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  • HedgeHog
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 09-11-07
    • 10128

    #1
    SB.Com: SBR was right all long
    Hats off to SBR for having Sportsbook.com and its many subsidiaries rated below average. I also used to think they were underrated, only to be proven wrong by their Baseball and Football Ripoffs recently. Now I think their D+ is far too generous. Great job in exposing these crooks.
  • jjgold
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 07-20-05
    • 388179

    #2
    Sportsbook.com is a disgrace

    A very high risk book
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    • ShamsWoof10
      SBR MVP
      • 11-15-06
      • 4827

      #3
      JJ you know that's bullsh*t.... How can you call them high risk when there is not ONE reported case of them pulling a LENNY???? What promotion are you talking about..? I know you have to register or you don't get sh*t... Which is legit..

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      • jjgold
        SBR Aristocracy
        • 07-20-05
        • 388179

        #4
        I don't play at this book, they slow pay you also

        may reports of slow pays if you do searches on all the gambling forums

        This is a bad book
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        • HedgeHog
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 09-11-07
          • 10128

          #5
          Originally posted by ShamsWoof10
          JJ you know that's bullsh*t.... How can you call them high risk when there is not ONE reported case of them pulling a LENNY???? What promotion are you talking about..? I know you have to register or you don't get sh*t... Which is legit..

          Obviously it's not fair to compare SB.com to Cascade. However, SB.com has done some very shady things recently. Voiding winning Baseball bets because a pitcher's name is spelled wrong, and just this week they robbed clients of many thousands for parlays they deemed correlated after the fact. If you win big there, don't be surprised if they make up a rule to confiscate your winnings. I closed my account this week after over 5 years because of their outright theft.
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          • ShamsWoof10
            SBR MVP
            • 11-15-06
            • 4827

            #6
            Slow pay is correct about 3-4 weeks but to say high risk JJ is complete bullsh*t!!! I have read about the Correlated Parlays and as most know hardly any other book offers them in the same game so they may be just following along... I do Correlated If Bets there in the same game and have won after the parlay thing happened... So far the only thing I don't like is they don't give me my auto 10% re up at POnly like they used to... You guys are complaining about nickle dimer sh*t... How on earth is D rating to high now but OBVIOUSLY we can't compare them to Cascade... IF SBoo is very over rated at D but can't compare them to Cascade.. what the hell is Cascade a FFFFFFFFFF------------? Well there is no such thing... You guys are talking impulsively and inaccurately...

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            • DrunkenLullaby
              SBR MVP
              • 03-30-07
              • 1631

              #7
              Originally posted by ShamsWoof10
              I do Correlated If Bets there in the same game and have won after the parlay thing happened... You guys are complaining about nickle dimer sh*t...
              Shams, I hate to say this, but you are going to end up like those people who live in the Phoenix and vote for Sheriff Joe Arpaio and then one day they get pulled over for taking cough medicine and end up with a weekend in tent city. That's a bit of a convoluted analogy, but what I am saying is this. If you keep winning, they will one day rob your if-bet winnings exactly like they have robbed the corr parlay winners. Don't come crying to us then. Until then, good luck.
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              • SBR_John
                SBR Posting Legend
                • 07-12-05
                • 16471

                #8
                In SB's case the D+ rating is more tuned toward the service and overall quality of operation. If you go back even further a few years this is a book who openly did not care about customer problems. They were the lowest employee paying book in CR and had a very high turnover rate. Just poorly run and on the cheap. The audit became a famous slow pay technique. On the plus side, they always had a healthy selection of summer sports but those have long been watered down. Another positive is simply their name. Its a gold mine and its fair to assume they will stay in business. Hence; they may be slow and dont really care but you will pretty much always be paid.
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                • ShamsWoof10
                  SBR MVP
                  • 11-15-06
                  • 4827

                  #9
                  Originally posted by DrunkenLullaby
                  Shams, I hate to say this, but you are going to end up like those people who live in the Phoenix and vote for Sheriff Joe Arpaio and then one day they get pulled over for taking cough medicine and end up with a weekend in tent city. That's a bit of a convoluted analogy, but what I am saying is this. If you keep winning, they will one day rob your if-bet winnings exactly like they have robbed the corr parlay winners. Don't come crying to us then. Until then, good luck.
                  Oh come on Drunkin' you should know me better then to be the cry baby who comes to SBR for nickle dimer bullsh*t.. I don't play IF Bets a lot but here and there so I doubt they will f*ck with me... The time I didn't get my MLB promo is because I didn't register.. It's not their fault when I am wrong...

