Some people need to learn about "offshore etiquette"

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  • mathdotcom
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    • 03-24-08
    • 11689

    #1
    Some people need to learn about "offshore etiquette"
    I am talking about complaints regarding books that, while the bettor is usually right, he can sometimes easily avoid issues if he was smarter.

    Example 1: Bettor bets $10 on a 50-team parlay and hits it. Book owes the bettor $50 million. Of course book doesn't pay.

    The rules of the book may not say anything about max payouts, or max number of plays you can put on a parlay, so the bettor is entitled to his money. If the book wanted to limit this sort of parlay they should have it built into their software. The bettor is 100% right. But this is the offshore world, and the customer is not always right. If you want to bet a parlay like that, break it up among different books, or bet less or make it a smaller parlay. [Or better yet stop betting parlays at all...]

    Example 2: Correlated parlays. This is a trickier one. Again the player is right that if the software let's him bet the parlay, then it should be fair game. But players should know by now to at least be aware of the risk. It may still be worth betting the parlay but don't be surprised when you run into problems.

    Example 3: Off lines. Exactly the same as example 2. If you think you can get away with it, great, but don't be surprised if you get the Cubs at +1200 instead of +120 they either take a free shot at you, or close your account, etc. Again, if the book offers the line it should be fair game, but that's just not how it works.

    Example 4: Hitting max bets at skins of the same book. Again there is a risk/reward situation and again the player is usually right since the rules don't usually say anything about this. I've done it many times before because I felt it was worth it, but you should be aware that you might get an unfortunate e-mail a few hours later.

    So the lesson is, if a book screws with you, you should do your best to raise hell to try and get paid, but acknowledge you took a chance.

    Remember: Honesty is unknown in this business.
  • statnerds
    SBR MVP
    • 09-23-09
    • 4047

    #2
    i called Bookmaker once to tell them they posted a bad line. fixed in about 10 seconds.

    i didn't get a reward or a finder's fee though
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    • tanner40
      SBR MVP
      • 03-24-10
      • 2129

      #3
      I once hit a prop bet on BetEd +1200 that was supposed to be +120. Only threw 20 on it but it hit. Waited for them to cancel and they didn't. Withdrew and they paid.
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      • KingKolzig
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        • 02-02-10
        • 5550

        #4
        math can you give an example of the skin thing, number 4?
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        • Goat Milk
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          • 03-24-10
          • 25850

          #5
          That's why you place big bets through locals. Because you know where they live if they try and fukk around
          Cause Sleep is the Cousin of Death
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          • shari91
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            • 02-23-10
            • 32661

            #6
            I think the only time I would come on the board to complain about anything would be if I were having trouble getting a standard payout. Other than that, it's buyer beware especially for those who are living in a country where it's illegal to be transferring funds to these books in the first place.

            I did take a shot at a book a little over a month ago when they left the lines open on a tennis match well into the first set. I bet the first set correct score and winner for a large amount and was paid on it, and I still feel a little guilty about it. No more taking shots for me.
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            • mathdotcom
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              • 03-24-08
              • 11689

              #7
              Originally posted by KingKolzig
              math can you give an example of the skin thing, number 4?
              For example making max bets at both CRIS and Bookmaker, BetJamaica and Greek, SBG and BetRoyal, etc.
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              • ZetaPsi808
                SBR Posting Legend
                • 09-18-08
                • 12119

                #8
                mathy, very informative thread pal
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                • mrmarket
                  SBR MVP
                  • 01-26-10
                  • 4953

                  #9
                  Should also reference tarot cards as primary factor in decision making process if confronted by book.
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                  • CarpeDime
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                    • 09-01-09
                    • 7873

                    #10
                    Originally posted by mathdotcom



                    Example 2: Correlated parlays. This is a trickier one. Again the player is right that if the software let's him bet the parlay, then it should be fair game. But players should know by now to at least be aware of the risk. It may still be worth betting the parlay but don't be surprised when you run into problems.
                    at this point, all books know what a fukin correlated parlay is

                    it's the easiest thing in the world to not allow 2 bets in a parlay from the same game

                    any books that allow it and then use it later to fuk with you were free-rolling you, plain and simple
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                    • JohnGalt2341
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                      • 12-31-09
                      • 9138

                      #11
                      I'm sure I could probably figure this out myself if I spent a few minutes with a calculator but I'm too lazy to do it right now... Question is... what are the odds of hitting a 50 team parlay assuming all of your picks are coin flips? Also, compared to winning a HUGE lottery... do you have a better chance of hitting a 50 team parlay?
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                      • mrmarket
                        SBR MVP
                        • 01-26-10
                        • 4953

