[jjgold]

One of the two big guns

First exhibition with Lenox Lewis in Dec maybe a set up for the massive payday next year

Tyson says most money he makes with boxing he gives away I believe him

[BIGDAY]

[Bostongambler]

Please, it’s all a joke now. Any heavyweight worth his water would beat him .

[jjgold]

Money maker thats all

[ChuckyTheGoat]

Seriously. Lennox Lewis beat the piss out of him TWENTY years ago.

Tyson (sadly) is one of the most overrated sports figures in L30 years:

1) His early list of opponents = all Tomato-Cans.
2) Short arms. Struggles when facing a long-reach true heavywt (like Lennox).
3) Lost to some TRUE journeymen toward the end.

Teddy Atlas talked about it. Accumulate all those wins vs nobody fighters. When faced with a real brawl, where was he? He melted in those situations. And props to Buster Douglas for kicking his ass.

[Otters27]

He's a boss

[DrunkHorseplayer]

Seriously. Lennox Lewis beat the piss out of him TWENTY years ago.

Tyson (sadly) is one of the most overrated sports figures in L30 years:

1) His early list of opponents = all Tomato-Cans.
2) Short arms. Struggles when facing a long-reach true heavywt (like Lennox).
3) Lost to some TRUE journeymen toward the end.

Teddy Atlas talked about it. Accumulate all those wins vs nobody fighters. When faced with a real brawl, where was he? He melted in those situations. And props to Buster Douglas for kicking his ass.

Atlas is a dumbass; Tyson in his prime, which didn't last long, was the best ever. He beat Tony Tucker (34-0), Bonecrusher Smith, destroyed Trevor Berbick and Michael Spinks, both legit fighters, and beat both Razor Ruddock and Frank Bruno twice. Until the first Holyfield fight, he was about 44-1 with 38 KO's. If not for a once-in-a-lifetime performance by Douglas and a gold digging slut, he probably would've beat Marciano's record.

[KiDBaZkiT]

Would rather watch him fight than watch a former Disney kid fight.

[Snowball]

If not for a once-in-a-lifetime performance by Douglas and a gold digging slut, he probably would've beat Marciano's record.

Well, you're right but there's more to consider. As Tyson aged, he lost his speed, and became a lot more vulnerable. That out-of-the-box fury he possessed when young was not the same. He turned into just another brawler. Tyson's life has a lot of mistakes in it. When he listened to the parrothead Don King and canned the Gud D'Amato team with Rooney still his manager, he lost ... you know D'Amato and Rooney made Tyson the fighter he was while he was under their tutelage.

Rocky's record would have been higher if he didn't retire so young. (32). Like Jim Brown and Barry Sanders, these guys were icons and prototypes of their styles that basically ran out of competition to challenge them and got bored with all the stardom or the sport itself. The money was not nearly as big as today, either.

[DrunkHorseplayer]

You're correct but give me 1988-89 Tyson over any other fighter who ever lived; heavyweight power, middleweight speed and excellent technique.

[johnnyvegas13]

This is so way off

he isn’t even fight real fights

just ex matches

[Snowball]

You're correct but give me 1988-89 Tyson over any other fighter who ever lived; heavyweight power, middleweight speed and excellent technique.

I can't say that, because Tyson started hs career at a time when the greats before him were retired. I know what you're looking at, but it has to stay in the "we'll never know" category like so many comparisons of different times. If you look more critically at those string of fights, there's a lot of chumps he beat up. Holmes was way out of his prime. Tyson caught a soft spot in the boxing era for heavyweights. I don't think it's a popular opinion among experts that it's clear he would have beat guys like Ali, Foreman, Frazier in their primes. Rocky, well, that's impossible to say also. These guys would have hit Tyson in ways his competition didn't. They all would have beaten Holyfield with ease.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Tyson

[JohnGalt2341]

Well, you're right but there's more to consider. As Tyson aged, he lost his speed, and became a lot more vulnerable. That out-of-the-box fury he possessed when young was not the same. He turned into just another brawler. Tyson's life has a lot of mistakes in it. When he listened to the parrothead Don King and canned the Cus D'Amato team with Rooney still his manager, he lost ... you know D'Amato and Rooney made Tyson the fighter he was while he was under their tutelage.

Rocky's record would have been higher if he didn't retire so young. (32). Like Jim Brown and Barry Sanders, these guys were icons and prototypes of their styles that basically ran out of competition to challenge them and got bored with all the stardom or the sport itself. The money was not nearly as big as today, either.

This

[DrunkHorseplayer]

Marciano couldn't compete against anyine in the 70's or later, just a whole different level of speed. A good comparision is Michael Spinks: in '85, he twice went the distance with a powerhouse Holmes; three years later, Tyson destriyed him. That was the only loss of Spinks' career.

[grease lightnin]

I don’t think any heavyweight in history could have beaten Tyson in his prime. Drunk horseplayer said it best

[hostile takeover]

Mike is in the entertainment business at this point. Take it for what it's worth.

I'm entertained any time Iron Mike gets in the ring.

[Auto Donk]

whoever this has been fights better wear these into the ring, superglued on tight as fuk:

[Snowball]

Marciano couldn't compete against anyine in the 70's or later, just a whole different level of speed. A good comparision is Michael Spinks: in '85, he twice went the distance with a powerhouse Holmes; three years later, Tyson destriyed him. That was the only loss of Spinks' career.

Nobody was faster than Ali in his prime, and not one known for his humility, Ali said he "thinks" he would have gone the distance with Rocky and won on points, but then he says maybe not at the end. He also said Rocky was better than Frazier. People who knew said nobody hit as hard as Marciano. He was small for a heavy weight but his punches were cannons.

