rebate wager wont pay me

BatemanPatrickl · 06-15-10, 06:19 PM

Originally posted by BLACKIE

Fish not a B-. We are a B and probably not one of the top books in the world but someday we will get there.

THIS

pokernut9999 · 06-15-10, 06:20 PM

Originally posted by phillyhata1

jj why are you so mad at me man. i apologized i am not as knowledgeable as u about this stuff. it was a new book for me, i was concerned i was being scammed and thought sbr could help me. blackie and i settled the misunderstanding. had i known that it was gonna cause this big of a problem i wouldve never posted the thread. i really always watch your videos man and think your hilarious i have no beef with you man.

No one has ever been scammed in over 3 years by Blackie on SBR.

They have complaint forms both here and at RebateWager to use for things like this.

Don't worry about it pal , just water over the dam.

phillyhata1 · 06-15-10, 06:20 PM

i think the right thing to do right now would be for me jj and blackie to get drunk together, break bread, and then post the video to show we are all good guys. life to short guys to sweat this bull shit

jjgold · 06-15-10, 06:20 PM

Originally posted by phillyhata1

jj why are you so mad at me man. i apologized i am not as knowledgeable as u about this stuff. it was a new book for me, i was concerned i was being scammed and thought sbr could help me. blackie and i settled the misunderstanding. had i known that it was gonna cause this big of a problem i wouldve never posted the thread. i really always watch your videos man and think your hilarious i have no beef with you man.

Philly I just get a little heated

Hopefully good things come from the thread and maybe Blackie adds a mid week payout down the road

obamaismyuncle · 06-15-10, 06:22 PM

excel for POTM

phillyhata1 · 06-15-10, 06:25 PM

its ok jj i could tell your not to be fukked with by your videos, all kidding aside man worlds way to messed up to be arguing about small stuff, i really was concerned this was like credit wagering horror stories or something because i didnt know much about the book. im good now, lot of good info in the thread and i wish blackie all the luck in becoming a top book. good luck tonight

jjgold · 06-15-10, 06:26 PM

GL Philly

Hopefully down the road you will give them another shot

phillyhata1 · 06-15-10, 06:28 PM

i made a misunderstood the rules gonna stick with em see how it goes.

excel · 06-15-10, 06:29 PM

KingKolzig · 06-15-10, 06:35 PM

ur gonna get payed thats what matters most. just have the self control not to bet this week. this thread is waaaaay to long for some guy who didnt read the rules.

phillyhata1 · 06-15-10, 06:37 PM

dude i read the rule i was confused cause it said payouts processed monday or tuesday. it was a misunderstanding that has been resolved there are no hard feelings.

Arena Nut · 06-15-10, 06:44 PM

Entertaining Thread

vyomguy · 06-15-10, 07:49 PM

Originally posted by excel

.......JJGOLD !!!

MonkeyF0cker · 06-15-10, 08:00 PM

Originally posted by pokernut9999

Reminds me of restaurants that have signs

no shoes no shirt no service.

Nice comparison. If you pay for your meal before you walk in the door...

pokernut9999 · 06-15-10, 08:14 PM

Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker

Nice comparison. If you pay for your meal before you walk in the door...

Anyone with half a brain should read rules before depositing.

I am sure you can spin that

KingKolzig · 06-15-10, 08:17 PM

Originally posted by pokernut9999

Anyone with half a brain should read rules before depositing.

I am sure you can spin that

no kidding. if everyone made a thread when something like this happened with a book sbr would be chaos. i can see threads for 2+ weeks of no-pay-slow-pay but a rule that is clearly stated. what a jerk-off

MonkeyF0cker · 06-15-10, 08:17 PM

Originally posted by BLACKIE

Poker if these guys think I'm a bit rough they should have read some of the shit when I first started out. A lot of people said a lot of shit about me and I fired right back. The bottom line is in the three years that my business has been exposed to this forum there has not been one legitimate claim logged against me. I may talk a lot of shit but I back it up with my actions. Name one other book that has come out in the last three years and has honored every rule and payout commitment stated on there web site.

So there WASN'T an issue with open parlays/teasers where you were attempting to freeroll players?

pokernut9999 · 06-15-10, 08:21 PM

Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker

So there WASN'T an issue with open parlays/teasers where you were attempting to freeroll players?

Another guy that ignored the rules , ask your buddy.

He can read and hear but ignored both.

