Rank these 3 players in order....

[5 star bomb]

Rank in order which player you would want on your team.



Player A - 31 hr, 114 rbi, 72 bb, 127 k, 5 sb, .319 avg



Player B - 35 hr, 105 rbi, 45 bb, 61 k, 1 sb, .304 avg



Player C - 27 hr, 109 rbi, 69 bb, 113 k , 19 sb, .306 avg

[rjt721]

Not enough info - OBP? OPS? Age?

[matskralc]

Positions? Ages?

[mofome]

imo, the rbi stat there is meaningless, the numbers are close and who knows how many chances each guy had to knock in runs.



a .319 ave and 72 walks tells me the guy has a good eye, the k rate seems like something you could work with. the sbs, well if hes 5 of 6, he could steal more if he wanted to...i'll take the guy that reaches base the most and has some pop.

player b doesnt walk or stike out much, but if you've only got 1 sb, you're likely slow and hitting into some dps which piss me off even more than ks.

[5 star bomb]

Not enough info - OBP? OPS? Age?

I didnt want to give out too much info so that it would be tough to guess who is who... I will say they all play the same position in the infield.

[Timetopay]

aramis ramirez,david wright,chipper jones

am i close

and the rule i live by is always take the cub

[5 star bomb]

imo, the rbi stat there is meaningless, the numbers are close and who knows how many chances each guy had to knock in runs.



a .319 ave and 72 walks tells me the guy has a good eye, the k rate seems like something you could work with. the sbs, well if hes 5 of 6, he could steal more if he wanted to...i'll take the guy that reaches base the most and has some pop.

player b doesnt walk or stike out much, but if you've only got 1 sb, you're likely slow and hitting into some dps which piss me off even more than ks.

Yeah DP's are the worst but player A only has 5 sb's.... So hes most likely not very fast either. Also more than likely these guys are middle of the order hitters so they wont be running very much anyway.

[mofome]

Yeah DP's are the worst but player A only has 5 sb's.... So hes most likely not very fast either. Also more than likely these guys are middle of the order hitters so they wont be running very much anyway.

if you can steal 5, and you dont get caught much, you could probably steal a few more. most guys that cant run dont even make 5 attempts.

[5 star bomb]

aramis ramirez,david wright,chipper jones

am i close

and the rule i live by is always take the cub

Very close...

A = Cabrera

B = Aramis

C = Wright

MOFO... I dont think Miguel Cabrera will be stealing 15 bags anytime soon lol

[mofome]

Very close...

A = Cabrera

B = Aramis

C = Wright

MOFO... I dont think Miguel Cabrera will be stealing 15 bags anytime soon lol

oh, my answer was the best player. nice. mo knows




why wont he steal 5? hes lost a lot of weight.

[5 star bomb]

oh, my answer was the best player. nice. mo knows




why wont he steal 5? hes lost a lot of weight.

He can steal 5 if he wants.. I just did this to show Aramis belongs in the same breath as these guys. Im not saying hes as good ass Miguel but the #'s dont lie... Aramis much better contact hitter than both also. Doesnt K

[mofome]

He can steal 5 if he wants.. I just did this to show Aramis belongs in the same breath as these guys. Im not saying hes as good ass Miguel but the #'s dont lie... Aramis much better contact hitter than both also. Doesnt K

aram plays in a better park and the worst division in the history of sports. hes a good player, but put miguel in that lineup and his numbers are much better. you've seen miguel hit, in the playoffs, at 20 years old, off a healthy kerry wood, when he was 20.

[matskralc]

Stolen bases are less important than stolen base rate. Anything under 75% success means "stop trying".

Ramirez has only a .336 career OBP. That's OK, but not worldbeating. Wright and Cabrera both have an astounding .388. Both also out-slug Ramirez by a wide margin.

Cabrera's OPS+ is 143, Wright's 138, Ramirez's is...111.

Wright and Cabrera are both coming off their age 24 season. Ramirez is coming off his age 29 season. It's downhill from here for Ramirez while the other two have another 3-5 seasons in which they may actually continue to improve before plateauing and beginning their declines.

As a Pirates fan, I love Ramirez and rue the day Dave Littlefield gave him away. Nonetheless, he has no business being mentioned in the same breath as Wright or Cabrera.

[Thremp]

This exercise is pretty pointless. There is a dearth of pertinent information.

[5 star bomb]

This exercise is pretty pointless. There is a dearth of pertinent information.

