Ontario set to bet on legalized online gambling

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  • betplom
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 09-20-06
    • 13444

    #1
    Ontario set to bet on legalized online gambling


    Ontario is poised to roll the dice on Internet gambling as British Columbia, the United States and other jurisdictions clear the decks for legalized online gaming.

    “At this point it’s something we can’t ignore,” a government official told the Star Friday. “It’s something that we’re exploring.”

    While it’s not clear how soon Ontarians could be playing Texas Hold ‘Em poker, roulette or baccarat on their computer keyboards through a provincially run website, the government is clearly warming to the idea. Some experts estimate online gambling is growing at a rate of 20 per cent annually.

    The policy signal comes just months after Ontario Lottery and Gaming Corporation chairman Paul Godfrey, on his first day on the job in February, said it’s time the province took a look at online gambling.
    “Money is going out of this province to other provinces as well as offshore sites,” warned Godfrey, who was brought in by Premier Dalton McGuinty’s government to put the scandal-plagued lottery corporation on a solid footing.

    At the time, Finance Minister Dwight Duncan said it was too early to say whether Internet gambling was in the cards for Ontario – which is fighting a $19.7-billion deficit this year as the Liberal government approaches a re-election fight in October 2011.

    But the tide on Internet gambling appears to be turning around the world, with governments softening their views on outright bans in favour of regulating and profiting from gambling that is already taking place under their noses.

    British Columbia, for example, estimated in July that its residents are spending $100 million a year on offshore gambling websites. B.C. became the first province or state in North America to offer legalized online casino gambling. The proceeds from its site www.playnow.com, which launched last month, go to services like health care and education.

    Quebec and the Atlantic provinces have also expressed interest in following suit.
    “We’re noticing it is happening and it’s slowly turning our heads,” the government official added Friday, noting the developmental work is up to Crown-owned Ontario Lottery and Gaming.
    OLG took in $1.9 billion last year—an important source of revenue for the cash-strapped government—but has been losing market share to offshore betting sites.

    The lottery corporation deferred to its political masters when contacted Friday, saying it has nothing more to say than Godfrey’s pronouncement in February.
    “We are always exploring new and innovative business lines, including Internet gaming,” a spokesman said.
    “Like all gaming jurisdictions in Canada, we are closely watching what is happening in B.C., and elsewhere in Canada, for that matter.”

    But any moves to legalize online gaming will have to overcome concerns from groups concerned about problem gambling, given that many believe Internet betting is more fraught with peril for addicts than going to a casino.
    That’s because of the high speed and instant gratification from online gambling, which can be done at home with a high level of privacy.

    The U.S., a huge market estimated at $5.4 billion last year, is on the cusp of ending a four-year ban on Internet gambling—an industry estimated at $20 billion worldwide.
    The fact is that in jurisdictions where Internet gambling is illegal, millions of people go to gaming websites domiciled in other countries.

    That means cash is leaving jurisdictions such as Ontario and the U.S. while governments have no control over the gambling web sites. That has prompted some advocates to argue it’s better to gain control—and scoop up more revenue—by legalizing the activity and getting a piece of the action.
    As the law now stands in Canada, the federal criminal code would allow internet gaming only if operated by a province or its delegate, such as OLG.

    McGuinty has long said that “in a perfect world” Ontario would not have to rely on gambling revenue at all and has acknowledged the government needs the cash.
    His most recent comments on online gaming came late last month when he told reporters: “I know B.C.’s gone there; Quebec’s gone there. And I’ll wait for the advice of the Minister of Finance on that.”

    A Liberal source said Internet gambling could be structured to drive business to OLG’s struggling casinos by awarding credits to players for use in casinos, along with the lottery corporation’s hotels and restaurants.
  • rfr3sh
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 11-07-09
    • 10229

    #2
    will probably have shitty odds if it is run by the govt ... look at proline

    but you know your money will be secure...
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    • betplom
      SBR Posting Legend
      • 09-20-06
      • 13444

      #3
      Originally posted by rfr3sh
      will probably have shitty odds if it is run by the govt ... look at proline

      but you know your money will be secure...
      I think the main point here is that it could become legal, and eventually be like in the UK where there are shops all over the place.

      They will have to improve to be like a sportsbook or gamblers will continue to just bet offshore.
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      • rfr3sh
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 11-07-09
        • 10229

        #4
        Originally posted by betplom
        I think the main point here is that it could become legal, and eventually be like in the UK where there are shops all over the place.

        They will have to improve to be like a sportsbook or gamblers will continue to just bet offshore.
        it would be a nice start , Id definately look to open a shop
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        • sickler
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 06-05-08
          • 15006

          #5
          Get ready for 40 cent lines.....30 cents if we're extremely lucky.
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          • mathdotcom
            SBR Posting Legend
            • 03-24-08
            • 11689

            #6
            Originally posted by betplom
            http://www.thestar.com/news/ontario/...-gambling?bn=1


            British Columbia, for example, estimated in July that its residents are spending $100 million a year on offshore gambling websites. B.C. became the first province or state in North America to offer legalized online casino gambling. The proceeds from its site www.playnow.com, which launched last month, go to services like health care and education.
            playnow.com, which has been down for over a week now.
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            • k13
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 07-16-10
              • 18104

              #7
              We'll see how this works out. You can always trust the government......