MonkeyF0cker · 06-15-10, 08:31 PM

Originally posted by pokernut9999

Another guy that ignored the rules , ask your buddy.

He can read and hear but ignored both.

It's called stealing. Just because you put a rule in place that allows you to steal doesn't make it justified.

pokernut9999 · 06-15-10, 08:36 PM

Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker

It's called stealing. Just because you put a rule in place that allows you to steal doesn't make it justified.

It is in the rules and he was reminded many times

He is smart enough to know the rules and just ignored them when warned many times.

Why do books and society as a whole have rules ?

For someone educated like you , common sense seems to be lacking at times.

pokernut9999 · 06-15-10, 08:38 PM

Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker

It's called stealing. Just because you put a rule in place that allows you to steal doesn't make it justified.

Also glad you admit the rule was in place , so explain what your smart buddy was trying to pull ?

If you know the rule and ignore it maybe he was the one trying to steal.

Grandmaster B · 06-15-10, 08:42 PM

Originally posted by wal66

You are thinking logically and that's where you are wrong mtneer>

See in order to see things the right way you need to form a biased opinion of something first. Looking at both sides and evaluating all information doesn't fit the mold.

If this book or any other book doesn't opperate according to YOUR standards then said book is obviously a bad book. If you have had no problems with this book or any other book then you are obviously a shill for sad book. If there are NO sustancial violations, mediations or arbitrations with this book or any other book then obviously then the problem shifts to higher juice, lower limits, less offerings and targeted markets.

God forbid that this book owner or any other book owner takes offense and re-acts emotionally and ultimately attempts to make ammends with a player. Now do you see what you are missing mtneer?

Look obviously there was some over reaction on the players part and in the initial responses by RW and even Blackie. As I attempted to point out when doing business in the publics eye certain things will be frowned on. As we learned there was already explinations and interactions between the parties so an unbiased, less opinionated person could understand why RW and Blackie might bust a blood vessel and pop off.

The REAL PROBLEM is that threads like this could easily TARNISH the knowledge valued posters have when there is a REAL issue with a book of wrong doings. As of yet RebateWager hasn't fallen into that category from anything we have read in any of the threads about them.

As usual, I have no dog in this fight just trying to look LOGICALLY at the situation.

are the books a business or something else?

because when you run a business the customer is always right

if I go to a restaurant and the food is nasty and I demand my money back is the manager going to come from the back and cuss me out?

lmao...basically I answered my own question...the books have the attitude "you need us we dont need you" hence the attitude of "go somewhere else if you dont like it"

only thing they dont realize without the players they are nothing

google "lazerwager"

to understand what Im saying

Grandmaster B · 06-15-10, 08:46 PM

Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker

It's called stealing. Just because you put a rule in place that allows you to steal doesn't make it justified.

Grandmaster B · 06-15-10, 08:48 PM

Originally posted by pokernut9999

In the world of gambling the phrase "the customer is always right" does not fly.

maybe in your world...but if someone wants MY money I demand to be respected as a customer at their place of business

maybe in your world you suk people off and beg for those same people to take your money...while being bent over and grabbing your ankles in the process

Grandmaster B · 06-15-10, 08:50 PM

and when I say the customer is always right I dont mean someone trying to scam...I mean in a sense of the business owner will do whatever it takes to make things right

the customer shouldnt have to run to the better business bureau to get results

comprehend?

AMBlai01 · 06-15-10, 09:28 PM

Originally posted by pokernut9999

In the world of gambling the phrase "the customer is always right" does not fly.

Why not?

The problem with this whole thing is not the fact that the player can't get paid. He accepted that and apologized for not reading the rules or not knowing them...cool.

The problem comes when Blackie comes in here and starts puffing out his chest. He gets defensive (for some unknown reason) and starts to belittle and insult not only the guy that started the thread but others as well. He needs to learn how to deal with people....it may not hurt him now and it may not hurt him tomorrow but sometime down the road this will cost him. It already probably does cost him money and he doesn't even realize it. Having a great product means nothing if you can't manage it.

wal66 · 06-15-10, 09:28 PM

Originally posted by Grandmaster B

are the books a business or something else?

because when you run a business the customer is always right

if I go to a restaurant and the food is nasty and I demand my money back is the manager going to come from the back and cuss me out?

lmao...basically I answered my own question...the books have the attitude "you need us we dont need you" hence the attitude of "go somewhere else if you dont like it"

only thing they dont realize without the players they are nothing

google "lazerwager"

to understand what Im saying

B, customers are NOT always right and if you are in the customer relations field you would know this.

