What's your take on the 18th hole bunker penalty?

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  • Flight
    Restricted User
    • 01-28-09
    • 1979

    #1
    What's your take on the 18th hole bunker penalty?
    Did Dustin Johnson ground his club? Did he deserve a two stroke penalty?
    23
    The 2-stroke penalty was correct and fair.
    0%
    15
    The call was not correct, and I am upset with the outcome.
    0%
    8

    The poll is expired.

  • Soxsfan9
    SBR MVP
    • 11-30-08
    • 3705

    #2
    Bullsh*t, this guy from the PGA is such a douche!
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    • brock
      SBR Hall of Famer
      • 01-07-08
      • 8326

      #3
      Why would they have the gallery standing in a sand trap. They
      should have gave him the option to have the trap raked witch
      would have let him know he was in a bunker. Bull Sh*t
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      • DaColts
        SBR MVP
        • 09-07-07
        • 1185

        #4
        Why do they have all the grass growing in the trap? Why are there people standing in it? I would've gave that PGA official a ear full. He seemed ok with it. Would've really sucked if he made that putt and thought he had won the tournament
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        • eidolon
          SBR Hall of Famer
          • 01-02-08
          • 9531

          #5
          Very frustrating I'm sure.

          I'm just sad at the collapse of Watney on the final day...
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          • Brock Landers
            SBR Aristocracy
            • 06-30-08
            • 45359

            #6
            never even heard of "grounding your club" before today
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            • thezbar
              SBR Hall of Famer
              • 08-29-06
              • 6427

              #7
              Rules are rules. Golf is a "gentlemen's" game. Tough break but I voted fair.
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              • pico
                BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                • 04-05-07
                • 27321

                #8
                wow, first time i heard of two stroke penalty
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                • emoney
                  SBR MVP
                  • 03-12-09
                  • 1481

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Brock Landers
                  never even heard of "grounding your club" before today
                  This is not surprising.

                  Probably doesn't come up much while playing some municipal dog track in Illinois while pounding beers.
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                  • in2thethickofit
                    SBR MVP
                    • 09-26-09
                    • 2622

                    #10
                    wtf is grounding your club anyway...wtf is golf, for that matter? JK
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                    • pico
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                      • 04-05-07
                      • 27321

                      #11
                      GROUNDING (THE CLUB)

                      Pretty much what it sounds like:

                      Allowing the golf club to touch the ball or the ground during address. Almost always used as part of the phrase "grounding the club".

                      When setting up for a swing, many golfers will allow the sole or flange of the clubhead to gently rest upon the ground with arms extended to enable the feet to be situated the proper distance from the ball. Also, you might take a divot during your practice swing. That also constitutes grounding. This is perfectly acceptable on the fairway, in the rough and off the tee.

                      However, when playing a ball within the boundaries of a hazard, such as a sand trap the golfer is not permitted to allow the clubhead to touch the surface during address or any practice swings (Rule 13-4: 2 stroke penalty in medal play, loss of hole in match play). He or she may only strike the ground during the actual swing itself.
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                      • pico
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                        • 04-05-07
                        • 27321

                        #12
                        ADDRESS




                        When a golfer is just about ready to strike the ball, she will have planted her feet at some fixed position relative to the ball. This is the address position and is sometimes referred to as "addressing the ball".

                        Of course, there are other aspects to a golfer's posture at this moment, such as a slight bend of the knees (or in my case, a slight trembling). But address really refers to the final position taken by a golfer just before the swing.
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                        • pico
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                          • 04-05-07
                          • 27321

                          #13
                          Professional Dustin Johnson had a one-stroke lead on the 18th hole of the PGA Championship at Whistling Straights. His tee shot landed in a flat area that had served as a path for spectators. It was sandy. But it did not strike him as being a formal hazard. In addressing the ball, Johnson grounded his club. Bad move. It cost him two strokes plus chance to tie and join the playoff which was won by Martin Kaymer.

                          Said Johnson, "Walking up there, seeing the shot... it never once crossed my mind that I was in a sand trap."
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                          • Salmon Steak
                            SBR MVP
                            • 03-05-10
                            • 2110

                            #14
                            Robbed of a chance for a major victory and a whole lotta money total bunk
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                            • in2thethickofit
                              SBR MVP
                              • 09-26-09
                              • 2622

                              #15
                              Originally posted by pico
                              GROUNDING (THE CLUB)

                              Pretty much what it sounds like:

                              Allowing the golf club to touch the ball or the ground during address. Almost always used as part of the phrase "grounding the club".

                              When setting up for a swing, many golfers will allow the sole or flange of the clubhead to gently rest upon the ground with arms extended to enable the feet to be situated the proper distance from the ball. Also, you might take a divot during your practice swing. That also constitutes grounding. This is perfectly acceptable on the fairway, in the rough and off the tee.

                              However, when playing a ball within the boundaries of a hazard, such as a sand trap the golfer is not permitted to allow the clubhead to touch the surface during address or any practice swings (Rule 13-4: 2 stroke penalty in medal play, loss of hole in match play). He or she may only strike the ground during the actual swing itself.
                              Thank you for this explanation
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                              • Art Vandelay
                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                • 09-11-06
                                • 6693

                                #16
                                Wednesday everyone was told about the rule and it was posted in the locker room. Dustin needed to be more aware of exactly where he was. Tough break but he knew about the rule...
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                                • donnyguru
                                  SBR High Roller
                                  • 10-14-06
                                  • 231

                                  #17
                                  Since they apparently made a point to specifically post the rule about this everywhere, they had to call him on it. That said, unless they plan on making garbage cans and cart paths hazards, the actual rule sucks balls.

