[funnyb25]

Warriors take the next 2 probably. NBA needed this one.

[funnyb25]

Why is this concept so hard to understand?

NBA owns what goes on..if they need a game to go a certain way, the game will go that way.

[Eddy Munny]

To become a "made man" in the NBA takes more than just talent. You have to play their game, not just the game.

It's a wild notion on the surface, but when I saw Curry take the dive against Cleveland in game 7 to give Lebron a title in a Cavs jersey, it effectively pointed to what KVB is alluding to. It's the same thing in entertainment... you want the notoriety and the big bucks, you have to be willing to submit. It's not good enough to be just a talented singer or actor.

[Harry N. Lloyd]

Why is this concept so hard to understand?

NBA owns what goes on..if they need a game to go a certain way, the game will go that way.

You started off your thread by complaining about 2 missed FG's in the final minute......something about it all being scripted.

Now you're saying that the NBA owns what goes on.

So, I'm just curious Lt. Columbo--do you think the NBA is telling the players to miss lay ups or the refs to prolong a series?

[kingdom]

You started off your thread by complaining about 2 missed FG's in the final minute......something about it all being scripted.

Now you're saying that the NBA owns what goes on.

So, I'm just curious Lt. Columbo--do you think the NBA is telling the players to miss lay ups or the refs to prolong a series?

according to the 7 miilion threads on this topic after every close game, they obviously believe both. there is a secret phone line to the players and they get "the text" lol.

[TheMoneyShot]

But can someone just answer the question? Why Curry and Thompson didn't foul??? Do we say awe.... shucks.... 17 seconds to go.... I guess we lost. Damn I'm tired?

I think there's a basketball team that tied a game up down by 7 with 8 seconds to go before. So why give up now? Especially the hottest shooters of G.S.

Look at the timeline... Curry blows the layup. First thing you say to yourself... damn I fukked up... I have to foul now. Not only he blows the layup.... but then he decides not to foul. Some Twilight Zone sh#$ going down.

Obviously someone knew the line was at Houston -4 for a considerable amount of time before the game started.

[KVB]

...or the refs to prolong a series?

I'm not going to weigh in either way tonight. I entered the thread to show the weakness of the gym bag of money and risking it all argument.

But as far as the NBA telling refs, that's exactly what Tim Donaghy and his lawyers claimed publicly after he was already busted for gambling. The scandal was basically over when they made the claim.

The NBA used the gambling to discredit him publicly and then went on to sue Donaghy for the cost of every pair of shoes they provided to for every game he officiated, among other things.

It was like that.

Again, not going to weigh in on it all tonight, just offering some facts.

[kingdom]

Donaghy is the hero of all theorists, but he has the credibility of a flea. seems more he was a degenerate on the take. did he have one shred of evidence? he wasn't exactly known as a stand up guy.

[KVB]

Donaghy is the hero of all theorists, but he has the credibility of a flea. seems more he was a degenerate on the take. did he have one shred of evidence? he wasn't exactly known as a stand up guy.

What's a "theorist"?

I'm not going on what things "seem" like, that "seems" pointless.

I don't if he had any evidence. But if anyone would know, it would be the ref of the game.

Not sure what his degenerate status or whether or not he was a stand up guy has to do with anything. It's wholly irrelevant.

But the NBA did sue for the cost of the shoes in retaliation and led a public burial campaign. It sounds like you saw the campaign, unless of course you are saying you knew Donaghy personally.

Like I said, I'm not going to weigh in the subject at hand, but the "arguments" that get formed on both sides are often very weak or not very creative.

It always ends up that way.

[Demonata]

To become a "made man" in the NBA takes more than just talent. You have to play their game, not just the game.

It's a wild notion on the surface, but when I saw Curry take the dive against Cleveland in game 7 to give Lebron a title in a Cavs jersey, it effectively pointed to what KVB is alluding to. It's the same thing in entertainment... you want the notoriety and the big bucks, you have to be willing to submit. It's not good enough to be just a talented singer or actor.

The dive? You think he missed the 3s on purpose? So you are saying the nba players can shoot 100% from 3 if they wanted to? Like tonight houston down 3 with 40 seconds left the fix was in fir harden to make the crazy 3 pointer?

[Cuse0323]

I don’t think this is the game to call rigged. GS wouldn’t have fought back if so. Much easier to fix without sending it to OT.

[The Kraken]

What's a "theorist"?

I'm not going on what things "seem" like, that "seems" pointless.

I don't if he had any evidence. But if anyone would know, it would be the ref of the game.

Not sure what his degenerate status or whether or not he was a stand up guy has to do with anything. It's wholly irrelevant.

But the NBA did sue for the cost of the shoes in retaliation and led a public burial campaign. It sounds like you saw the campaign, unless of course you are saying you knew Donaghy personally.

Like I said, I'm not going to weigh in the subject at hand, but the "arguments" that get formed on both sides are often very weak or not very creative.

It always ends up that way.

Im sorry we bore you

Must be tough to be so intellectual in an average world

[Cuse0323]

Im sorry we bore you

Must be tough to be so intellectual in an average world

Take it back. It takes an intellectual bastard to fade the public.