[Brandt Moat]

Atlas and Mike never were friendly. Atlas threatened Mike's life with a knife to the throat if memory serves my stoned aged ars. Mike was the most feared man on the planet. His legend is greater then the sum of wins and turmoil he was in throughout his career. He was a serious force in the ring when trained and managed by Cus, Rooney and yea Atlas. Hard to hit, a punch that would knock a donkey out and well conditioned. Not sure how old you are or if you watched all of his fights in his prime, but what an exciting time in the HVWT. division. You thought he had a chance of killing his opponent. No shyt Overrated career? maybe Feared? FO SHO

Seriously. Lennox Lewis beat the piss out of him TWENTY years ago.

Tyson (sadly) is one of the most overrated sports figures in L30 years:

1) His early list of opponents = all Tomato-Cans.
2) Short arms. Struggles when facing a long-reach true heavywt (like Lennox).
3) Lost to some TRUE journeymen toward the end.

Teddy Atlas talked about it. Accumulate all those wins vs nobody fighters. When faced with a real brawl, where was he? He melted in those situations. And props to Buster Douglas for kicking his ass.

[Brandt Moat]

I think to this day Spinks to a dive in the Tyson fight out of fear! Watch it. He comes in lowers his left and Mike pops him with a short uppercut and Spinks' eyes rolled up in his head and he laid there. Didn't look probable. Michael wasn't a true HVWY. Wt. He moved up to make $$.

Marciano couldn't compete against anyine in the 70's or later, just a whole different level of speed. A good comparision is Michael Spinks: in '85, he twice went the distance with a powerhouse Holmes; three years later, Tyson destriyed him. That was the only loss of Spinks' career.

[jjgold]

It was outside distractions that ruined Tyson not his boxing skills

Between drugs and alcohol if he did things the right way he never would’ve lost


Go figure now he’s super successful

[Brandt Moat]

Holmes in his Prime would have gave Tyson fits. The Easton Assassin is a true all-time great! Frazier would have got mopped. Ali could have got on his bike and frustrated Mike for awhile but, Ali like to mix it up. He would have gave Mike chances to take him out. Would pay money to see Big George and Tyson Scrap! What a match-up. Don't know who would win?

[Brandt Moat]

Mike's a good dude. Lead a life we only read about.

[TheGoldenGoose]

Tyson / Spinks You Decide...

[VeggieDog]

Tyson was a beast and I loved to watch him fight. But when Cus died, he started into a downhill spiral and never recovered.

[DrunkHorseplayer]

I think to this day Spinks to a dive in the Tyson fight out of fear! Watch it. He comes in lowers his left and Mike pops him with a short uppercut and Spinks' eyes rolled up in his head and he laid there. Didn't look probable. Michael wasn't a true HVWY. Wt. He moved up to make $$.

Spinks might indeed have taken a dive out of fear but you have to ask yourself why. Spinks beat Holmes (48-0) twice, Cooney (28-1 with the only loss to Holmes), and Dwight Qawi, all legit heavywieghts. Spinks wasn't a 5-12 tomato can, he was top-notch; if Tyson scared him, it's proof of his greatness because you didn't see elite fighters getting intimidated by Ali, Holmes, Holyfield, Lewis, etc.

[JIBBBY]

Evander Holyfield beat the crap out of Tyson also. Tyson got so frustrated he had to bite his ear off. Totally outclassed. Buster Douglas dropped him also in his prime.

Tyson was overrated I agree. Just a scary power puncher that beat cans early on.

[Brandt Moat]

Mike was out of his "Prime" directly after Cus passed. He fell apart. Was controlled by the biggest piece of shyt to be involved in boxing history. Watch the fight with Buster. His corner gives him no help. When he comes back to the corner after teking an ars kicking, his corner gives him a cheer and sends him back put. Come on man, c'mon Mike you can do it. Not 1 fookn ounce of guidance. His head movement cease to exist. Combos and footwork vanished. He set his feet tucked his chin and slung power shots aimlessly. When he was on track with Cus he was unbeatable. And absolutely the most feared fighter EVER!!

[Brandt Moat]

There was the Mike that was managed by the white man. And the Mike that was caged and taken advantage of by the BLACK man. He was bought and sold just like the BLACK man that shipped em over here during slavery. Taken advantage of by his own! AGAIN just sayn....

[HAPPY BOY]

is this 1991 ??

[Brandt Moat]

Space Captain to Mother Earth. Space Captain...

[carolinakid]

not too much to say about this, i guess there is a sucker born everyday that would watch this.....

[Chi_archie]

yeah to get a title fight

you basically just need to have a lot of TALKS with the WBC, IBF,WBA, WBO ect

if you are persuasive, they just let you fight the champ

easy peasy

[DrunkHorseplayer]

Mike was out of his "Prime" directly after Cus passed. He fell apart. Was controlled by the biggest piece of shyt to be involved in boxing history. Watch the fight with Buster. His corner gives him no help. When he comes back to the corner after teking an ars kicking, his corner gives him a cheer and sends him back put. Come on man, c'mon Mike you can do it. Not 1 fookn ounce of guidance. His head movement cease to exist. Combos and footwork vanished. He set his feet tucked his chin and slung power shots aimlessly. When he was on track with Cus he was unbeatable. And absolutely the most feared fighter EVER!!

Cus died in Nov. 1985, Tyson won the title in Nov. 1986.

[Brandt Moat]

He went black real soon. His career went to hell in a hand basket real quick. I don't look up dates. Not sure if ya know it, but Nov. is the 2nd to last month of the year was that date supposed to be a point? I watched it. I experienced it. I don't have to look shyt up. He was ruined by his own. PERIOD

Cus died in Nov. 1985, Tyson won the title in Nov. 1986.