[Bluehorseshoe]

Jags should have never been favorites at Houston last week and now the books scared everyone off of the Jags.


Jags too easy this week.

[Easy-Rider 66]

maybe getting 6. but you bet bad teams like JAX you get shit on your hands. GL

[thomorino]

Jags should have never been favorites at Houston last week and now the books scared everyone off of the Jags.


Jags too easy this week.

It doesn't impact my handicapping but if the books wanted people on Jacksonville they put a 7 up, not a 6.

[Seattle Slew]

Always liked Bridgewater, but I agree here. Denver overvalued after beating a Giants team that has been a disaster in their homes games the last few seasons.

Biggest problem Jax had was the coaching. Beyond bad that Meyer would have a rookie QB throwing the ball that many times in the opening half instead of trying to run the football.

Jax's defense didn't play that badly. The offense screwed them over the entire game with 3 and outs and turnovers. I'd expect this to be a close game.

[Brock Landers]

Jacksonville LOL

[semibluff]

The Broncos were a competent and motivated team. They have a bottom-end starter at QB and depth at RB. I didn't see anything more to them than that, yet they scored 34 points in the 1st 3 quarters and they could have scored more if they had put the hammer down. The Jaguars defense wasn't awful but it's hard to see them winning a game. Lawrence looked like a film actor playing the role of QB. He's a physical specimen and he knows the playbook but he doesn't have any of the NFL nuance. It'll be hard to take the Jaguars plus less than 7 against anyone. They won't go win-less and they'll cover some spreads, but it's hard to predict when and where. This could be 1 such cover. Pass on this game.

[ThaTopMoron]

just know that they've now lost 16 regular season games in a row

[KiDBaZkiT]

Jacksonville LOL

Totally agree. This is going to be one of the worst offenses in the last 15 years.

[johnnyvegas13]

Pass

[Eddy Munny]

It doesn't impact my handicapping but if the books wanted people on Jacksonville they put a 7 up, not a 6.

That's why he's saying the Broncos are a trap, the line is enticing DEN action not deterring it.

[JayDr3am]

Pass

double pass

[jjgold]

Is anybody taking Jacksonville money line?

[Headsterx]

Posting here during TNF proves you already lost your TNF bet.

[ThaTopMoron]

Is anybody taking Jacksonville money line?

there are plenty of NFL games and college games to round out a few plays

nobody should have to PLAY anything in jags games entire season unless you are tossing their opponents in "ML parlays" when they are big underdogs

[jtoler]

The Broncos were a competent and motivated team. They have a bottom-end starter at QB and depth at RB. I didn't see anything more to them than that, yet they scored 34 points in the 1st 3 quarters and they could have scored more if they had put the hammer down. The Jaguars defense wasn't awful but it's hard to see them winning a game. Lawrence looked like a film actor playing the role of QB. He's a physical specimen and he knows the playbook but he doesn't have any of the NFL nuance. It'll be hard to take the Jaguars plus less than 7 against anyone. They won't go win-less and they'll cover some spreads, but it's hard to predict when and where. This could be 1 such cover. Pass on this game.

I took away something different. besides the picks lawrence looked rather good to me in some of the throws I saw and bridgewater isnt a bottom end starter. its not easy to win games at qb in the nfl and if u have a winning record doing it then u are more than a capable qb. I think we get caught up in automatically comparing any qb to the highest echelon of qbs and right away discard them, but bridgewater is a career 27-23 as a starter, nothing to discard. for reference cousins is 51-52 as a starter.

[gauchojake]

Broncos D will feast IMO

[semibluff]

I took away something different. besides the picks lawrence looked rather good to me in some of the throws I saw and bridgewater isnt a bottom end starter. its not easy to win games at qb in the nfl and if u have a winning record doing it then u are more than a capable qb. I think we get caught up in automatically comparing any qb to the highest echelon of qbs and right away discard them, but bridgewater is a career 27-23 as a starter, nothing to discard. for reference cousins is 51-52 as a starter.

Fair enough. Agree to disagree. It was Week 1 and it was my 1st ever look at Lawrence. My analysis was he made system plays. He had completions when the play was designed to get 1 guy open and where guys sat down in the holes in zone. When receivers were in 3 yards of space and he could gun the ball to them he was fine. Everyone else he pretty much struggled to hit. He was inaccurate partly because his throwing mechanics and footwork were poor. With time and a clean pocket those issues won't be a problem. Without time and a clean pocket he'll rush throws and the mechanics will make him more inaccurate. He didn't have pocket presence so he didn't slide away from pressure and he stared receivers down. Again, it's Week 1 and i'm sure he'll improve but it wasn't his knowledge of the plays/playbook that let him down. Big athletic guy, big arm, but so not ready to play.

There are about 24 QBs, (maybe 1 or 2 more or less), that most people think are QBs that could win a Super Bowl. The top 16 or so could win on mediocre teams. The rest of them could win if their teams are otherwise elite. Below those 24 QBs there are bottom-end starters, back-ups, and prospects with potential. Bridgewater is a bottom-end starter, along with Winston, Darnold, Jones, Hurts, Minshew, Foles, Lock, Fitzpatrick, Newton and maybe a few others. Teams will give them starting jobs in the short-term but they're looking to upgrade in the near future. For the most part they're competent QBs who can have good seasons. It's not an insult.

