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    Antonio Gates Retiring, is he the best tight end we've ever seen?

    I say Gronk in his prime over anyone, it is debatable though.

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    tony g was better

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    Tough to argue against that.

    On any one play though?

    I say Gronk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevek173 View Post
    Tough to argue against that.

    On any one play though?

    I say Gronk.
    yah gronk is a freak of nature wonder if he will come back gotta think kraft will offer him a ton

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    Kittle

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    I would think so

    They definitely need him

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    Quote Originally Posted by rm18 View Post
    Kittle
    Off to a good start for sure

    Sharpe was awesome but I didn't like all that ripping on Marino - at all

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    tight ends are never used enough in football

    with the running quarterbacks these days, they should be used even more

    so the greateast is yet to come once coaches become as smart as me

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    No one will be as good as Gronk for at least 50 years

    He is a freak of nature, a freak of evolution

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    One of best
    Hard to say who is best

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    On paper it's Tony Gonzalez (most yards, most catches, most TDs) with numbers tough to beat.

    Ditka wasn't bad either.

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    Gronk was an excellent blocker. A few of these guys were not that interested in the dirty work.
    Not sure if any of his contemporaries were treated the same by the refs either.

    I do love Kittles attitude.

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    if Ditka had modern healing methods he would be the GOAT.

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    So many great tight ends in the NFL
    Seems like every team has a beast

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    Gonzalez and Gronk neck & neck for greatest TE ever.

    At some points it looked as if Gates or Graham would be but they fell off.

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    It's a position that's evolved so much it's impossible to state a 'BEST' of all time, only maybe best of decade, etc.

    The game Ditka played was vastly different than Jay Novacheck, Mark Bavarro or Steve Jordan and that was different than the Sharpe or Whitten era then enter Tony G and Gronk which are basically primary targets versus what was a blocking position a generation ago and you cannot compare.

    Gates good, nothing special. Had an offense and a game designed around him. Never won anything. Tony G, with better stats, Gronk with more meaningful career. Gates #3 or #4 in his own prime, in a position still evolving and underrepresented in the HOF.

    Until Bavarro and Jordan get in, Gates no HOF for me.
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    Gates top 20, sure
    GOAT, no way
    He had good years
    Maybe a HOF candidate
    Nifty fantasy player 10 years ago

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    I figured since he didn't get singed and didn't play this year that he was retired.

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    He had some great seasons though.

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    larry fitz coming back next season

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    Quote Originally Posted by MinnesotaFats View Post
    It's a position that's evolved so much it's impossible to state a 'BEST' of all time, only maybe best of decade, etc.

    The game Ditka played was vastly different than Jay Novacheck, Mark Bavarro or Steve Jordan and that was different than the Sharpe or Whitten era then enter Tony G and Gronk which are basically primary targets versus what was a blocking position a generation ago and you cannot compare.

    Gates good, nothing special. Had an offense and a game designed around him. Never won anything. Tony G, with better stats, Gronk with more meaningful career. Gates #3 or #4 in his own prime, in a position still evolving and underrepresented in the HOF.

    Until Bavarro and Jordan get in, Gates no HOF for me.
    Steve Jordan is not a HOFer.

    Neither is your boy Kirk Cousins.
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    easy Hall of fame. I"m not sure how many 3 time first team all pros at skill positions are not in.

    even if he was a wide receiver his stats stack up VERY well. But basically the trendsetter for the new era in tight ends.

    Rank Player TD Years Tm
    1 Jerry Rice+ 197 1985-2004 3TM
    2 Randy Moss+ 156 1998-2012 5TM
    3 Terrell Owens+ 153 1996-2010 5TM
    4 Cris Carter+ 130 1987-2002 3TM
    5 Marvin Harrison+ 128 1996-2008 clt
    6 Larry Fitzgerald 120 2004-2019 crd
    7 Antonio Gates 116 2003-2018 sdg
    8 Tony Gonzalez+ 111 1997-2013 2TM
    9 Tim Brown+ 100 1988-2004 2TM
    Steve Largent+ 100 1976-1989 sea
    11 Don Hutson+ 99 1935-1945 gnb
    12 Isaac Bruce 91 1994-2009 2TM
    13 Don Maynard+ 88 1958-1973 3TM
    14 Andre Reed+ 87 1985-2000 2TM
    15 Lance Alworth+ 85 1962-1972 2TM
    Hines Ward 85 1998-2011 pit

