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  • Waz
    SBR Sharp
    • 12-25-08
    • 262

    #1
    Matchbook NFL liquidity
    Why is the liquidity at Matchbook for NFL games so low? This is hands down the best book out there and I can't believe how little there is right now a day before Week 1 opens. I'm sure it will pick up heavily tomorrow morning and all day tomorrow, but kind of pathetic right now.
  • Santo
    SBR MVP
    • 09-08-05
    • 2957

    #2
    People don't want to get caught out on a move when they're sleeping, and more so that a lot of the liquidity seems to come from very few people.
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    • Chuck Sims
      SBR MVP
      • 12-29-05
      • 3072

      #3
      Waz, What offers have you made?

      I made a $1500 offer on Jax m/l a couple of days ago. It was accepted at Jax -125. The line now is Jax -150/Den +149.

      I see a couple of dimes offer on Miami -3 +101...The Greek has Miami -3 -105.

      How many people do we have on the sidelines making zero offers and then coming on here conplaining of no liquidity?
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      • LVHerbie
        SBR Hall of Famer
        • 09-15-05
        • 6344

        #4
        As you pointed out liquidity goes significantly up the day of the games and close to game time... Pretty sure I saw like 15k on the Thursday night NFL game both ways with a 1 cent difference a couple hours before game time...

        Of course if you aren't happy with the amount and spread being offered you can always follow Chuck's advice and make your offers...
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        • Waz
          SBR Sharp
          • 12-25-08
          • 262

          #5
          I make a lot of offers on MB for every sport because you can't beat the price, especially with commissions if they get accepted. I understand about leaving offers open overnight if a move is made, so I sometimes take mine down at night (but usually not). How long is it going take before exchanges take over as the predominant form of sports betting?
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          • Hareeba!
            BARRELED IN @ SBR!
            • 07-01-06
            • 37347

            #6
            Originally posted by Waz
            How long is it going take before exchanges take over as the predominant form of sports betting?
            Take Pinnacle out of the equation and they already have for me.
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            • PRC
              SBR Wise Guy
              • 10-22-09
              • 576

              #7
              This sucks.
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              • LostBankroll
                Restricted User
                • 02-10-10
                • 4538

                #8
                If you guys are betting less than $500 a game then you shouldnt worry about liquidity. So shut the **** up and throw $10 on thee Giants ML.
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                • Mudcat
                  Restricted User
                  • 07-21-05
                  • 9287

                  #9
                  Nature of the beast. It will pick up as gametime approaches.
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                  • Fishhead
                    SBR Aristocracy
                    • 08-11-05
                    • 40179

                    #10
                    WAZ, place a wager.........it will quickly be replaced with more liquidity, perhaps by me.
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                    • KC
                      SBR MVP
                      • 04-12-07
                      • 1613

                      #11
                      There will be 100K out there on major games by noon
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                      • MartinBlank
                        SBR Hall of Famer
                        • 07-20-08
                        • 8382

                        #12
                        It usually comes in late----but that place just drives me insane.
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                        • Chuck Sims
                          SBR MVP
                          • 12-29-05
                          • 3072

                          #13
                          Jax moneyline now -170 !

                          I feel good about my Jax -125 wager. Matchbook is the best!!
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                          • d2bets
                            BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                            • 08-10-05
                            • 39995

                            #14
                            Liquidity decent on some games, but definitely so far does not look quite as strong as in the past.
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                            • 9XL
                              SBR High Roller
                              • 08-21-08
                              • 102

                              #15
                              Great liquidity on tonight's Was/Dal game. $100k+ in offers on both sides close to game time. Nobody can beat the prices, not even Pinnacle. I hope it keeps up...
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                              • Climate
                                SBR Sharp
                                • 01-22-07
                                • 345

                                #16
                                Problem is, who wants to have $10,000 on the market when some professional sports bettor finds out Brady, Manning, or McNabb has twisted his ankle in practice, or 2 starters are going to be out.

                                One pro who's info source beats the wire will take that $10,000 out with one punch of the button, and now you got a bet 30 cents worse than the new market price.

                                You just lost 30 cents on the dollar, more or less, which is about $3000.


                                That's the problem imo.
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                                • Hareeba!
                                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                  • 07-01-06
                                  • 37347

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Climate
                                  Problem is, who wants to have $10,000 on the market when some professional sports bettor finds out Brady, Manning, or McNabb has twisted his ankle in practice, or 2 starters are going to be out.

                                  One pro who's info source beats the wire will take that $10,000 out with one punch of the button, and now you got a bet 30 cents worse than the new market price.

                                  You just lost 30 cents on the dollar, more or less, which is about $3000.


                                  That's the problem imo.
                                  that can happen anywhere
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                                  • LVHerbie
                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                    • 09-15-05
                                    • 6344

                                    #18
                                    I'm assuming he meant if you don't know about the move and someone who does snatches up your offer before you find out... If you are betting through a traditional book (in his hypothetical example) the large money move should drastically shift the line and a smart better is going to try and find out why the drastic move occurred before betting against it...
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                                    • KC
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 04-12-07
                                      • 1613

                                      #19
                                      Ton of money bet on Sunday night football at MB, glad to see them doing well.
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                                      • Odessa
                                        SBR Sharp
                                        • 06-04-07
                                        • 398

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Waz
                                        How long is it going take before exchanges take over as the predominant form of sports betting?
                                        It takes time but it would do a lot of good
                                        if SBR restore proper A+ rating to Matchbook.
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                                        • chunnnn2010
                                          SBR Sharp
                                          • 05-18-10
                                          • 268

                                          #21
                                          NFL on matchbook should have high liquidity whenb the games are about to start..
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                                          • gags
                                            SBR Rookie
                                            • 05-21-10
                                            • 45