[HAPPY BOY]

game smells like caca ..pass

[Slurry Pumper]

I don't know the Broncs coming down from the mountain top to play in the hot and humid Florida sun. I can see the Jagoffs putting up a home opening fight here to the tune of covering late in the 4th when that humidity sets in.

You want a trap how about the Rams going east to take on Indy. I think Indy will cover the hook.

[trobin31]

We probably shouldn’t underestimate how bad some of these legacy college coaches can be in NFL

[semibluff]

I don't know the Broncs coming down from the mountain top to play in the hot and humid Florida sun. I can see the Jagoffs putting up a home opening fight here to the tune of covering late in the 4th when that humidity sets in.

You want a trap how about the Rams going east to take on Indy. I think Indy will cover the hook.

The Week 1 1st half Carson Wentz could cover. The Week 1 2nd half Carson Wentz could be benched for multiple INTs.

[johnnyvegas13]

Lean under here maybe

[stake1]

Meyer going to rally? Or will he quit at halftime?

[jtoler]

There are about 24 QBs, (maybe 1 or 2 more or less), that most people think are QBs that could win a Super Bowl. The top 16 or so could win on mediocre teams. The rest of them could win if their teams are otherwise elite. Below those 24 QBs there are bottom-end starters, back-ups, and prospects with potential. Bridgewater is a bottom-end starter, along with Winston, Darnold, Jones, Hurts, Minshew, Foles, Lock, Fitzpatrick, Newton and maybe a few others. Teams will give them starting jobs in the short-term but they're looking to upgrade in the near future. For the most part they're competent QBs who can have good seasons. It's not an insult.

"that most people think". you seem to be taking your analysis from the general public, which can sway from week to week, instead of cold hard stats. again bridgewater is a qb above .500 in the win column for his career after 50 starts. cousins is a game under .500 in 103 career starts and he has had bonafide teams the last few years and still has 7-9, 8-8 type seasons. bridgewater went 11-5 in minny. put hurts on those minny teams hell he prob makes conf. finals or super bowl. and there arnt 16 qbs that would win on mediocre teams only maybe 5, the rodgers and wilsons of the world could, tom brady, and a couple others. I think wilson started out 5-0 last year with the worst defense in the league. teddy b. will change your mind this year and you will have to move him up a tier.

[thomorino]

Denver's defense is a top 5 unit, and Jacksonville has no offensive line. Bridgewatwr has been very consistent too, he almost never has letdowns.

[johnnyvegas13]

Denver's defense is a top 5 unit, and Jacksonville has no offensive line. Bridgewatwr has been very consistent too, he almost never has letdowns.

No they r not top 5

u r talking me into Jax +6 here

[thomorino]

No they r not top 5

u r talking me into Jax +6 here

Wrong, they are top 5, strong at every level..You are a dumb shit.

[johnnyvegas13]

Wrong, they are top 5, strong at every level..You are a dumb shit.

They r not top 5 and 90% of the forum will agree w me

[thomorino]

They r not top 5 and 90% of the forum will agree w me

Wrong, Von miller is as good as any linebacker in the nfl, Simmons is as good as any safety, then they also hae Kyle fuller, chubb, the defense is loaded.

Fangio is one of the best defensive coaches in the league too

[thomorino]

That's why he's saying the Broncos are a trap, the line is enticing DEN action not deterring it.

There's nothing limited about Bridgewater, he's made this team a playoff team.

[jtoler]

Wrong, Von miller is as good as any linebacker in the nfl, Simmons is as good as any safety, then they also hae Kyle fuller, chubb, the defense is loaded.

Fangio is one of the best defensive coaches in the league too

its only 1 game played so far but so far they are ranked 8th in yds allowed. last year they were ranked 21. they have some names but it hasnt translated into a top defense but that is prob because last year the offense was poor which meant more time on the field for the defense. with a better offense they should be ranked in top 10 this yr if the offense can keep them off the field.

[thomorino]

its only 1 game played so far but so far they are ranked 8th in yds allowed. last year they were ranked 21. they have some names but it hasnt translated into a top defense but that is prob because last year the offense was poor which meant more time on the field for the defense. with a better offense they should be ranked in top 10 this yr if the offense can keep them off the field.

Last year the offense was trash, so it was impossible to evaluate the defense because they were out in so many bad positions. They are as talented as almost any defense in the lesgue

[johnnyvegas13]

Either jags or jets r covering or winning

prob stay away from these two gms

[jtoler]

people will call me crazy but lawrence in spurts reminded me of peyton manning. its only 1 game dont forget manning had 3 picks in his first start too

[johnnyvegas13]

people will call me crazy but lawrence in spurts reminded me of peyton manning. its only 1 game dont forget manning had 3 picks in his first start too

I dunno I said in a preseason thread he would bust

time will tell

being drafted into the jags makes it tough either way