[NrmlCurvSurfr]

Steph has a net worth over $100,000,000

Guarantee you he fixed that game for a cool $10,000

But he waited until OT, smart dude

What if its more like wrestling? Individuals not fixing games for their own gain, but for the story line, as a whole...ive always thought that if sports aren't scripted, they should be...fool the people and create drama, more games, more excitement, opportunities to wager, all of it...wrestling might be the most "real" sport out there...at least the don't hide it...and if pro sports are 100% legit, leagues should be attempting to do what I'm talking about...it would almost certainly increase profits...as long as you keep the masses believing its legit and uninfluenced

[kingdom]

What's a "theorist"?

I'm not going on what things "seem" like, that "seems" pointless.

I don't if he had any evidence. But if anyone would know, it would be the ref of the game.

Not sure what his degenerate status or whether or not he was a stand up guy has to do with anything. It's wholly irrelevant.

But the NBA did sue for the cost of the shoes in retaliation and led a public burial campaign. It sounds like you saw the campaign, unless of course you are saying you knew Donaghy personally.

Like I said, I'm not going to weigh in the subject at hand, but the "arguments" that get formed on both sides are often very weak or not very creative.

It always ends up that way.

i assumed theorist was self explanatory. but there is google if not. omg did they really sue for the cost of shoes? oh the evil empire lol.

[kingdom]

What if its more like wrestling? Individuals not fixing games for their own gain, but for the story line, as a whole...ive always thought that if sports aren't scripted, they should be...fool the people and create drama, more games, more excitement, opportunities to wager, all of it...wrestling might be the most "real" sport out there...at least the don't hide it...and if pro sports are 100% legit, leagues should be attempting to do what I'm talking about...it would almost certainly increase profits...as long as you keep the masses believing its legit and uninfluenced

when you have the best athletes in the world compete against each other such foolishness is unnecessary. i am trying to be careful not to be insulting because some of this sounds so idiotic. especially coming from men who wager on these events they assume are fixed lol. does the fastest guy at the olympics slow down to make the race more interesting? the random outcome of sports is why people watch. the greeks and romans realized this a long time ago. you don't have to script an outcome. the regular season is a book and the playoffs and championship are the ending. and networks pay billions of dollars to broadcast based on that. there is your script.

[NrmlCurvSurfr]

when you have the best athletes in the world compete against each other such foolishness is unnecessary. i am trying to be careful not to be insulting because some of this sounds so idiotic. especially coming from men who wager on these events they assume are fixed lol. does the fastest guy at the olympics slow down to make the race more interesting? the random outcome of sports is why people watch. the greeks and romans realized this a long time ago. you don't have to script an outcome. the regular season is a book and the playoffs and championship are the ending. and networks pay billions of dollars to broadcast based on that. there is your script.

there is always room for improvement...thats all I'm saying

[kingdom]

there is always room for improvement...thats all I'm saying

boxing is real and participants make hundreds of millions of dollars while the known scripted wrestlers come nowhere near that. this non risk as someone called it earlier is untrue. there is a risk. no sport wants to be wrestling. viewers are easy to acquire in sports. add more offense. every sport in america is craving more offense because thats what the people want. not scripted outcomes lol.

[NrmlCurvSurfr]

boxing is real and participants make hundreds of millions of dollars while the known scripted wrestlers come nowhere near that. this non risk as someone called it earlier is untrue. there is a risk. no sport wants to be wrestling. viewers are easy to acquire in sports. add more offense. every sport in america is craving more offense because thats what the people want. not scripted outcomes lol.

you don't want the viewers to know it's scripted...you want them to swear its not...wresting works because its pure entertainment, people know its scripted, like a movie or tv show...my point is to create the same kind of drama and story lines but have people believe its 100% real...how much do all pro boxers earn per year vs all mlb, or nfl, or nba...start scripting these pro leagues and you are talking huge revenues...forget what you are paying the players...

[kingdom]

you don't want the viewers to know it's scripted...you want them to swear its not...wresting works because its pure entertainment, people know its scripted, like a movie or tv show...my point is to create the same kind of drama and story lines but have people believe its 100% real...how much do all pro boxers earn per year vs all mlb, or nfl, or nba...start scripting these pro leagues and you are talking huge revenues...forget what you are paying the players...

the greatness of sports is you don't have to script it. its actually so good that guys like you and others believe it is so as it is too good to be true. free agency is drama that last for seasons. kevin durant. lebron james. bryce harper. these athletes are as big and rich as most movie stars. with endorsements to back it. men like drama as well, but preferably in sports. you want the real outcome. so while our women watch reality tv to get their drama fix, men are satisfied by the drama in sports. take the authenticity away and you lose all of that. there lies the risk. the product works. take a peak at the tv contracts and tell me what scripted shows are making that.

[NrmlCurvSurfr]

my whole point is...a few extra game's and extended series can only help the leagues...if they aren't trying for a least that, then they aren't trying hard enough imo...i think they can do more than that...but i understand they also need to appear legit...