              Pro Line was cool before Al gore invented the internet. Got me started to gamble at 16. lol
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              • Davydave
                SBR Wise Guy
                • 07-01-08
                • 700

                #8
                Originally posted by sickler
                Get ready for 40 cent lines.....30 cents if we're extremely lucky.
                Exactly, I doubt that we'll get anywhere close to the odds that we need in order to give up our offshore accounts.
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                • mathdotcom
                  SBR Posting Legend
                  • 03-24-08
                  • 11689

                  #9
                  Juice usually means difficulty finding good lines

                  But you have to also remember the government is a square lines setter. Even with 100 cents juice they will fukk up lines.
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                  • SaviorTebow
                    SBR High Roller
                    • 07-20-10
                    • 219

                    #10
                    Despite the shitty odds, I will always have a soft spot for Pro Line in my heart.
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                    • mrmarket
                      SBR MVP
                      • 01-26-10
                      • 4953

                      #11
                      As long as offshore sites remain available I can only see it as a positive.
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                      • ToNyyy
                        SBR MVP
                        • 07-21-10
                        • 1009

                        #12
                        Damn. Going to travel up north now.
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                        • Al Masters
                          SBR Hall of Famer
                          • 04-29-06
                          • 6940

                          #13
                          Originally posted by SaviorTebow
                          Despite the shitty odds, I will always have a soft spot for Pro Line in my heart.
                          Its guys like you who the Ontario Govt is counting on.

                          This guys got a soft spot for a betting into terrible lines and and an unbeatable game.

                          You cant make this shit up.
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                          • jjgold
                            SBR Aristocracy
                            • 07-20-05
                            • 388179

                            #14
                            Offshore will always be number 1

                            Legal places will never compete with them because they will never ever be like offshore places and run horrible
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                            • maersksealand
                              SBR MVP
                              • 09-17-09
                              • 1673

                              #15
                              US also moving in that direction



                              "(...)Sponsored by Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.) — chairman of the House Financial Services Committee — HR 2267 is a bill designed to establish federal oversight of an online gambling industry that currently resides in murky legal waters for U.S. players. It passed overwhelmingly 41-22 via committee vote last week, advancing the legislation to the House floor, where it hopefully will be voted on before the end of the 2010 session. If it gets that far, it will be the deepest penetration of online gaming law at the federal level in history.
                              “The good news is this is significant progress,” said Michael Waxman of the Safe and Secure Internet Gambling Initiative. “Last week's vote showed the bi-partisan support is there.”
                              HR 2267 has the potential to open an enormous revenue stream in an era where cash is badly needed at all levels of government.
                              One analysis completed by the Congressional Joint Committee of Taxations concluded that regulated online gambling could generate $42 billion in revenue over the first 10 years of HR 2267 implementation at the federal level.
                              At the state level, a 6 percent deposit fee could generate an additional $30 billion(...)"
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                              • SaviorTebow
                                SBR High Roller
                                • 07-20-10
                                • 219

                                #16
                                Originally posted by Al Masters
                                Its guys like you who the Ontario Govt is counting on.

                                This guys got a soft spot for a betting into terrible lines and and an unbeatable game.

                                You cant make this shit up.
                                Hey asshole, did I say I try to make a living betting pro-line? Didn't think so. My first ever "real" sports wager was with them when I was 19 years old. You always remember those moments. And I also like to put $20 on an insane parlay every once in a while when I visit Casino Niagara. It's all in good fun. If I end up hitting a $400 parlay payout, great. If not, oh well who cares. Yep, the OLG is really cleaning me out.
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                                • jjgold
                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                  • 07-20-05
                                  • 388179

                                  #17
                                  Any legal usa book will be so generic and high juice all the sukers will play there

                                  They will never have betting options of the worst offshore sportsbook
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                                  • Al Masters
                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                    • 04-29-06
                                    • 6940

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by SaviorTebow
                                    Hey asshole, did I say I try to make a living betting pro-line? Didn't think so. My first ever "real" sports wager was with them when I was 19 years old. You always remember those moments. And I also like to put $20 on an insane parlay every once in a while when I visit Casino Niagara. It's all in good fun. If I end up hitting a $400 parlay payout, great. If not, oh well who cares. Yep, the OLG is really cleaning me out.

                                    Hi,

                                    Hope you dont get bitter with me again,just some SBR poster to poster advice, next time you head out to Casino Niagra make that same $20 parlay at Pinny,BetJam ,the Greek or Parlaymakers before leaving your house....depending on the parlay it will probably pay in between $1000-$2000 instead of $400.

                                    I never said they were cleaning you out,just that any bet made there is a bad bet..win or lose.

                                    Hope you`ve smartened up since being 19 years old,next time you head to Casino Niagra play some 1-2 holdem, dont give thtat OLG proline any action,their a real whore of an organiation.
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                                    • sickler
                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                      • 06-05-08
                                      • 15006

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by mathdotcom
                                      Juice usually means difficulty finding good lines

                                      But you have to also remember the government is a square lines setter. Even with 100 cents juice they will fukk up lines.
                                      They won't fuk up much if they allow betting on single games. Count on them to hire top-notch people, unlike the clowns they have running proline.
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                                      • mathdotcom
                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                        • 03-24-08
                                        • 11689

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by sickler
                                        They won't fuk up much if they allow betting on single games. Count on them to hire top-notch people, unlike the clowns they have running proline.
                                        I will count on the exact opposite
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                                        • sickler
                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                          • 06-05-08
                                          • 15006

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by mathdotcom
                                          I will count on the exact opposite
                                          They have too much to lose throwing out bad lines on single game wagering.

                                          With those proline parlays, you still have to pick two other winners with the one off number.
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