[jjgold]

NBA commissioner Adam Silver insists teams will be 'on notice' and the league will be 'paying particular attention' to tanking this season amid concerns teams will try to finish bottom to draft 'once-in-a-generation' Victor Wembanyama

[pologq]

the real winner for tanking teams. guy is a merchandise machine.

[KVB]

Polo....

[KVB]

What are they going to do? Scan millions of data points for patterns, correlations, and irregularities?

Oh wait, that's whay we do. Wouldn't be much to shift some of our studies and experiments to a "tanking" type structure and see what pops.

Maybe Adam Silver should just ask us what we think.

It's a tough cookie to prove though, even in the face of convincing data and evidence.

Proving motive to lose will be difficult and the sample would have to be so far out of statistical ranges to even look that direction.

Kind of like how I "proved" that the Patriots were cheating for more than a decade once they successfully lobbied to bring their own balls to road games. The scatterplots and regressions were as obvious as day, especially when it came to fumbles lost per touch.

We didn't need Brady smashing his phone to be suspicious. Either something was up, or the NE coaches were the best ever at ball handling than anyone in history could have dreamt they could be.

A slightly deflated ball explained everything.

[KVB]

Motive is the toughest, as we've seen in the NFL, even a whistleblower isn't enough.

Silver has no chance here.

[Chi_archie]

He doesn't actually have to look for, find, and punish it

just has to SAY that they are. appearance of the NBA not washing their hands of this

the chatter for tanking will be huge as the season progresses so they have to be proactive in at least going through the motions of voicing a tough stance.

[VeggieDog]

Let 'em tank. Tanking teams = easy money for smart gamblers.

[KVB]

He doesn't actually have to look for, find, and punish it

just has to SAY that they are. appearance of the NBA not washing their hands of this

the chatter for tanking will be huge as the season progresses so they have to be proactive in at least going through the motions of voicing a tough stance.

It's just another one of those things whereby they are providing, not misinformation, but actual disinformation, that exploits the ignorant (not an insult, but a fact based statement). We know because those of us in the know write a post like mine, and know they are full of shit.

We've seen this in nearly every industry recently. It's done for political purposes almost always.

Can't think of how many times I've seen the cable "news" say some fact, oil and gas a good example, that is just not true but you would only know if you studied the industry, say for investing.

They do the same thing with business news now, it's sickening because they act like they are there for the investor all the while coating litigation stories, which should be fact based, with their politcal slants.

It's like nobody cares anymore and they are directly aiming their arrows to exploit the ignorant bases, political, sports, entertainment, whatever.

"We Love The Poorly Educated"

We're fukkin doomed...lol.

[KVB]

I don't blame the people, to be clear, I'm not talking down to anyone who never learned some trivial facts.

It's not their/our fault, there are bad actors exploiting us.

We can only try to fight back.

[d2bets]

How exactly will they ever prove this, unless someone is stupid/crazy enough to admit it?
And what does it say about the integrity of the game when your commissioner believes intentionally losing is likely enough to warrant having to tell teams not to intentionally lose?

[asiagambler]

How exactly will they ever prove this, unless someone is stupid/crazy enough to admit it?
And what does it say about the integrity of the game when your commissioner believes intentionally losing is likely enough to warrant having to tell teams not to intentionally lose?

He's talking about teams resting healthy players. Not players literally playing to lose

[d2bets]

He's talking about teams resting healthy players. Not players literally playing to lose

Teams rest healthy players for reasons other than "tanking". The original post talked about tanking in connection with getting a top draft pick. Teams rest healthy players so that they are fresher for the playoffs. These are two different things entirely. If he's talking about healthy rests, he's not talking about tanking at all.

[KVB]

He's talking about teams resting healthy players. Not players literally playing to lose

Even worse. Motive so much harder to prove.

That is justified as "load management" and any attempt to force a minimum play time for starters and 6th men would just lead to more "soreness" and "injury" to make up for the need for rest.

The introduction of "load managment" has changed the game.

I've posted a few times how capping the NBA, lineup, possessions, etc, becomes more about the probability of some players starting that day than it is about the correlated probabilities we discover.

The game is changing, that includes the betting game.

Every game we cap in advance comes with a big "if" and therefore every game must be capped with different lineups and then the probabilities of seeing those lineups which is another level of work.

MLB made a shift, a few years ago, whereby starters don't last as long, and sometimes don't even start, while a closer comes in for just 2 innings. Being able to quickly substitute and then calculate probabilities becomes a regular issue, on a daily basis.

NBA is becoming the same, or has been for a couple of years.

[KVB]

It takes extra work, but it also allows for market inefficiencies all over the place.

I expect to see, in the future, more and more instances of games being pulled from the board to adjust.

Many books just got rid of the action option and just said bet the game, not the pitchers.

