Help me understand this. Regarding Superbowl

diogee · 02-05-08, 08:42 PM

Most of the pressure that the Giants were putting on Brady was the front 4...Osi and Tuck were tearing the O-line apart which allowed the MLB's to drop back in coverage on a good number of plays.

imgv94 · 02-05-08, 08:43 PM

Originally posted by diogee

Most of the pressure that the Giants were putting on Brady was the front 4...Osi and Tuck were tearing the O-line apart which allowed the MLB's to drop back in coverage on a good number of plays.

I watched the game again, and they brought LBs and sometimes even DBs and Safeties after Brady too.

5 star bomb · 02-05-08, 08:45 PM

pressure was coming from the front 4 on 90% of the plays.... Makes it much easier for the 3 linebackers and 4 db's in pass coverage. Linebackers drop into their zones db's lock down and 2 guys on moss at all times. The key was the front 4 though. I mean Brady didnt have any time to scan the field so the front 4 won the game for NYG

TexansFan · 02-05-08, 08:45 PM

The Giants only rushed 4 or 5 players and were still able to pressure Brady. They rushed Brady from different angles and were able to manhandle the offensive line of NE. It wasn't as if they were blitzing LB's or the secondary to achieve that pressure.

diogee · 02-05-08, 08:45 PM

They did have a number of plays when they brought the "house" to keep Brady on his heels but it was the D-line that kept the pressure on Brady the entire game.

5 star bomb · 02-05-08, 08:47 PM

Originally posted by imgv94

I watched the game again, and they brought LBs and sometimes even DBs and Safeties after Brady too.

The time was the factor. NE couldnt pick up the blitz Brady had no time whatsoever.

SBR Lou · 02-05-08, 08:51 PM

Josh McDaniels also refused to make key adjustments for most of the game. They came out at halftime basically looking the same. There's a report that surfaced saying McDaniels denied Brady's request to alter the snap count at halftime and alter the gameplan, McDaniels was reported to have said "the gameplan is fine, we're not changing anything", and Brady had a shocked look on his face but he didn't protest. It was reported by ESPN so take it with a grain of salt, was citing a team source.

Louisvillekid1 · 02-05-08, 08:52 PM

Very few teams if any have the speed in their front 4 to do what they did. The blitzes were rare, but well timed and effective. Spags had an unbelievable gameplan going in, and the players responded.

imgv94 · 02-05-08, 08:57 PM

Yeah I guess you guys are right they had effective blitzes even when only bringing 4-5 guys. That pretty much explains it. Brady looked so clueless I've never seen him like that.

Best defensive gameplan I've ever seen. Blitzes were coming from different sides.. Brady couldn't read the defenses at all, I know the stats say otherwise but Brady had a bad game. Almost all of his completed passes were safe easy passes.

In the playoffs the Giants defense made Romo,Favre and Brady look very mediocre.

20Four7 · 02-05-08, 09:27 PM

A few plays too they had people step back off the line as to drop into coverage then quickly turn and find a hole and get a free shot at Brady. I know that happened a few times where Brady turned and he had someone barrelling down at his face.

imgv94 · 02-05-08, 09:39 PM

Originally posted by 20Four7

A few plays too they had people step back off the line as to drop into coverage then quickly turn and find a hole and get a free shot at Brady. I know that happened a few times where Brady turned and he had someone barrelling down at his face.

I noticed that too, it was really clever the way they did it. Perfect example was the sack Mitchell did.

pavyracer · 02-05-08, 10:21 PM

Originally posted by imgv94

I'll admit I'm not an expert with defenses schemes so with that being said I'd like to know how the Giants were able to put so much pressure on Tom Brady and simulateously double team Moss and defend the other NE WRs effectively?

I thought when a team brings as much pressure as the Giants delivered that WRs would be more open or at least open enough? On numerous occasions Brady had little time to throw but he had enough to get a pass out there and just took the sack or threw it away.

So I'd like to know how did the Giants bring so much pressure and still effective defend the WRs?

Giants defense and their defensive coordinator is the real MVP IMO.

