perfect ATS - ever happen?

[hhsilver]

I think Kansas is perfect ATS, even with several lines in the mid 20s. I believe they will end that way and that might be the first time this ever happened.
I asked once before within a thread on another topic. If I got a reply, I missed it and the thread is long gone. So I'll ask again.

Has a college or pro football team ever been perfect ATS for the season? I doubt that it ever happened, but I'll let some of you veterans of the gambling wars let me know.
If they do it, it would be an amazing accomplishment.

[chano]

New England can possibly do this. Only game that is in question is the Indy game, depends on what line you are using. Opening or closing.

[slacker00]

New England can possibly do this. Only game that is in question is the Indy game, depends on what line you are using. Opening or closing.

For these types of arguments, typically closing lines are used. Opening lines can be erratic and unavailable widely.

[biggamer3]

New England can possibly do this. Only game that is in question is the Indy game, depends on what line you are using. Opening or closing.

Pats beat Colts by 4

No site to my knowledge had the game in the 4's

[DrunkenLullaby]

Pats beat Colts by 4

No site to my knowledge had the game in the 4's

I believe it opened at 3.5 ever so briefly on the Sunday night before the game. So a few, very few, NE punters cashed.

[SBR Lou]

it went like
3.5 opening, 4, 4.5, 5, 5.5, 6 at some places, I talked to a friend of mine who took pats -7 from some local.. lol

[Da Manster!]

I believe it opened at 3.5 ever so briefly on the Sunday night before the game. So a few, very few, NE punters cashed.

DrunkenLullaby,
the spread for that game was New England (-5.5 or -6)...it opened that way and pretty much stayed that way the whole week with action on both sides...the colts covered...it was the only game that NE hasn't covered this year.

[Da Manster!]

crazyl,
who is that animated character in your avatar?!...I have always been curious and wondered about that.

[DrunkenLullaby]

DrunkenLullaby,
the spread for that game was New England (-5.5 or -6)...it opened that way

Ummmm....how do I say this? Oh yeah..."no".

[Da Manster!]

Ummmm....how do I say this? Oh yeah..."no".

ummmmm...how do I say this?....oh yeah.."yes"....I'm not exactly sure which book you were using, but 90% of them had the opening line at (-5)....anyhow, it's no big deal and I'm not going to get into a pissing contest with you on it.

[DrunkenLullaby]

ummmmm...how do I say this?....oh yeah.."yes"....I'm not exactly sure which book you were using, but 90% of them had the opening line at (-5)....anyhow, it's no big deal and I'm not going to get into a pissing contest with you on it.

I'm using the books that actually open the line on Sunday night...Pinny and Olympic. The game opened at 3.5....for about 2 or 3 minutes tops, but it did open there.

That being said...

[Da Manster!]

I'm using the books that actually open the line on Sunday night...Pinny and Olympic. The game opened at 3.5....for about 2 or 3 minutes tops, but it did open there.

That being said...

Awww!..I knew there was a catch!....2 or 3 minutes?!!...LOL!....I checked the lines on Monday Morning but very rarely do lines move that swiftly in a matter of hours (which obviously happened in this case)....anyhow, likewise my friend....

[slacker00]

I'm using the books that actually open the line on Sunday night...Pinny and Olympic. The game opened at 3.5....for about 2 or 3 minutes tops, but it did open there.

That being said...

The week prior to the game, some books had the line available at 3.5. It was offered more as a futures prop. After the Pats lit up the Redskins, that moved the line to 5 or whatever. I wouldn't consider the 3.5 "standard" under those circumstances. Like I said, use the closing line. It saves all of these arguments.

[biggamer3]

I'm using the books that actually open the line on Sunday night...Pinny and Olympic. The game opened at 3.5....for about 2 or 3 minutes tops, but it did open there.

That being said...

Wow talk about people being on top of things

[DrunkenLullaby]

Wow talk about people being on top of things

Hey, it was (essentially) the Superbowl! It's not like I was glued to my computer this past Sunday night waiting on the Oak-KC game to open up....but this was a special game. "Special" in the sense that I deserve to ride the short yellow bus for not laying the 3.5 the second I saw it open.

[slacker00]

Hey, it was (essentially) the Superbowl! It's not like I was glued to my computer this past Sunday night waiting on the Oak-KC game to open up....but this was a special game. "Special" in the sense that I deserve to ride the short yellow bus for not laying the 3.5 the second I saw it open.