                  Originally posted by SBR_John
                  they may be slow and dont really care but you will pretty much always be paid.
                  Well isn't that what matters..? I have heard arguments from others that as long as they pay that is the single most important thing... I can honestly say I have never had issues with their CService...

                  I do like SBR but their ratings are as accurate as me outside 50 yards...F*CK IT...from the right hash even..and since I am left footed that is my weak hash...

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                  • HedgeHog
                    SBR Posting Legend
                    • 09-11-07
                    • 10128

                    #10
                    Shams: It'll never happen to me, just somebody else. That's the way I used to think. They will eventually crack down on your IFs just like they did with my pars. Sportsbook should be lowered to a D, not because of their slow pay, but because they change the results of Baseball and Football plays after the fact--without regard to Vegas rules or any other legit rules. Don't know how you can defend them, perhaps because they haven't screwed you....yet.
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                    • ShamsWoof10
                      SBR MVP
                      • 11-15-06
                      • 4827

                      #11
                      Originally posted by HedgeHog
                      Don't know how you can defend them, perhaps because they haven't screwed you....yet.
                      Sir that is all a matter of perspective... Remember I was in the batch that took two months or longer to get paid... I just didn't b*tch or consider that I got screwed over... Some people look at that exact same thing as getting screwed over... They would also look at not getting their promo as getting screwed where as I know it was my error... I have seen posts where other books (Greek and 5Dimes) change bets for less.. This complaint is not at all just... If they do take one of my If bets it will make up for all the ones I hit as well as all the bad lines I took they let me keep... People don't remember the good only the bad... Typical of people...

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                      • HedgeHog
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 09-11-07
                        • 10128

                        #12
                        Originally posted by ShamsWoof10
                        Sir that is all a matter of perspective... Remember I was in the batch that took two months or longer to get paid... I just didn't b*tch or consider that I got screwed over... Some people look at that exact same thing as getting screwed over... They would also look at not getting their promo as getting screwed where as I know it was my error... I have seen posts where other books (Greek and 5Dimes) change bets for less.. This complaint is not at all just... If they do take one of my If bets it will make up for all the ones I hit as well as all the bad lines I took they let me keep... People don't remember the good only the bad... Typical of people...

                        Slow pay is a lot different than no pay, and I won't be paid for the 9 large they stole. And what's to stop SB from going back several months and confiscating more than the profit of just 1 If bet in your case. When they decide to screw you, they'll do it big time.

                        And you're wrong about people not remembering the good. Sportsbook.com is one of the easiest books to beat and I've been doing so for years. I have taken them for many times the 9k they stole. So I should excuse the robbery because of all the money I won over the years? What kind of backwards thinking is that?
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                        • ShamsWoof10
                          SBR MVP
                          • 11-15-06
                          • 4827

                          #13
                          Originally posted by HedgeHog
                          And you're wrong about people not remembering the good. Sportsbook.com is one of the easiest books to beat and I've been doing so for years. I have taken them for many times the 9k they stole. So I should excuse the robbery because of all the money I won over the years? What kind of backwards thinking is that?
                          No I'm not...and I am not wrong when I point out that other top rated books don't except those type of bets... They should have made it a point to tell people they are changing their policy I do agree and I expect at some point my IF's might be regraded... The mods have mentioned it so I expect it... I don't do IF's enough to care to be honest... As long as they don't change a straight or stiff me on a payout I am happy with their lines, setup, promos, and pretty much everything else...

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                          • HedgeHog
                            SBR Posting Legend
                            • 09-11-07
                            • 10128

                            #14
                            The books that outlaw correlated pars/Ifs do so with their software, (the bet is not accepted), not by waiting for the final results and decide whether it's too correlated (obviously doing so to their benefit in SB's case). And yes, I withdrew the rest of balance, the part they decided not to steal. I expect to get it by check in 3 weeks--on par for a D Book.
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                            • DrunkenLullaby
                              SBR MVP
                              • 03-30-07
                              • 1631

                              #15
                              Originally posted by ShamsWoof10
                              No I'm not...and I am not wrong when I point out that other top rated books don't except those type of bets... They should have made it a point to tell people they are changing their policy I do agree and I expect at some point my IF's might be regraded... The mods have mentioned it so I expect it... I don't do IF's enough to care to be honest... As long as they don't change a straight or stiff me on a payout I am happy with their lines, setup, promos, and pretty much everything else...

