Chevy Volt sells for $41K,costs $81K to built

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  • maersksealand
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    • 09-17-09
    • 1673

    #1
    Chevy Volt sells for $41K,costs $81K to built


    Chevy Volt: The $41,000 Lemon

    By Lonely Conservative
    Would you pay $41,000 for this?

    I think it’s ugly. But that’s not the worst of it. Via DBKP, Edward Niedermeyer rated the car and calls it a lemon. Just another stupid, statist experiment gone wrong.
    For starters, G.M.’s vision turned into a car that costs $41,000 before relevant tax breaks … but after billions of dollars of government loans and grants for the Volt’s development and production. And instead of the sleek coupe of 2007, it looks suspiciously similar to a Toyota Prius. It also requires premium gasoline, seats only four people (the battery runs down the center of the car, preventing a rear bench) and has less head and leg room than the $17,000 Chevrolet Cruze, which is more or less the non-electric version of the Volt.
    In short, the Volt appears to be exactly the kind of green-at-all-costs car that some opponents of the bailout feared the government might order G.M. to build. Unfortunately for this theory, G.M. was already committed to the Volt when it entered bankruptcy. And though President Obama’s task force reported in 2009 that the Volt “will likely be too expensive to be commercially successful in the short term,” it didn’t cancel the project.
    Nor did the government or G.M. decide to sell the Volt at a loss, which, paradoxically, might have been the best hope for making it profitable. Consider the Prius. Back in 1997, Toyota began selling the high-tech, first-of-its-kind car in Japan for about $17,000, even though each model cost $32,000 to build.
    By taking a loss on the first several years of Prius production, Toyota was able to hold its price steady, and then sell the gas-sippers in huge numbers when oil prices soared. Today a Prius costs roughly the same in inflation-adjusted dollars as those 1997 models did, and it has become the best-selling Toyota in the United States after the evergreen Camry and Corolla.
    Instead of following Toyota’s model, G.M. decided to make the Volt more affordable by offering a $350-a-month lease over 36 months. But that offer allows only 12,000 miles per year, or about 33 miles per day. Assuming you charged your Volt every evening, giving you 40 miles of battery power, and wanted to keep below the mileage limit, you would rarely use its expensive range-extending gas engine. No wonder the Volt’s main competition, the Nissan Leaf, forgoes the additional combustion engine — and ends up costing $8,000 less as a result.
    What a fiasco! But of course President Obama was out there touting the Volt as the car of the future. Not my future, I can’t imagine tooling around upstate New York in that thing in the dead of winter. I also can’t imagine paying $41,000 for the equivalent of an economy, compact car. Not that I’m not already paying for other people’s Volts, and the cost of these cars is actually more than $41,000 apiece.
    Doctor Zero crunched the numbers. It’s downright depressing.
    $41,000, of course. The subsidies just mean you don’t pay all of it. The utterly bankrupt federal government takes money from other taxpayers, and uses it to discount your purchase. Since California is teetering on the edge of total collapse, and may well require federal bailouts in the near future, taxpayers across the country could end up paying additional sums to support Volt purchases that happen to occur within the state of California. These transfer payments are mixed into the thickening concrete surrounding the American economy, making it just a few inches deeper.
    But wait, there’s more. Almost four hundred million dollars in federal subsidies were pumped directly into the design and production of the Volt. The initial production run consists of just ten thousand units, with 45,000 more planned for 2012 if sales are good. This would add just over $7200 more in taxpayer subsidies to each Volt produced over the next two years. Since 2012 production will be scaled back if early sales are disappointing, it might be more logical to add the subsidies to the first 10,000 units only, which would leave early adopters outside of California paying $33,500 for a car which actually costs $81,000 per unit, with taxpayers picking up the remainder. It’s actually even worse than that, because GM expects to lose money on every Volt sale. Those losses will be spread among other GM products, or perhaps wiped out with further taxpayer subsidies.
    Read the whole thing, and remember this the next time you hear Obama and his mouthpieces yapping about those who wanted to stop this from happening.
  • pavyracer
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 04-12-07
    • 82849