I don't think it really "opened" at 3.5. Like I said, some places maybe had that line a week ahead offered as a prop future or whatever. Then the line closed that Sunday while the games were in progress and opened up again when the games were decided. I'm sure the 3.5 was never available when the lines opened up again, it went straight to 5. Remember, new information is gained each time we see a team play. For the Pats, they completely destroy a Washington team that was thought to be a reasonable opponent. For the Colts, they took a few injuries on the chin, which decreased their value for the next game. Anyone quoting the 3.5 as a regular line, and not a prop future type of line is feeding out a lot of bullshit.

[Wheell]

Actually, I can prove that it opened not at 3.5, but at 3. 3 lasted no more than 90 seconds, and 3.5 didn't last much longer. Depending on where you were looking 4 lasted a while (at pinnacle), and then it moved to 4.5. It didn't jump to 6 until later.

[Ganchrow]

If SBR's archived line history is to be believed, the game first opened offshore at The Greek on Sunday at 7:56 PM at -3 -125 where it was available for 50 minutes before moving to -4 -115.

[regularguy]

Great thread. Seriously. I love this forum. You guys have your shYt together. Much appreciated.

[DrunkenLullaby]

If SBR's archived line history is to be believed, the game first opened offshore at The Greek on Sunday at 7:56 PM at -3 -125 where it was available for 50 minutes before moving to -4 -115.

Ganch, I don't believe it was there for anywhere close to 50 minutes. More like the timeframes Wheell quoted. But it was there, and it was on Sunday night.

[tacomax]

For these types of arguments, typically closing lines are used. Opening lines can be erratic and unavailable widely.

But if you want to say that the Patriots won against the spread every game of the season, you should really take in every possibility throughout the week or at the very least both the opening and closing prices. I'm sure if you biased the data into however you want the conclusion to be reached, you could prove that the Dolphins have a 10-0 record.

[pico]

But if you want to say that the Patriots won against the spread every game of the season, you should really take in every possibility throughout the week or at the very least both the opening and closing prices. I'm sure if you biased the data into however you want the conclusion to be reached, you could prove that the Dolphins have a 10-0 record.

unless you're taking super teasers lines as per game spread

[tacomax]

You missed the point of my point. I used a dumb example to make a point. And the point is that you can't pick and choose the data set you want to select in order to make your argument valid.

[pico]

You missed the point of my point. I used a dumb example to make a point. And the point is that you can't pick and choose the data set you want to select in order to make your argument valid.

i got your point, just trying to make your dumb example more believable

[chano]

I didnt know you guys would take this so seriously, I would have never brought this up.

[raiders72002]

It was a heavy 3.5 so in reality it was a 4. I took it at 4 at Bookmaker and bought back at 6.

[raiders72002]

Play at 4

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[BigBollocks]

As for lines never moving much between Sunday night and Monday morning, that ain't true. I've singlehandedly changed lines 2-3 points on Sunday night at theGreek and Pinny, and I'm sure others have on here as well. Those that target games the moment they come out a week ahead of time and those that bet mid-week are as different of animals as those who bet mid-week and those who bet the next game available on a Saturday rotation.

[SBR Lou]

Awesome avatar BigBollocks.

[raiders72002]

singlehandedly changed lines 2-3 points on Sunday night at theGreek and Pinny,

what sport?

[BigBollocks]

lol crazy

Raiders, I've knocked it up like that with CFB many times. If you pop and re-pop on their opening maxes you'll get it there pretty quick.

[Patrick McIrish]

Of course it's easier to move lines when they are first hung, that's why square books and other places that are afraid to take a bet wait so long to put up their number. They want it all to shake out before they get exposed. Big clearinghouse books that open early and take all comers make their money on volume, late to open crap books try to make theirs on hold %, obviously the higher the better. It's like forums, they all have their own business model, find the one that works best for you.

Anyway as far as moving lines 2 and 3 points it happens, of course much easier to do that in NCAAB totals or something along those lines than it is the NFL.

[pokernut9999]

Amazing how no one even answered the guys question.

Has it been done before ?

Instead argue over a moot point on the Pats Indy line.

[raiders72002]

As for lines never moving much between Sunday night and Monday morning, that ain't true. I've singlehandedly changed lines 2-3 points

Bullshit - So you think that you are moving the spread on college football spreads 2 and 3 points.

CRIS opens a line and you think that you are moving it 2 to 3 points which means that The Greek and Pinny are going to follow the line that YOU moved.

No big books are going to leave a 3 point middle on NCAA Football and they aren't going to respect your opinion enough to move the line on a College football spread

[raiders72002]

No one here is stupid enough to believe that BB is able to move an NCAA Football spread 3 points.