                              Shams, Olympic very often accepts correlated pars. They don't accept all, but do accept some. How they determine which ones they accept and which they don't no-one knows. If they aren't a "top-rated book", I don't know who is. But, if they accept a bet, they pay. Therein lies the crucial difference.

                              Hedgehog & I are not trying to get you all riled up, but mark our words that someday they will treat you in an unjust manner, IF you consistently beat them. It's a new regime there.
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                              • ShamsWoof10
                                SBR MVP
                                • 11-15-06
                                • 4827

                                #16
                                Originally posted by DrunkenLullaby
                                Shams, Olympic very often accepts correlated pars. They don't accept all, but do accept some. How they determine which ones they accept and which they don't no-one knows. If they aren't a "top-rated book", I don't know who is. But, if they accept a bet, they pay. Therein lies the crucial difference.

                                Hedgehog & I are not trying to get you all riled up, but mark our words that someday they will treat you in an unjust manner, IF you consistently beat them. It's a new regime there.
                                You could very well be right they might do something to make me eat my words but I really don't do much to give them the chance... 90% of my plays are straights and of those straights after being a part of this forum I don't bet any really bad lines... After reading this I logged into my account and tried to correlate tonights game and the software wouldn't take it... They did get a new interface and as with all new things it needed adjustment... I would say they should give you your winnings of course but this incident doesn't even make me flintch with regards to my balance with them...

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                                • HedgeHog
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 09-11-07
                                  • 10128

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by SBR_John
                                  Hence; they may be slow and dont really care but you will pretty much always be paid.
                                  Yes, but only what they feel they owe you!
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                                  • SBR_John
                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                    • 07-12-05
                                    • 16471

                                    #18
                                    Right. Thats why I said "pretty much". They will not always pay.
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                                    • JBC77
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 03-23-07
                                      • 3816

                                      #19
                                      I called them up once, about a year ago to inquire about opening an account. The person on the phone could barely speak English. Thats all I had to hear.......

                                      That and they couldn't answer any of my questions.

                                      Seemed like the place was run out of a wooden shack in the cocaine fields of Columbia.
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                                      • ShamsWoof10
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 11-15-06
                                        • 4827

                                        #20
                                        I still say based on ticket numbers, account numbers, and some other factors that Sportsbook.com still has the largest cliental in the industry... This tells me they are financially stable if most bettors lose..

                                        I have a pending payout for $800 that they won't put in my account or send me the check because they have been asking for my info. (ID, CC, and statement of CC) because I used my CC under my brother's account as well as mine... I called them and told them I'll get it to sooner or later I am just too lazy right now... I am not going to cry to SBR on sh*t like this either as others would... When I get my as* up and fax my sh*t I am sure they will take care of it... As I mentioned "Drunkin'" Shams doesn't go around crying about nickle dimer sh*t... Some books like 5Dimes and SIA would confiscate your winnings for using two accounts on one computer and in this case two accounts on one computer twice. his and mine both log into our accounts... We are legit brothers that do not try and max. bet between two accounts... He's a member of TheRx and I woof SBR... I am new he's been there for 7 years I think...

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                                        • HedgeHog
                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                          • 09-11-07
                                          • 10128

                                          #21
                                          [QUOTE=ShamsWoof10;380265]I still say based on ticket numbers, account numbers, and some other factors that Sportsbook.com still has the largest cliental in the industry... This tells me they are financially stable if most bettors lose..

                                          Uh, BetonSports was huge, too. Want to send 10k there?
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                                          • ShamsWoof10
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 11-15-06
                                            • 4827

                                            #22
                                            BOS couldn't hold SBoo's jock!!! I think some common sense is in order here... Talk about giving away the house were they the ones that offered 50% Bonus plus a stripper for every reload, Loyalty points, and a six pack of beer with every bet..?

                                            Comparing BOS to SBoo is like comparing Cascade to SBoo...

                                            No way in hell they are a D book...