    #2
    So it's Obama's fault. If he let GM and Chrysler go bankrupt he would have been called a traitor and un-american. Guy can never win.
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    • timbo46
      SBR Sharp
      • 11-30-09
      • 296

      #3
      Impossible situation.
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      • Emily_Haines
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 04-14-09
        • 15917

        #4
        They couldn't let GM and Chrysler go bankrupt because then the taxpayers would be on the hook for all those pensions.
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        • brooks85
          SBR Aristocracy
          • 01-05-09
          • 44709

          #5
          if he would have let them go bankrupt he would have been recognized as a true leader instead of just another puppet.


          President Obama’s task force reported in 2009 that the Volt “will likely be too expensive to be commercially successful in the short term,” it didn’t cancel the project.
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          • katstale
            SBR MVP
            • 02-07-07
            • 3924

            #6
            Bankruptcy was the right call. Would have emerged from bankruptcy leaner and meaner and with renegotiated union contracts ahhhhh there it is "renegotiated union contracts" . he could not allow that considering their influence and money in his election. Politics once again trumped simple economics. His reasoning is very near Guam tipping over and us landing on Mars.
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            • sundin4prez
              SBR MVP
              • 03-09-10
              • 1970

              #7
              waste of time and money. car runs of electricity for only 40miles? what a waste.... on top of that the cars ugly as shit, costs to much to make and to buy..... failure...........
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              • Doug
                SBR Hall of Famer
                • 08-10-05
                • 6324

                #8
                Why buy it at all ? That extra 20k or so would buy gas for the life of most any other better car costing 20k.
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                • Carseller4
                  SBR Posting Legend
                  • 10-22-09
                  • 19627

                  #9
                  Government regulations and whacko enviromentalist are destroying the auto industry.

                  Want to buy a Ford or Chevy heavy duty diesel next year? You are literally going to have to add shit (Urea) to your fuel tank in order for it to run.

                  Dodge doesn't have to add shit to their diesel engines yet. They are safe until 2014, that is when the next round of EPA regulations go into effect.
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                  • Doug
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                    • 08-10-05
                    • 6324

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Carseller4
                    Government regulations and whacko enviromentalist are destroying the auto industry.

                    Want to buy a Ford or Chevy heavy duty diesel next year? You are literally going to have to add shit (Urea) to your fuel tank in order for it to run.

                    Dodge doesn't have to add shit to their diesel engines yet. They are safe until 2014, that is when the next round of EPA regulations go into effect.
                    Piss in the tank of your new F-350 ?

                    Urea serves an important role in the metabolism of nitrogen-containing compounds by animals and is the main nitrogen-containing substance in the urine of mammals.
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                    • Davydave
                      SBR Wise Guy
                      • 07-01-08
                      • 700

                      #11
                      I wonder what it cost GM to build the EV1 back in the 90's.
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                      • ronjon619
                        SBR MVP
                        • 09-06-09
                        • 3675

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Carseller4
                        Government regulations and whacko enviromentalist are destroying the auto industry.

                        Want to buy a Ford or Chevy heavy duty diesel next year? You are literally going to have to add shit (Urea) to your fuel tank in order for it to run.

                        Dodge doesn't have to add shit to their diesel engines yet. They are safe until 2014, that is when the next round of EPA regulations go into effect.
                        you think thats bad......try buying a Class 8 truck now as compared to 6 years ago.
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                        • southie
                          SBR Sharp
                          • 05-25-08
                          • 377

                          #13
                          Sells for 41k, costs 81k to build?

                          Sounds like Pat Venditto math to me.
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                          • maersksealand
                            SBR MVP
                            • 09-17-09
                            • 1673

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Doug
                            Why buy it at all ? That extra 20k or so would buy gas for the life of most any other better car costing 20k.
                            Environmentalists don't think like you...they think they will save the planet by using a less polluting car, the douchebags goal is reduce their carbon footprint by any means, so financing $20k more or less makes no difference for them. Please don't try to explain them that CO2 emissions have zero to do with the inexistent Global Warming or that every year the volcanoes eruptions put out more CO2 then all human activity combined...or explain them that the #1 source of CO2 are the Oceans...they will still be convinced that driving a Prius or Volt and recycling "saves the Planet". Those morons will even be funny if the rest of us will not have to support the consequences of their foolishness.