That opens up the market to inefficencies and is a great place for an up and coming MLB better to learn the ropes.

It shows how harder, smarter, work pays off in real live probabilities.

[jjgold]

It does seem like the guy will make a team an automatic contender, of course injuries a factor

[TheMoneyShot]

If the Pistons somehow get their hands on this dude.... they'll be back on the map. They'll be tanking... well.... in reality every year they're tanking.

[asiagambler]

Teams rest healthy players for reasons other than "tanking". The original post talked about tanking in connection with getting a top draft pick. Teams rest healthy players so that they are fresher for the playoffs. These are two different things entirely. If he's talking about healthy rests, he's not talking about tanking at all.

No idea what you're even trying to say here

The commissioner is warning teams tanking which specifically refers to resting healthy players

It doesn't matter that there are other reasons to rest healthy players. Teams DO rest healthy players when "tanking"

You for some bizarre reason thought he was talking about players literally playing the game to lose

I'm just telling you what you're thinking is completely off-the-wall wrong

Wow

[asiagambler]

Even worse. Motive so much harder to prove.

That is justified as "load management" and any attempt to force a minimum play time for starters and 6th men would just lead to more "soreness" and "injury" to make up for the need for rest.

The introduction of "load managment" has changed the game.

I've posted a few times how capping the NBA, lineup, possessions, etc, becomes more about the probability of some players starting that day than it is about the correlated probabilities we discover.

The game is changing, that includes the betting game.

Every game we cap in advance comes with a big "if" and therefore every game must be capped with different lineups and then the probabilities of seeing those lineups which is another level of work.

MLB made a shift, a few years ago, whereby starters don't last as long, and sometimes don't even start, while a closer comes in for just 2 innings. Being able to quickly substitute and then calculate probabilities becomes a regular issue, on a daily basis.

NBA is becoming the same, or has been for a couple of years.

I don't disagree with any of that. I was just trying to explain to that lunatic that the commissioner wasn't talking about players literally on the court playing with the intention of losing

[agharah1]

Well, Utah and San Antonio are 3-1, so much for tanking. I expect the team with the worst record will be somebody who isn't trying to tank, they just really suck and are an embarrassment. Someone like Sacramento or Washington.

[pologq]

i think pride has to come into play even when a team is tanking the players still want to win

[stake1]

lakers. They are awful, they need a complete rebuild, tanking their season would be the smart thing

[7deuceoff$uit]

Change the lottery rules, simple.

[lakerboy]

Clippers already started tanking. They are calling it "maintenance"

[stake1]

Barkley said clip joint was going to win the west. Papa Shaq pizza agreed with him. so should equal clip joint misses playoffs altogether

[Mike Huntertz]

NBA teams will stop tanking when soccer players stop diving, ain't gonna happen.

[Mr KLC]

Change the lottery rules, simple.

Bingo! I actually think they should have a ping pong lottery for all the NBA teams each year. Don't reward the bad teams with an early pick. To me, that's like rewarding a franchise for doing a lousy job. Maybe that will force some of those GM's to sign some players that could do a significant job for the franchise.

[asiagambler]

I'm interested to see how they are going to enforce this or if this is all just talk

[stake1]

manfred said the same for baseball. will never stop teams trying to get a better draft pick slot. Sad but every year, before a pro sport even starts, there are bunch of teams that zero shot

[DiggityDaggityDo]

[lakerboy]

I'm interested to see how they are going to enforce this or if this is all just talk

This is all Silver's fault IMO . He is a weak commissioner who has basically catered to the players and allowed the game to turn into crap.

His best effort to stop this was adding the couple of playoff spots to try and make things more competitive.

He isn't tough and he won't do much.

[Mac4Lyfe]

Change the lottery rules, simple.

The lottery rules are fine. It really should be enough to prevent tanking.

[Mac4Lyfe]

The bottom 8 really has a good chance of getting the #1 pick. The rest really had a good chance at getting in the play in game. I'd probably cut the top 3 by a few % points and spread that out a bit but the bottom feeders need an option to better their teams. Most of the time, they are in small markets and need the boost of a superstar. Like the Orlando Magic. They got Banchero and if they can add Wemby, they are a team to be reckoned with. No other way for small market teams like them. They can't do it with free agency.

[Otters27]

Hope this kid doesn't get hurt

[Mac4Lyfe]

Hope this kid doesn't get hurt

He looks solid. His team has been working on his body for years now. They have not had him lift weights yet but using other methods to increase muscle. He's built much better than traditional big men like Walton or Chet Holmgren. Only issue is when you're that tall, smaller guys happen to crash into your legs on accident. The kid really has all the tools. He put in a lot of work in the last year alone.

[Mike Huntertz]

This guy is as tall as a Wookie.
Holy phuck 7 ft 3 in. His 'fro will brush the ceiling of most homes.