                        #12
                        Originally posted by JohnGalt2341
                        I'm sure I could probably figure this out myself if I spent a few minutes with a calculator but I'm too lazy to do it right now... Question is... what are the odds of hitting a 50 team parlay assuming all of your picks are coin flips? Also, compared to winning a HUGE lottery... do you have a better chance of hitting a 50 team parlay?
                        The odds are 50-50. You either win or you lose.
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                        • mtneer1212
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                          • 06-22-08
                          • 4993

                          #13
                          Good advice mathy.....
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                          • HauntingTheHoly
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                            • 04-28-10
                            • 1397

                            #14
                            Originally posted by JohnGalt2341
                            I'm sure I could probably figure this out myself if I spent a few minutes with a calculator but I'm too lazy to do it right now... Question is... what are the odds of hitting a 50 team parlay assuming all of your picks are coin flips? Also, compared to winning a HUGE lottery... do you have a better chance of hitting a 50 team parlay?
                            Without screwing with the math, you have a MUCH, MUCH better chance of hitting the lottery. The 50 team (50/50 lines) parlay will never happen in a zillion years.
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                            • HauntingTheHoly
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                              • 04-28-10
                              • 1397

                              #15
                              Originally posted by HauntingTheHoly
                              Without screwing with the math, you have a MUCH, MUCH better chance of hitting the lottery. The 50 team (50/50 lines) parlay will never happen in a zillion years.
                              1 in 8.88 x 10^16.

                              Better chance than my intuition told me, in fact.
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                              • mathdotcom
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 03-24-08
                                • 11689

                                #16
                                Originally posted by JohnGalt2341
                                I'm sure I could probably figure this out myself if I spent a few minutes with a calculator but I'm too lazy to do it right now... Question is... what are the odds of hitting a 50 team parlay assuming all of your picks are coin flips? Also, compared to winning a HUGE lottery... do you have a better chance of hitting a 50 team parlay?
                                I was exaggerating the 50-team parlay, but the point is that the payout would probably bankrupt the book so even if you're lucky enough to hit it, you won't get paid.

                                The answer is 0.000000000000008%.
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                                • JohnGalt2341
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                                  • 12-31-09
                                  • 9138

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by HauntingTheHoly
                                  Without screwing with the math, you have a MUCH, MUCH better chance of hitting the lottery. The 50 team (50/50 lines) parlay will never happen in a zillion years.
                                  You are correct. However, according to my math you have a better chance of hitting a 27 Team parlay than you do of hitting the Mega Millions. Mega Millions odds being 175,711,536 to 1 vs a 27 Team Parlay 134,217,728 to 1. Assuming all the lines were -110 and a Book would actually accept and payout a 27 Team Parlay, what would the payout be?
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                                  • 20Four7
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                                    • 04-08-07
                                    • 6703

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by JohnGalt2341
                                    I'm sure I could probably figure this out myself if I spent a few minutes with a calculator but I'm too lazy to do it right now... Question is... what are the odds of hitting a 50 team parlay assuming all of your picks are coin flips? Also, compared to winning a HUGE lottery... do you have a better chance of hitting a 50 team parlay?
                                    Are they all -110 plays or different moneylines etc. Assuming it's -110 spreads you can say you may as well play the lotto. The real odds of winning a 10 teamer all at -110 is about +100 000. So you know the 50 teamer is way up there.
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                                    • DiggityDaggityDo
                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                      • 11-30-08
                                      • 81450

                                      #19
                                      Too much to read. Anybody got the cliff notes?
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                                      • Grandmaster B
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                                        • 09-05-09
                                        • 6035

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by shari91
                                        I think the only time I would come on the board to complain about anything would be if I were having trouble getting a standard payout. Other than that, it's buyer beware especially for those who are living in a country where it's illegal to be transferring funds to these books in the first place.

                                        I did take a shot at a book a little over a month ago when they left the lines open on a tennis match well into the first set. I bet the first set correct score and winner for a large amount and was paid on it, and I still feel a little guilty about it. No more taking shots for me.
                                        you had the nerve to lecture Brock on ethics but yet what you did is nothing short of being a thief

                                        pot meet kettle?
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                                        • shari91
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                                          • 02-23-10
                                          • 32661

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Grandmaster B
                                          you had the nerve to lecture Brock on ethics but yet what you did is nothing short of being a thief pot meet kettle?
                                          Are you being serious? Taking money from a bank and potentially costing someone their job and betting on a line that a book forgot to close in time are slightly two different things. And if you read my damn post, you'd see I said I am the last person to judge him or anyone on this forum for anything. It's not my place to, nor do I care enough about strangers on the Internet to do it.