                            I remember what Yuri Bezmenov said about the demoralization of a country, he said that the citizens become so puckin' dumb and brainwashed that they will be unable to understand the reality despite all the logical and plain facts...just a bunch of sheeple unable of critical thinking.
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                            • Andy117
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                              • 02-07-10
                              • 9511

                              #15
                              Originally posted by brooks85

                              President Obama’s task force reported in 2009 that the Volt “will likely be too expensive to be commercially successful in the short term,” it didn’t cancel the project.
                              What's wrong with thinking long term? Didn't Toyota do the same basic thing with the Prius?
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                              • bruceBRUCEbruce
                                SBR MVP
                                • 06-20-09
                                • 2560

                                #16
                                Originally posted by brooks85
                                if he would have let them go bankrupt he would have been recognized as a true leader instead of just another puppet.
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                                • maersksealand
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 09-17-09
                                  • 1673

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Andy117
                                  What's wrong with thinking long term? Didn't Toyota do the same basic thing with the Prius?

                                  Dude, Toyota is the number one company in Japan and #1 automaker in the world...they made billions of dollars profits so they where able to develop the car. On the other hand Volt was financed by almost half a billion $ taxpayers money, can you understand the difference ? Do you understand that your taxes will increase to support adventures like Volt ?
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                                  • 20Four7
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                                    • 04-08-07
                                    • 6703

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Doug
                                    Why buy it at all ? That extra 20k or so would buy gas for the life of most any other better car costing 20k.
                                    Are you joking? 20K in gas for the life of a vehicle. I spend 12K a year just on gas, never mind oil changes repairs, tires etc. 20K gives me 18 months of gasoline.
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                                    • pavyracer
                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                      • 04-12-07
                                      • 82849

                                      #19
                                      I drive a commuter vehicle to work that has a gas engine and it does 40 mpg. It only cost me 15K. I spent $20 a week for gas and unless the electric vehicle does 200 mpg I will not see any savings with a price tag of 41K.
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                                      • Doug
                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                        • 08-10-05
                                        • 6324

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by 20Four7
                                        Are you joking? 20K in gas for the life of a vehicle. I spend 12K a year just on gas, never mind oil changes repairs, tires etc. 20K gives me 18 months of gasoline.
                                        Take a car of similar size to a Volt, like a Honda Civic. You can probably get one new for 21k

                                        20k left for gas. Gas costs $3 a gallon. You can buy 6,666 gallons of gas. Say 30 MPG, that is 200,000 miles.

                                        Volt doesn't run for free, costs for electricity to charge it and in your extreme case it would be running on gas much of the time ?

                                        Unproven technology too....it could be huge POS. No way should anybody buy this car with the goal of lower operating costs.
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                                        • Doug
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                                          • 08-10-05
                                          • 6324

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by 20Four7
                                          Are you joking? 20K in gas for the life of a vehicle. I spend 12K a year just on gas, never mind oil changes repairs, tires etc. 20K gives me 18 months of gasoline.
                                          What do you drive , a Hummer H1 or something ?

                                          I think Volt also requires oil changes, tires, repairs, etc.
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                                          • maersksealand
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 09-17-09
                                            • 1673

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Doug
                                            Take a car of similar size to a Volt, like a Honda Civic. You can probably get one new for 21k

                                            20k left for gas. Gas costs $3 a gallon. You can buy 6,666 gallons of gas. Say 30 MPG, that is 200,000 miles.

                                            Volt doesn't run for free, costs for electricity to charge it and in your extreme case it would be running on gas much of the time ?