                                  \Had Johnson $15/$525. My personal property is glad he missed that par put.
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                                  • mikejamm
                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                    • 08-24-09
                                    • 11052

                                    #18
                                    Total bullshit! People standing all over the place and in the so called sand trap, grass was everywhere, you couldn't even make it out that is was a damn sand trap! He was robbed!
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                                    • SBR_John
                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                      • 07-12-05
                                      • 16471

                                      #19
                                      I blame the caddy... he needs to figure out if his player is in a hazard.
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                                      • Willie Bee
                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                        • 02-14-06
                                        • 15726

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by thezbar
                                        Rules are rules. Golf is a "gentlemen's" game. Tough break but I voted fair.
                                        Ditto. Tough break, but he had every opportunity to ask a marshall for a ruling before he just assumed he knew what he was doing.
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                                        • mtneer1212
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 06-22-08
                                          • 4993

                                          #21
                                          That golf course should have had a windmill on the 18th hole. If fans are standing in it, then how the hell can it be a bunker.
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                                          • wrongturn
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 06-06-06
                                            • 2228

                                            #22
                                            I would look for a better caddie, not that he should be blamed, but still...
                                            Like Johnson said, the only thing worse is if he made the putt on 18th.
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                                            • poker_dummy101
                                              Restricted User
                                              • 11-03-08
                                              • 6395

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by brock
                                              Why would they have the gallery standing in a sand trap. They
                                              should have gave him the option to have the trap raked witch
                                              would have let him know he was in a bunker.
                                              Bull Sh*t
                                              ive seen this on here a few times and just to clarify, it doesnt matter if the bunker has footprints and/or divots from 200 golfers before, at no point would anyone be allowed to rake the bunker when he hit it in there.

                                              technically it is the responsibility of the fans to not step in there, just as it is the responsibility of other players/caddies to rake after they hit it there.
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                                              • bruceBRUCEbruce
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 06-20-09
                                                • 2560

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Brock Landers
                                                never even heard of "grounding your club" before today
                                                Originally posted by emoney
                                                This is not surprising.

                                                Probably doesn't come up much while playing some municipal dog track in Illinois while pounding beers.
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                                                • samhouston
                                                  SBR Rookie
                                                  • 07-19-10
                                                  • 37

                                                  #25
                                                  he and caddie should have known all "local rules" that were given to them.........should have never been a question......they f'd up
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                                                  • pavyracer
                                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                                    • 04-12-07
                                                    • 82847

                                                    #26
                                                    It's Obama's fault.
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                                                    • yisman
                                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                                      • 09-01-08
                                                      • 75682

                                                      #27
                                                      according to the rules, I believe it was fair, but I disagree with the call. People standing all over, footprints everywhere, they actuallly had to clear a tunnel for him to shoot.

                                                      If that's a real bunker, people need to be kept out.
                                                      [quote=jjgold;5683305]I win again like usual
                                                      [/quote]

                                                      [quote=Whippit;7921056]miami won't lose a single eastern conference game through end of season[/quote]
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                                                      • Marigold HD
                                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                                        • 09-03-07
                                                        • 5053

                                                        #28
                                                        That's why I don't watch golf because of these gay rules. Golf sucks. Bring on football hurry please!!!!
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                                                        • ngates815
                                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                                          • 12-01-09
                                                          • 13845

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by yisman
                                                          according to the rules, I believe it was fair, but I disagree with the call. People standing all over, footprints everywhere, they actuallly had to clear a tunnel for him to shoot.

                                                          If that's a real bunker, people need to be kept out.

                                                          Agree with all this.

                                                          As the PGA director or whoever that guy interviewed before the playoff said, it was all stated in the Rules that there would be bunkers outside the ropeline.


                                                          While it sucks, and I feel terrible for the guy, but he's a choker and proved it twice now, he's not made for the big stage. He would of probably thrown up 2 doubles and a bogey in the playoff and been the laughing stock of the PGA.
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                                                          • philswin
                                                            SBR MVP
                                                            • 04-18-07
                                                            • 1279

                                                            #30
                                                            He or his caddie should have checked his ball was on sand. If he would have signed his scorecard without the penalty he would have been disqualified and lost the cash also. Tough break with the gallery standing all around him. Hard to believe both the player and caddie missed that.
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                                                            • mikebell32
                                                              SBR Rookie
                                                              • 07-29-10
                                                              • 41

                                                              #31
                                                              Rules are Rules and unlike all other sports Golf is a Gentleman's Game. Granted that either Dustin's caddy or Dustin himself should have asked a PGA Official who walks with every group if he was in a hazard ?

                                                              He took it like a man and in some way i do think it will help him in the long run. I have played golf for over 50 years and rules are rules and i have had many penalty shots assessed. I cant believe that some of the people who had a few posts did not know of grounding the club.. Time to study people.

                                                              With the Ryder Cup coming soon Dustin will very well and i am going to say this here that he will not lose a match. This guy is real good and will win many tournaments and Majors.. MB32
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