Stick around I will teach you more about baseball if you would like. I was simply comparing a couple stats to prove a point that Aramis is an elite 3b. He doesnt get any credit and his defense is very good these days

[mofome]

who doesnt give aram credit? hes my back up 3b most years in fantasy.

[Thremp]

Stick around I will teach you more about baseball if you would like. I was simply comparing a couple stats to prove a point that Aramis is an elite 3b. He doesnt get any credit and his defense is very good these days

Aram's season is significantly worse than the two you mentioned. Chipper, if not injured, would have had by far the best season. His EqA is .021 pts higher than MCab and MCab is .025 points higher than Aram.

This is about the equivalent of Barry Bonds offensively vs Derek Jeter. Per plate appearance they're not on the same planet.


Stick around... Maybe you'll learn WTF you're talking about one day.

[matskralc]

Ramirez has a cannon for an arm, which counts for something, but he's also got the range of...well, a cannon.

[5 star bomb]

Ramirez has a cannon for an arm, which counts for something, but he's also got the range of...well, a cannon.

I would take Aram defensively over Wright and Cabrera for sure. Wright winning the gold glove is one of the biggest jokes ever. Just ask Chipper what he thinks about that. Aramis is actually very good defensively now but still has a rep for being lazy and not a good 3b but its not true

[Thremp]

Ramirez has a cannon for an arm, which counts for something, but he's also got the range of...well, a cannon.

http://www.hardballtimes.com/thtstat...&season_filter[0]=2007&league_filter[0]=All&pos_filter[0]=5&Submit=Submit&orderBy=zone_rating&dir ection=DESC&page=1

It seems the other two do much more poorly in their zones but much better out of it. Pretty much corroborating what you're saying.

Either way, none of these guys are Everett.


Note: Interestingly when I peek at the data from last year. Chipper is by far the most valauble with Miguel having his defense hurt him enough that he is closer to A-Ram than Chipper. If Chipper got as many PAs as the others he'd be head and shoulders better.

[Cee]

Chipper is injured every season. With his lack of durability he's garbage compared to those other guys

[Thremp]

Chipper is injured every season. With his lack of durability he's garbage compared to those other guys

Going forward, this list is just as easy and just as separated. But that isn't what was posted?

Notice how his argument on why A-ram is good also is resting on his defense to hang with the other guys, but his offensive production is all that is posted and is significantly behind the other two.

[5 star bomb]

Going forward, this list is just as easy and just as separated. But that isn't what was posted?

Notice how his argument on why A-ram is good also is resting on his defense to hang with the other guys, but his offensive production is all that is posted and is significantly behind the other two.

Oh so defense doesnt mean anything to you? Stick around cupcake Ill teach you about the game of baseball if you have any more questions just let me know

[imgv94]

I was going to answer

C.
A.
B.

Bad answer?

[matskralc]

The offensive gap between Ramirez and Wright/Cabrera is so large that it'd take a really good defensive 3B to make up the difference. Ramirez is adequate at best.

[5 star bomb]

The offensive gap between Ramirez and Wright/Cabrera is so large that it'd take a really good defensive 3B to make up the difference. Ramirez is adequate at best.

UMMMMMM are you serious? Adequate at best? WOW, you havent seen Aramis play much I take it huh? One of the best hitters in all of baseball

[imgv94]

Was my answer bad 5*?

[matskralc]

UMMMMMM are you serious? Adequate at best? WOW, you havent seen Aramis play much I take it huh? One of the best hitters in all of baseball

Adequate fielder, numbnuts. And if you were paying attention (which you weren't), you saw me say earlier that I watched him play when he came up with the Pirates. Defensive range is something he didn't have much of back then, and it certainly doesn't improve with age.

[5 star bomb]

Was my answer bad 5*?

Not at all Gyno. I could see why you would choose Wright first. He is an all around ball player. there isnt much he cant do.

[5 star bomb]

Adequate fielder, numbnuts. And if you were paying attention (which you weren't), you saw me say earlier that I watched him play when he came up with the Pirates. Defensive range is something he didn't have much of back then, and it certainly doesn't improve with age.

Dude im telling you his fielding has gotten so much better. He was a true gold glover last year. He should have gotten the award in my opinion. Ask anyone that watches a good amount of Cubs games and they will tell you his defense is very good. I can see why you think its not from what you saw when he was in Pitt, he was lazy and didnt work on his defense much but hes a very good fielder now

[Wrigley]

A
C
B

[Louisvillekid1]

of course it would have to depend on the rest of the lineup, but . . .
A
C
B