                                            Unproven technology too....it could be huge POS. No way should anybody buy this car with the goal of lower operating costs.
                                            Imagine the cost of Volt after the warranty expire.
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                                            • ronjon619
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 09-06-09
                                              • 3675

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by maersksealand
                                              Imagine the cost of Volt after the warranty expire.
                                              or their batteries. The hybrids all have a very expensive battery. Somewhere over $3000+
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                                              • Doug
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                                                • 08-10-05
                                                • 6324

                                                #24
                                                Assuming I could not sell the car until it had 200,000 miles.....I'd probably take a free Civic over a free Volt.
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                                                • Andy117
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                                                  • 02-07-10
                                                  • 9511

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by maersksealand
                                                  Dude, Toyota is the number one company in Japan and #1 automaker in the world...they made billions of dollars profits so they where able to develop the car. On the other hand Volt was financed by almost half a billion $ taxpayers money, can you understand the difference ? Do you understand that your taxes will increase to support adventures like Volt ?
                                                  Our taxes go to plenty of things I don't support or are unnecessary. If you haven't realized that hybrids/electric vehicles are going to be a major part of our automotive future than you really haven't been paying attention. They're coming whether you like it or not.
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                                                  • Doug
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                                                    • 08-10-05
                                                    • 6324

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Andy117
                                                    Our taxes go to plenty of things I don't support or are unnecessary. If you haven't realized that hybrids/electric vehicles are going to be a major part of our automotive future than you really haven't been paying attention. They're coming whether you like it or not.
                                                    These modern electric cars are not proven, in particular the Volt. I'd wait for Honda to make it right.

                                                    Hybrids are proven now, electric with a 40 mile range doesn't fit many people, screw the Leaf with no backup motor. Do you "leaf" it there when it dies and call a tow truck ?

                                                    How much does it cost to charge the VOLT ?
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                                                    • Doug
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                                                      • 08-10-05
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                                                      #27
                                                      electric cars have been around for over 100 years, BTW !

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                                                      • Brock Landers
                                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                                        • 06-30-08
                                                        • 45359

                                                        #28
                                                        waste of time article pal.
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                                                        • itchypickle
                                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                                          • 11-05-09
                                                          • 21452

                                                          #29
                                                          The whole investment in these little box cars is way out of balance. I've said it before in posts that if they want people to actually use these things...make it a) practical and b) within reasonable price as opposed to the competition. Look at the volt and prius....how many people can, in reality, get by with these. Try fitting a kids car seat along with the bags that go on trips...40 miles?? and back to gas ..lack of places to charge it on longer trips...and lastly...how will this go over with people in the construction industry that this administration is always touting...where does the tool box go? How can they carpool to the sites? How can small business owners haul trailers or inventory? For the 41k...we can get a much better car....or even midsize SUV with the 'Hybrid' and "flexfuel" labels....this is a joke..GM will be write back in the red within 2 years.
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                                                          • itchypickle
                                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                                            • 11-05-09
                                                            • 21452

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by Brock Landers
                                                            waste of time article pal.

                                                            Brock,
                                                            You should mention to your district manager what a steal it would be to lease a fleet of these for you delivery guys! How many homes can you hit on a 40 miles stint??
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                                                            • Manaconda
                                                              SBR Wise Guy
                                                              • 03-22-10
                                                              • 818

                                                              #31
                                                              just another peice of shit GM vehicle..
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                                                              • Extra Innings
                                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                                • 02-26-10
                                                                • 15058

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by Emily_Haines
                                                                They couldn't let GM and Chrysler go bankrupt because then the taxpayers would be on the hook for all those pensions.
                                                                absolutely not
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                                                                • itchypickle
                                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                                  • 11-05-09
                                                                  • 21452

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Unions were the downfall of the auto industry....bottom line
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                                                                  • Extra Innings
                                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                                    • 02-26-10
                                                                    • 15058

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by itchypickle
                                                                    Unions were the downfall of the auto industry....bottom line
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                                                                    • pavyracer
                                                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                                                      • 04-12-07
                                                                      • 82849

                                                                      #35
                                                                      GM and Chrysler are american icons. They would never let them disappear. Same as Coca Cola and Pepsi. If these two ever get in trouble they will bail them out. It's not as simple as letting the small guy go bankrupt. There are some brand names that are the face of America in the world and have to be defended at all cost.
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