[NrmlCurvSurfr]

the greatness of sports is you don't have to script it. its actually so good that guys like you and others believe it is so as it is too good to be true. free agency is drama that last for seasons. kevin durant. lebron james. bryce harper. these athletes are as big and rich as most movie stars. with endorsements to back it. men like drama as well, but preferably in sports. you want the real outcome. so while our women watch reality tv to get their drama fix, men are satisfied by the drama in sports. take the authenticity away and you lose all of that. there lies the risk. the product works. take a peak at the tv contracts and tell me what scripted shows are making that.

im not saying it's scripted...im saying if its not, it should be...

[kingdom]

im not saying it's scripted...im saying if its not, it should be...

and i will end saying the risk does not equal the already apparent rewards.

[MiDNiTe]

1 person snitches and careers are over laughable curry would risk that, no nba all star wants to go down the.Pete rose path

[NrmlCurvSurfr]

most people will believe its not scripted...let the people who get their fix from watching sports, believe its real...let the leagues fool men with "reality" leagues just like they do with women with "reality" shows...

[The Kraken]

What if its more like wrestling? Individuals not fixing games for their own gain, but for the story line, as a whole...ive always thought that if sports aren't scripted, they should be...fool the people and create drama, more games, more excitement, opportunities to wager, all of it...wrestling might be the most "real" sport out there...at least the don't hide it...and if pro sports are 100% legit, leagues should be attempting to do what I'm talking about...it would almost certainly increase profits...as long as you keep the masses believing its legit and uninfluenced

But thats not how sports play out. Rarely is the outcome the best story line. Rarely is it the two teams we want to see and often the finish is anti-climatic

I get your point and in that context I could understand fixing games but I just dont see the entertainment value in a lot of endings

[The Kraken]

Take it back. It takes an intellectual bastard to fade the public.

I’m giving credit to kvb for being an intellectual bastard. He’s way more of an intellect than I am, he’s smarter than I am and if I ever forget, he’ll politely remind me

[The Kraken]

my whole point is...a few extra game's and extended series can only help the leagues...if they aren't trying for a least that, then they aren't trying hard enough imo...i think they can do more than that...but i understand they also need to appear legit...

Then why so many sweeps? To keep up the appearance? But that would defeat the entire purpose of fixing for the financial gain of the nba which would be to extend series

Its like the bible, makes no sense except to that believe it

[NrmlCurvSurfr]

But thats not how sports play out. Rarely is the outcome the best story line. Rarely is it the two teams we want to see and often the finish is anti-climatic

I get your point and in that context I could understand fixing games but I just dont see the entertainment value in a lot of endings

If leagues are not influencing ANYTHING, then they are missing out...find a way to do it...period...there is money to be made in steering the story line...and of course risk, but when has that stopped anyone from taking a chance

[The Kraken]

If leagues are not influencing ANYTHING, then they are missing out...find a way to do it...period...there is money to be made in steering the story line...and of course risk, but when has that stopped anyone from taking a chance

Im not disagreeing with you, and I dont even know if they’re not, just saying from my perspective if they are doing it they’re doing a poor job

Im speaking specifically about intra-game play and outcomes related directly to game play. Outside of the actually game, I do believe the leagues are influencing different aspects that have a real impact and even favor certain teams or styles of play

[NrmlCurvSurfr]

Im not disagreeing with you, and I dont even know if they’re not, just saying from my perspective if they are doing it they’re doing a poor job

Im speaking specifically about intra-game play and outcomes related directly to game play. Outside of the actually game, I do believe the leagues are influencing different aspects that have a real impact and even favor certain teams or styles of play

if you know people are going to watch the entire season, then the individual episodes have less significance, they will tune in next time...thats all you have to do is keep them coming back...sure a bad episode with an unpopular ending...who cares, you've got them hooked...they will be back, with a very short term memory...

[Booya711]

Weakest type of post one can make on this topic.

The reasoning makes no sense because the premise doesn’t lead to the conclusion.

Why bring up a 50k gym bag when you already acknowledged he got paid millions?

You don’t think millions are enough to do your job?

You think it takes a 50k gym bag to push him over the edge?

And what risk are you talking about?

The player gets paid to do a job and nobody offers a promise to, nor is anybody obligated to provide a “fair” matchup.

It’s entertainment.

We talked about this KVB...these guys here at SBR don’t want to believe it. Head in the sand

[jjgold]

people crying fix so immature and losers

Frustrated Bettors

Harden hit tough shots at end

[Booya711]

if you can bet it, it can be fixed a certain way. It has been and always will be

[Demonata]

People saying it's fixed are 100% wrong. Here's an example lebron brings the best tv ratings in the playoffs. Doesn't even make the playoffs. Also the finaly has been ending in like 4 or 5 games almost every year by him getting swept or just winning 1 game. Neither outcome helps the NBA make money. Curry missing the dunk last night in an overtime down by 5 with under 30 seconds left was not scripted. Every player would have had to be payed off and all the crazy shots that went in. I doubt the nba players can choose when they can make any shot they want at any time.