    Rank Player Yds Years Tm
    1 Jerry Rice+ 22,895 1985-2004 3TM
    2 Larry Fitzgerald 17,083 2004-2019 crd
    3 Terrell Owens+ 15,934 1996-2010 5TM
    4 Randy Moss+ 15,292 1998-2012 5TM
    5 Isaac Bruce 15,208 1994-2009 2TM
    6 Tony Gonzalez+ 15,127 1997-2013 2TM
    7 Tim Brown+ 14,934 1988-2004 2TM
    8 Steve Smith 14,731 2001-2016 2TM
    9 Marvin Harrison+ 14,580 1996-2008 clt
    10 Reggie Wayne 14,345 2001-2014 clt
    11 Andre Johnson 14,185 2003-2016 3TM
    12 James Lofton+ 14,004 1978-1993 5TM
    13 Cris Carter+ 13,899 1987-2002 3TM
    14 Anquan Boldin 13,779 2003-2016 4TM
    15 Henry Ellard 13,777 1983-1998 3TM
    16 Torry Holt 13,382 1999-2009 2TM
    17 Andre Reed+ 13,198 1985-2000 2TM
    18 Steve Largent+ 13,089 1976-1989 sea
    19 Jason Witten 12,977 2003-2019 dal
    20 Irving Fryar 12,785 1984-2000 4TM
    21 Art Monk+ 12,721 1980-1995 3TM
    22 Brandon Marshall 12,351 2006-2018 6TM
    23 Jimmy Smith 12,287 1992-2005 2TM
    24 Charlie Joiner+ 12,146 1969-1986 3TM
    25 Julio Jones 12,125 2011-2019 atl
    Rank Player Yds Years Tm
    26 Hines Ward 12,083 1998-2011 pit
    27 Derrick Mason 12,061 1997-2011 4TM
    28 Michael Irvin+ 11,904 1988-1999 dal
    29 Antonio Gates 11,841 2003-2018 sdg
    30 Don Maynard+ 11,834 1958-1973 3TM
    31 Calvin Johnson 11,619 2007-2015 det


    Rank Player Rec Years Tm
    1 Jerry Rice+ 1,549 1985-2004 3TM
    2 Larry Fitzgerald 1,378 2004-2019 crd
    3 Tony Gonzalez+ 1,325 1997-2013 2TM
    4 Jason Witten 1,215 2003-2019 dal
    5 Marvin Harrison+ 1,102 1996-2008 clt
    6 Cris Carter+ 1,101 1987-2002 3TM
    7 Tim Brown+ 1,094 1988-2004 2TM
    8 Terrell Owens+ 1,078 1996-2010 5TM
    9 Anquan Boldin 1,076 2003-2016 4TM
    10 Reggie Wayne 1,070 2001-2014 clt
    11 Andre Johnson 1,062 2003-2016 3TM
    12 Steve Smith 1,031 2001-2016 2TM
    13 Isaac Bruce 1,024 1994-2009 2TM
    14 Hines Ward 1,000 1998-2011 pit
    15 Randy Moss+ 982 1998-2012 5TM
    16 Brandon Marshall 970 2006-2018 6TM
    17 Antonio Gates 955 2003-2018 sdg
    18 Andre Reed+ 951 1985-2000 2TM
    19 Derrick Mason 943 1997-2011 4TM
    20 Art Monk+ 940 1980-1995 3TM

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    Tony Gonzalez was durable and a go to guy. Gronk was a mismatch nightmare and great blocker. Give me Tony Gonzalez as best TE ever, and Gronk as the most dominating ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trevor123698 View Post
    if Ditka had modern healing methods he would be the GOAT.
    This

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAKEPEAVY21 View Post
    Steve Jordan is not a HOFer.

    Neither is your boy Kirk Cousins.
    Steve Jordan is a 6 time pro bowler 86-92. No other TE played in 6 straight in that era.

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    do Pro Bowls matter?

    if they do, Gates has 8 Pro Bowls

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    SteveK grading adult tight ends.

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    He looked old this year and he retire..

    Jason Witten showed up better coming back at his advanced age IMO..

    Gates was a player though just like Witten..

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    Jason Witten surprisingly returned to the Dallas Cowboys after a stint on "Monday Night Football" in 2018, becoming a mentor toward the younger Dallas Cowboys players while chasing that elusive Super Bowl title. While Witten's dream of winning a Super Bowl with the Cowboys may have been dashed, his NFL career may not be over just yet.

    Per ESPN's Chris Mortensen, Witten hasn't ruled out playing a 17th season in the NFL and could reunite with Jason Garrett with the New York Giants. Garrett was named the offensive coordinator in New York after spending the past nine seasons with the Dallas Cowboys, which could entice Witten to join him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MinnesotaFats View Post
    Steve Jordan is a 6 time pro bowler 86-92. No other TE played in 6 straight in that era.
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