                                          Maybe you should listen to Willie Bee and quit your trolling for 5 seconds and find something more useful to do with your time. Just a suggestion because your schtick is way past its used-by date.
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                                          • JohnGalt2341
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                                            • 12-31-09
                                            • 9138

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by johngalt2341
                                            you are correct. However, according to my math you have a better chance of hitting a 27 team parlay than you do of hitting the mega millions. Mega millions odds being 175,711,536 to 1 vs a 27 team parlay 134,217,728 to 1. Assuming all the lines were -110 and a book would actually accept and payout a 27 team parlay, what would the payout be?
                                            $61,069,066.24?
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                                            • Grandmaster B
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                                              • 09-05-09
                                              • 6035

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by shari91
                                              Are you being serious? Taking money from a bank and potentially costing someone their job and betting on a line that a book forgot to close in time are slightly two different things. And if you read my damn post, you'd see I said I am the last person to judge him or anyone on this forum for anything. It's not my place to, nor do I care enough about strangers on the Internet to do it.

                                              Maybe you should listen to Willie Bee and quit your trolling for 5 seconds and find something more useful to do with your time. Just a suggestion because your schtick is way past its used-by date.
                                              you took a shot...you knew exactly what you were doing

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                                              • shari91
                                                BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                • 02-23-10
                                                • 32661

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Grandmaster B
                                                you took a shot...you knew exactly what you were doing
                                                When did I say I didn't?

                                                I said that what I did and what he did are 2 different things. I'm not proud of my actions and stated so in my original post in this thread. However I also did nothing that would put anyone in jeopardy of losing their job. If anything, I put myself at risk for having my account closed.

                                                I appreciate your stalking me from thread to thread but I kindly ask that you at least try to come up with something relevant to the discussion. The conversation in here was somewhat serious and insightful and I'm sure your trolling would be best appreciated elsewhere.
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                                                • mathdotcom
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                                                  • 03-24-08
                                                  • 11689

                                                  #25
                                                  don't argue with shari, she has stamina like no one else on sbr and like all women will never give you the last word
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                                                  • Grandmaster B
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                                                    • 09-05-09
                                                    • 6035

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by shari91
                                                    When did I say I didn't?

                                                    I said that what I did and what he did are 2 different things. I'm not proud of my actions and stated so in my original post in this thread. However I also did nothing that would put anyone in jeopardy of losing their job. If anything, I put myself at risk for having my account closed.

                                                    I appreciate your stalking me from thread to thread but I kindly ask that you at least try to come up with something relevant to the discussion. The conversation in here was somewhat serious and insightful and I'm sure your trolling would be best appreciated elsewhere.
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                                                    • shari91
                                                      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                      • 02-23-10
                                                      • 32661

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by mathdotcom
                                                      don't argue with shari, she has stamina like no one else on sbr and like all women will never give you the last word
                                                      Nah, I've become smarter than that nowadays. I just put people on ignore. Unfortunately Granny B went back on his word for the 9th time and returned to the forum after saying he was leaving for good so he slipped through my radar. Not anymore though.

                                                      Sadly, I can't do the same for you because I actually find things you say interesting and/or useful from time to time so I have to take the good with the bad. I guess it all evens out in the end.
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                                                      • Grandmaster B
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                                                        • 09-05-09
                                                        • 6035

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by mathdotcom
                                                        don't argue with shari, she has stamina like no one else on sbr and like all women will never give you the last word
                                                        Im not arguing with her...its just entertaining to see someone change up when just a week earlier shari and her trolling buddy nina were scrutinizing brock (at various forums like they had nothing better to talk about ) on how bad of a person he was

                                                        but sharis troll mind comes up with some weird reason to justify taking a shot at a book and STEALING their money




                                                        p.s. look to have you ass kissed mathy by shari in this thread
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                                                        • brumbies
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                                                          • 02-21-09
                                                          • 1494

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by mathdotcom
                                                          Example 4: Hitting max bets at skins of the same book.
                                                          What do you mean by at skins?
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                                                          • rm18
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                                                            • 09-20-05
                                                            • 22291

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by brumbies
                                                            What do you mean by at skins?
                                                            books that have same ownership and lines. Like I bet an off first half MLB line at you wager and betpop line was supposed to be 6 and it was 5 with them , I bet for $500 each. It went over they paid but I was only allowed to play at betpop and was ineligible for bonuses.
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