That being said there are ways of dealing with customers in a more freindly manner than we saw initially in this thread but also remember it was revealed that there had been prior explinations to the player in this case before making this thread.

I can not defend RebateWager or Blackie for any type of "old school tactics" in a public setting nor would I try but on a personal level if I offered a product that was constantly under attack and ULTIMATELY unjustly attacked it would wear on me as well and chances are I would take offense and pop off as well.

If RebateWager or any book does something that is legitimately wrong/illegal or even morally reprehensible to a player then THAT deserves the focus of this forum. In the past two threads about RebateWager and what someone THOUGHT was wrong turned out to be in THEIR RULES OF OPPERATION. Now certainly some posters may not like those rules or think they are fair bt it they are IN WRITING then they apply.

If posters don't like a certain product (book) they have every right to tell he world it's not right for them and in their opinion there are far better options out there but at no time should any poster label a book a BAD option just because it doesn't fit their personal criteria.

AMBlai01 · 06-15-10, 09:31 PM

Originally posted by wal66

B, customers are NOT always right and if you are in the customer relations field you would know this.

That being said there are ways of dealing with customers in a more freindly manner than we saw initially in this thread but also remember it was revealed that there had been prior explinations to the player in this case before making this thread.

I can not defend RebateWager or Blackie for any type of "old school tactics" in a public setting nor would I try but on a personal level if I offered a product that was constantly under attack and ULTIMATELY unjustly attacked it would wear on me as well and chances are I would take offense and pop off as well.

If RebateWager or any book does something that is legitimately wrong/illegal or even morally reprehensible to a player then THAT deserves the focus of this forum. In the past two threads about RebateWager and what someone THOUGHT was wrong turned out to be in THEIR RULES OF OPPERATION. Now certainly some posters may not like those rules or think they are fair bt it they are IN WRITING then they apply.

If posters don't like a certain product (book) they have every right to tell he world it's not right for them and in their opinion there are far better options out there but at no time should any poster label a book a BAD option just because it doesn't fit their personal criteria.

while I agree to an extent....you are still dismissing the actions by the owner of the company. No one with that much information and power should be acting like a 3 year old.

MonkeyF0cker · 06-15-10, 09:32 PM

Originally posted by pokernut9999

Answer the question , why did he ignore their warning and why did they keep warning him first.

Quit iqnoring the question

Because the rule allowing them to freeroll was vague and confusing. The software allowed him to close the teaser with events that took place after their own deadline. Get it now, genius? They booked the fukking bets.

acarmelo1 · 06-15-10, 09:36 PM

Crappy Rule

BLACKIE · 06-15-10, 09:38 PM

Wrong the player was read the rules on the read backs. tapes were given to sbr. The player took advantage of a new clerk who closed the bet when it shouldn't of been closed. State the facts if you are gonna state the facts.

pokernut9999 · 06-15-10, 09:42 PM

Why do we have rules ?

Only on SBR do you hear this shit every day

Crappy rule , vague rule , do not like the rule.

Grow up kids

And damn it Blackie quit ignoring my question

You are worse then MonkeyFlapper

MonkeyF0cker · 06-15-10, 09:42 PM

Originally posted by BLACKIE

Wrong the player was read the rules on the read backs. tapes were given to sbr. The player took advantage of a new clerk who closed the bet when it shouldn't of been closed. State the facts if you are gonna state the facts.

You booked the bet. You booked the bet. You booked the bet. There is NOTHING wrong with what I said. You CANNOT steal because YOU booked a bet, thief.

BLACKIE · 06-15-10, 09:42 PM

It not a matter about sweating a payout it's a matter about following the rules and we have made many an exception on the side of a player when they don't get the rules but when someone accuses a book of not paying I have problem with it.

pokernut9999 · 06-15-10, 09:45 PM

Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker

You booked the bet. You booked the bet. You booked the bet. There is NOTHING wrong with what I said. You CANNOT steal because YOU booked a bet, thief.

Great example MonkeyFlapper , how many books take bets on bad lines and then cancel.

Can we scream you booked the bet, you booked the bet ,you booked the bet.

The plane , the plane , the plane.

Get a life kid