politico unearthed an unsigned and previously unattributed 1990 “case comment” in which BO affirms his support of abortion rights.
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/w...e-his-paygrade
(For a good discussion of the difference between a case comment and an actual Review Article, see
http://beldar.blogs.com/beldarblog/2...-belatedl.html)
Charles Hamilton Houston was the first black editor of the Harvard Law Review in 1920, based on a record of grades that were “mostly A’s and a scattering of B’s.” http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/proj...tonessayF.html
Magna ***?
Just because he graduated from Harvard Law School magna *** laude doesn’t mean BO had a high GPA. It just means that after subtracting the students who graduated summa *** laude, of the remaining students, he graduated in the top 10% of his class. Theoretically, he could have had a C average. http://www.law.harvard.edu/ocs/employers/HLS_Grading_System.htm
And Harvard has a well-documented history of inflating grades.
http://news.google.com/archivesearch?ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&client=firefox-a&q=boston+globe+harvard+inflates+grades &as_ldate=2001&as_hdate

[Tsonga]

For that theory to work out you have to assume that the Harvard grads are horrible students. Who is going to buy that theory?...I could guess who.

My goodness. Never get in to any type of science Andy. This is what you do...You make up your mind. Then you find "evidence" that you like, and you make sure that it fits with your worldview. The link you provided shows how you were grasping at straws, and you did the search " Harvard inflates grades" ,and your reference does not even back up your claim.

You need to find evidence first, then make up your mind. Not the other way around.

[Hotdiggity11]

This is INCORRECT. Unless you have specific personal knowledge about Obama's grades (and since he refuses to release them publicly, I doubt you do), then your claims about Obama's performance in college are ABSURD.

Introduction
BO’s street creds as an intellectual are based in part on these facts: he graduated from Harvard Law School, magna *** laude; and he was the first black President of the Harvard Law Review. But as you will see, this doesn’t mean he is smart.
The Student Law Review
The Harvard Law Review is a student-run organization, formally independent of the Harvard Law School. Its primary purpose is to publish a journal of legal scholarship. Student editors make all editorial and organizational decisions and, together with a professional business staff of three, carry out day-to-day operations.

http://www.harvardlawreview.org/about.shtml

Here’s how editors are chosen for the Harvard Law Review. Fourteen editors (two from each 1L section) are selected based on a combination of their first-year grades and their competition scores. Twenty editors are selected based solely on their competition scores. The remaining editors are selected on a discretionary basis. Some of these discretionary slots may be used to implement the Review’s affirmative action policy.

http://www.harvardlawreview.org/membership.shtml

According to the NYT, here’s how BO was chosen to head the Review.
Mr. Obama was elected after a meeting of the review’s 80 editors that convened Sunday and lasted until early this morning, a participant said.
Until the 1970’s the editors were picked on the basis of grades, and the president of the Law Review was the student with the highest academic rank. Among these were Elliot L. Richardson, the former Attorney General, and Irwin Griswold, a dean of the Harvard Law School and Solicitor General under Presidents Lyndon B. Johnson and Richard M. Nixon.
That system came under attack in the 1970’s and was replaced by a program in which about half the editors are chosen for their grades and the other half are chosen by fellow students after a special writing competition. The new system, disputed when it began, was meant to help insure that minority students became editors of The Law Review.
The first female editor of the Harvard Law Review was Susan Estrich, in 1977.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0CE2DC1631F935A35751C0A966958260

According to his campaign, after being elected its President, BO never published anything in the Harvard Law Review.

http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_stump/archive/2008/06/23/did-obama-write-something-for-the-harvard-law-review.aspx

However, recently, Politico unearthed an unsigned and previously unattributed 1990 “case comment” in which BO affirms his support of abortion rights.

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/when-abortion-wasnt-above-his-paygrade

(For a good discussion of the difference between a case comment and an actual Review Article, see
http://beldar.blogs.com/beldarblog/2...-belatedl.html)
Charles Hamilton Houston was the first black editor of the Harvard Law Review in 1920, based on a record of grades that were “mostly A’s and a scattering of B’s.” http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/proj...tonessayF.html
Magna ***?
Just because he graduated from Harvard Law School magna *** laude doesn’t mean BO had a high GPA. It just means that after subtracting the students who graduated summa *** laude, of the remaining students, he graduated in the top 10% of his class. Theoretically, he could have had a C average. http://www.law.harvard.edu/ocs/employers/HLS_Grading_System.htm
And Harvard has a well-documented history of inflating grades.
http://news.google.com/archivesearch?ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&client=firefox-a&q=boston+globe+harvard+inflates+grades &as_ldate=2001&as_hdate

First of all, find ANY example from any Ivy League university where finishing in the top 10% of your class would be a C average. Good luck finding it. We are talking about Harvard, not some random shit college.


As of 2010, you would need around a 3.7 to obtain such an honor.

http://www.registrar.fas.harvard.edu/fasro/ugrad/honors.jsp?cat=ugrad&subcat=registration

[Hotdiggity11]

For that theory to work out you have to assume that the Harvard grads are horrible students. Who is going to buy that theory?...I could guess who.

I go to the University of Tennessee at Chattanooga. Hardly a prestigious college but not that bad either. You would need about a 3.4 here. Top 10% of the class are the people you will usually see getting consistent As and Bs in all their classes.

[jazz]

Dig up Ronald Reagan he would straighten this out