                                            SBR to try one from 31 yards out..... NO GOOD WIDE LEFT!!!

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                                            • DrunkenLullaby
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 03-30-07
                                              • 1631

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by ShamsWoof10
                                              No way in hell they are a D book...
                                              Finally a point we all agree on!
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                                              • ShamsWoof10
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 11-15-06
                                                • 4827

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by HedgeHog
                                                Hats off to SBR for having Sportsbook.com and its many subsidiaries rated below average. I also used to think they were underrated, only to be proven wrong by their Baseball and Football Ripoffs recently. Now I think their D+ is far too generous. Great job in exposing these crooks.
                                                Since I play with Sportsbook.com and like them I am courious about this situation... Would you please post your parlay ticket..?

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                                                • HedgeHog
                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                  • 09-11-07
                                                  • 10128

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by ShamsWoof10
                                                  Since I play with Sportsbook.com and like them I am courious about this situation... Would you please post your parlay ticket..?

                                                  First off, thank you for bringing the discussion back to a SB.com thread. There are dozens of such tickets involved for this six week period. Also I'm not sure how to transfer that info over here (cut & paste?), and would the Mods allow it? I can tell you that all the bets were college football, parlaying Dogs to Unders, and Favs to Overs in the same game. Admittedly, some of the pars were more heavily correlated than others.
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                                                  • SBR_John
                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                    • 07-12-05
                                                    • 16471

                                                    #26
                                                    Sham what would you rate Sportsbook.com knowing what you do about them?
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                                                    • jjgold
                                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                                      • 07-20-05
                                                      • 388179

                                                      #27
                                                      Sportsbook.com is a huge risk book and you are playing russian roulette with your money. I advise no one to play there. If you win anything decent they will put you through an investigation and you will never get paid
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                                                      • ShamsWoof10
                                                        SBR MVP
                                                        • 11-15-06
                                                        • 4827

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by SBR_John
                                                        Sham what would you rate Sportsbook.com knowing what you do about them?
                                                        Good question and I think being consistant is key... I would say before this parlay incident that a B- would be about right and this is also relative to the other books ratings... To me when I see Sportsbook.com a D- and considered over rated at that with Cascade being an F I think there is no correlation to these ratings and not much thought either...

                                                        After this parlay incident I would drop them down to a C and ask them to fix their software if they haven't already done so... If they have I would say C+ and give them credit for a little hussle... HDog says his parlays were colllege football and I can't test the software to see if that it still allows it because the totals are not up yet... It does allow it in the NFL and I am only guessing that none of those parlays were NFL bets ...is this true..? They have corrected the bases though I do know that...

                                                        I say a C because over all they are still very good but their CS can be better... They are slow pay but 3 weeks is NOT unheard of... If they made the adjustments I would consider raising them back up to the B status after a brief time... I assume switching interface and changing rules will have a little ripple as it did with Royal but it's in their terms that they can do that.. Let's face it this is not totally unjust as we all know about correlated parlays and how other books treat them...

                                                        The Greek didn't get any reaction for the incident where they cancelled a bet that "THEY" thought was a "bad line" and it wasn't really off by more then pennies... You can't react with one book and not another...


                                                        Originally posted by jjgold
                                                        Sportsbook.com is a huge risk book and you are playing russian roulette with your money. I advise no one to play there. If you win anything decent they will put you through an investigation and you will never get paid
                                                        Beside the correlated parlay incident has there been an incident where they refused to pay or in short pulled a Lenny..? Now as I mentioned they did not confiscate my winnings they just asked me to send some info. since I used my cc with TWO different accounts.. SIA would not pay me but Sportsbook.com and fairly enough just wants info... Well I am too lazy now to do it and I don't want to give some "Rite-Aid" worker my info. to see and fax so I am waiting until this week when my buddy brings over his fax machine... I know my money is fine but if they were a true D book I would be worried about my payout.. Actually they asked me 5 times before floating my payout...

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                                                        • SBR_John
                                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                                          • 07-12-05
                                                          • 16471

                                                          #29
                                                          I think they are a D+ not D- unless they have been downgraded recently.

                                                          Bill and Justin and the team need to look at that D+ imo. Books that take money after the game is over have no idea where the honor line is drawn. It could be a serious sign of trouble.
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                                                          • ShamsWoof10
                                                            SBR MVP
                                                            • 11-15-06
                                                            • 4827

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by SBR_John
                                                            I think they are a D+ not D- unless they have been downgraded recently.