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Hareeba!
                                            Take Pinnacle out of the equation and they already have for me.
                                            yeah, 100%..like years ago.
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                                            • jjgold
                                              SBR Aristocracy
                                              • 07-20-05
                                              • 388179

                                              #23
                                              There is decent liquidity on the big tv games, the other games it is ok but not where it should be
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                                              • Fishhead
                                                SBR Aristocracy
                                                • 08-11-05
                                                • 40179

                                                #24
                                                Is it true that GREEK/BETJAM have stopped transfers with MB?
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                                                • gags
                                                  SBR Rookie
                                                  • 05-21-10
                                                  • 45

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Waz
                                                  I make a lot of offers on MB for every sport because you can't beat the price, especially with commissions if they get accepted. I understand about leaving offers open overnight if a move is made, so I sometimes take mine down at night (but usually not). How long is it going take before exchanges take over as the predominant form of sports betting?
                                                  You like betting against professional oddsmakers? That's who's taking your bets on MB..
                                                  My educated guess from watching the lines
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                                                  • d2bets
                                                    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                    • 08-10-05
                                                    • 39995

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by gags
                                                    You like betting against professional oddsmakers? That's who's taking your bets on MB..
                                                    My educated guess from watching the lines
                                                    If you're getting a better number on your play than what you could get elsewhere, then what difference does it make?
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                                                    • Domer
                                                      SBR MVP
                                                      • 01-21-10
                                                      • 1046

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by Waz
                                                      How long is it going take before exchanges take over as the predominant form of sports betting?
                                                      Betfair is a gigantic company, with gigantic profits. I don't know if it takes the majority of bets in the UK but it will happen in fairly short order.

                                                      If you are serious about betting and you aren't using Matchbook, you are basically shooting yourself in the foot and then trying to run a marathon. It's doable.......but incredibly stupid.
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                                                      • Frogger
                                                        SBR Sharp
                                                        • 04-17-10
                                                        • 382

                                                        #28
                                                        Matchbook software is horrible and their juice is confusing on the accepting wagers which is still what 80% of people do.

                                                        Until they fix these two important things, they are never going to have the mass gambler. These are the people that can create a HUGE market. For every one $10k gambler, there are 10,000 different $100 gamblers. You do the math.
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                                                        • Fishhead
                                                          SBR Aristocracy
                                                          • 08-11-05
                                                          • 40179

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by Frogger
                                                          Matchbook software is horrible and their juice is confusing on the accepting wagers which is still what 80% of people do.

                                                          Until they fix these two important things, they are never going to have the mass gambler. These are the people that can create a HUGE market. For every one $10k gambler, there are 10,000 different $100 gamblers. You do the math.

                                                          Disagree.........
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                                                          • Hareeba!
                                                            BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                            • 07-01-06
                                                            • 37347

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by Frogger
                                                            Matchbook software is horrible and their juice is confusing on the accepting wagers which is still what 80% of people do.

                                                            Until they fix these two important things, they are never going to have the mass gambler. These are the people that can create a HUGE market. For every one $10k gambler, there are 10,000 different $100 gamblers. You do the math.
                                                            I would have thought Matchbook is easier to come to grips with than Betfair for a newcomer to exchanges.
                                                            Betfair has a massive number of active customers.
                                                            Surely the Brits and others aren't that much smarter than Yanks?
                                                            I can't figure what's stopping them from using it more.
                                                            Most likely only lack of exposure to the market without the advertising advantage Betfair has?
                                                            And the fact that probably most of Betfair's customers play the horses which is far more popular in Britain than in the US?
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                                                            • Waz
                                                              SBR Sharp
                                                              • 12-25-08
                                                              • 262

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by d2bets
                                                              If you're getting a better number on your play than what you could get elsewhere, then what difference does it make?
                                                              Exactly......they almost always have the best number as long as there is liquidity. Who cares who is on the other side?
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                                                              • Odessa
                                                                SBR Sharp
                                                                • 06-04-07
                                                                • 398

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by jjgold
                                                                There is decent liquidity on the big tv games, the other games it is ok but not where it should be
                                                                Don't you understand that offers gets accepted. Most important that my bets get accepted at the BEST odds and BEST commission and (YES) BEST limit. Period. I don't care where liquidity should be or should not be. I checked Betfair for NFL games and offers are much more lower. If you find a better book than MB, please let me know. Thank you.
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                                                                • Fishhead
                                                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                                                  • 08-11-05
                                                                  • 40179

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by Odessa
                                                                  Don't you understand that offers gets accepted. Most important that my bets get accepted at the BEST odds and BEST commission and (YES) BEST limit. Period. I don't care where liquidity should be or should not be. I checked Betfair for NFL games and offers are much more lower. If you find a better book than MB, please let me know. Thank you.

                                                                  There isn't one even remotely close at this time for U.S. citizens
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                                                                  • Tomahawk
                                                                    SBR Sharp
                                                                    • 04-24-10
                                                                    • 358

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by LVHerbie
                                                                    As you pointed out liquidity goes significantly up the day of the games and close to game time... Pretty sure I saw like 15k on the Thursday night NFL game both ways with a 1 cent difference a couple hours before game time...

                                                                    Of course if you aren't happy with the amount and spread being offered you can always follow Chuck's advice and make your offers...
                                                                    And probably no one will accept your offer.

                                                                    I used to place offers on matchbook and if they aren't accepted half an hour before the game starts, I accept someone elses offer.

                                                                    I always make offers on the day of NFL, couse I don't like when a line movement happen when I'm a sleep.
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                                                                    • Fishhead
                                                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                                                      • 08-11-05
                                                                      • 40179

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Anyone not wagering halftimes at MB is a ...............
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