If you don't believe in video-spying then maybe you can become a believer now. There is great possibility the Giants have stolen the offensive signals of Patriots offense and the NFL turned a blind eye to punish the Patriots after immense pressure from the 72 Dolphins. The NFL did not want this Patriots team to tarnish the image of the game.

imgv94 · 02-05-08, 10:23 PM

I wouldn't doubt it. Giants were a step ahead on every down it seemed.

Poker_Beast · 02-05-08, 10:32 PM

They were Awesome and it was great!

Giants defense should have received MVP.

brock · 02-05-08, 10:48 PM

When the rush was coming like it was you think they would have threw to the backs instead of throwing downfield

The Seer · 02-06-08, 09:50 AM

Originally posted by imgv94

I wouldn't doubt it. Giants were a step ahead on every down it seemed.

They were filming Pats offensive signals.

seaborneq · 02-06-08, 11:39 AM

keeping 6-7 men in coverage is nearly impossible to beat unless you run extremely effectively to get the team out of that coverage. I am not talking about 3-4 yards either, talking major gashing here. Do you remember the Alabama vs UMiami game nearly 20 years ago, that was a dominant front, bookends and all, so the backers and backs can play very aggressive, and when that happens most teams cannot adjust unless they do something drastic, but I don't see what the Pats could have done drastically other that screen pass them to death.

Seattle Slew · 02-06-08, 02:39 PM

McDaniels was terrible in this game. He abandoned the run and didn't make adjustments on pass protection.

This comes back to Belichick's arrogance, hiring some 30-year-old coach for his offense with no NFL experience. Belichick thinking "I can win with any coaches." No, maybe you can't.

Hate to say it, but I'd like to see the Pats consider Brian Billick to run the offense next year.

I also didn't see the Giants blitzing too much. The front four was doing most of the pressure.

Originally posted by crazyl

Josh McDaniels also refused to make key adjustments for most of the game. They came out at halftime basically looking the same. There's a report that surfaced saying McDaniels denied Brady's request to alter the snap count at halftime and alter the gameplan, McDaniels was reported to have said "the gameplan is fine, we're not changing anything", and Brady had a shocked look on his face but he didn't protest. It was reported by ESPN so take it with a grain of salt, was citing a team source.

jackpot269 · 02-07-08, 12:08 AM

The NY D kicked ass!!!!!!!!!!!!

katstale · 02-07-08, 12:21 AM

The other thing you are missing was the beating they put on him from the get go. His arm strength was diminished by the second quarter. Moss had some folks beat, but Brady didn't have the legs/arms left to get it to him.

I give the dude alot of credit for standing in there and taking that jail break mugging. It reminded me of watching Troy Aikman his first year in the league. You wondered how a guy could take that much punishment.

Quebb Diesel · 02-07-08, 12:42 AM

the patriots have avoided the run in pretty much all of their games besides in the playoffs and a few of their last games...buuuut espn told it best...the giants won the majority of one on ones at the line of scrimmage and their safety and nickel overload blitzes were extremely effective (they have been all year). for a pro bowler im actually surprised by how bad matt light got dominated by osi and tuck...if you watch the film youll actually notice how bad the entire left side of the line did their center in particular he made a lot of bad reads on blitz pick up resulting in a lot of hurries and knock downs...

the 2nd half adjustments were terrible too...i am not too sure why they didnt run a lot more draws and screens b/c of the way the giants were overpenetrating for the pass...i only saw one or two 0 or negative yardage screens/draws in the game...the most of them went for 4-8 yards. hats off to spagnuolo for his defensive scheme in this game...the pats o line was clueless the entire game for the most part!

JEMFS · 02-07-08, 01:17 AM

The Pats rarely moved the pocket. Maybe there was something to the ankle problem. The Giants were getting pressure with the front four and the Patiots chose to not keep people back to help block.

Quebb Diesel · 02-07-08, 01:32 AM

the pats o line didnt even show up...i dont think the giants blitzed more than 5 on any particular play. excellent defensive scheme and a o line that left their pads in the locker room