                                                            Bill and Justin and the team need to look at that D+ imo. Books that take money after the game is over have no idea where the honor line is drawn. It could be a serious sign of trouble.
                                                            I forgot to add that even before the whole withdraw thread they were only a C+ so there is history of SBR being as on as an FSU kicker vs. Miami... You know I like that... it's a good fit.. most of the time the ratings are ok but it's against that one or two when it's way off...

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                                                            • SBR_John
                                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                                              • 07-12-05
                                                              • 16471

                                                              #31
                                                              Tell your wide right reasoning to the 31 guys who had $181,000 confiscated by making bets that were allowed.

                                                              I actually think our rating on Sportsbook.com has been sharp over the years. The D+ seems high now but we had no idea they would resort to this kind of stealing.
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                                                              • ShamsWoof10
                                                                SBR MVP
                                                                • 11-15-06
                                                                • 4827

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by SBR_John
                                                                Tell your wide right reasoning to the 31 guys who had $181,000 confiscated by making bets that were allowed.

                                                                I actually think our rating on Sportsbook.com has been sharp over the years. The D+ seems high now but we had no idea they would resort to this kind of stealing.
                                                                That's fine but how come no reaction when the Greek or 5Dimes does it and talk about rude CS this Tony guy doesn't sound like someone I want to have a beer with... Now I am not saying 5Dimes sucks either and when they or another book ALLLLLOWS a bet due to a bad line or what they might consider a bad line and take the winnings back the only reaction is.........

                                                                Can you please confirm if any of those parlays where NFL..?

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                                                                • louis
                                                                  SBR Wise Guy
                                                                  • 09-23-06
                                                                  • 763

                                                                  #33
                                                                  I would like to thank SBR for their honest and valuable ratings.

                                                                  First we were warned about Bet On Sports, at a time that every other portal was trumping them and they were big and popular, and sure enough they ended up going town the toilet. They had some juicy bets and I would have bet there if it wasn't for the warnings, and I would have lost money there is no question about it. If it was not for SBR, I would have thought they were big enough to be financially stable.

                                                                  Next we were warned and are still being warned about sportsbook.com, large, popular, and big, but definitely not like they use to be. This is another book that has and does offer some juicy bets, but I have stayed away from because of SBR ratings and also poster warnings. There is no way they can stay in business.

                                                                  There is no doubt no matter how big and popular, take SBR ratings seriously.

                                                                  I admire the way they have picked the winners and losers amongst sportsbooks.
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                                                                  • ShamsWoof10
                                                                    SBR MVP
                                                                    • 11-15-06
                                                                    • 4827

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by louis
                                                                    This is another book that has and does offer some juicy bets, but I have stayed away from because of SBR ratings and also poster warnings. There is no way they can stay in business.
                                                                    There is no doubt no matter how big and popular, take SBR ratings seriously.
                                                                    Well let's see you use to think that BOS was solid even though they gave ridiculously high bonuses... I used to get sh*t that offered 100% split up with 50% bonus or whatever it was... They also had soft lines to boot... You needed SBR to tell you it was a sinking ship..??? They gave the house away and if you thought they were solid after that then I don't know what to tell you... Sportsbook.com gives good promos but they don't give crazy sign up bonuses...10% is it... I mean damn I wasn't even that knowledgeable about books back in the BOS days but I even knew without ever playing with or talking to people that have that they are running something that is not sustainable...

                                                                    Making that statement that is in bold is speculation based on fear... How do you people come up with such statements..? Oh there is no way huh..? Well just like the w/draw people I'll talk to you about them STILL being in business next football season... This forum can turn into FEAR central awfully fast...

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                                                                    • tblues2005
                                                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                      • 07-30-06
                                                                      • 9235

                                                                      #35
                                                                      I respect SBR Ratings also, I have always considered SBR's ratings and have only stuck with the "A" books because they seem to be as the most solid books to play at and I only have accounts just at a few of these books that pay very quickly. I would have probably got with a BOS book if it wasn't for me coming here first and I want to say thanks for the good information that you have given me to make sure that I am with a solid book and don't have to worry about being paid from them, that makes life easier to not have to worry about being paid from a book if I win some cash.
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