[Hman]

5Dimes

Horses Kentucky Derby 2019 all horses have action regardless if horse runs
Game Winner	+275
Improbable	+500
Instagrand	+525
Gunmetal Gray	+850
War of Will	+900
Roadster	+1000
Spinoff	+1000
Gun It	+1000
Hog Creek Hustle	+1200
Much Better	+1200
Plus Que Parfait	+1200
Hidden Scroll	+1200
Bourbon War	+1200
Bulletin	+1500
Code of Honor	+1500
Lutsky	+1500
Mucho Gusto	+1500
My Sixth Sense	+1500
Galilean	+1850
Coliseum	+2000
Harvey Wallbanger	+2000
Maximus Mischief	+2000
Shared Legacy	+2000
Sparky Ville	+2000
Tacitus	+2000
Maximum Security	+2000
Everfast	+2500
Seismic Jolt	+2500
Well Defined	+2500
Anotherwistoffate	+2500
Win Win Win	+2500
Dream Maker	+3000
Dunph	+3000
Magic On Tap	+3000
Tale of the Union	+3000
Dessman	+3000
Country House	+3000
Omaha Beach	+3000
Borracho	+3500
Mason Dixon	+3500
Mucho	+3500
Signalman	+3500
Vekoma	+3500
Global Campaign	+3500
Nolo Contesto	+3500
Complexity	+4000
Current	+4000
Frosted Ice	+4000
Honcho	+4000
Limonite	+4000
Mind Control	+4000
Poppy's Destiny	+4000
Royal Marine	+4000
Uncle Benny	+4000
Big Scott Daddy	+4000
Sueno	+4000
Super Steed	+4000
Aurelius Maximus	+5000
Cruel Intention	+5000
Extra Hope	+5000
Tobacco Road	+5000
Lucky Lee	+5000
Cutting Humor	+5000
Gray Attempt	+5000
Tax	+5000
Cairo Cat	+6000
Chase Greatness	+6000
Chasing Yesterday	+6000
Dashing Dan	+6000
Knicks Go	+6000
Lebron J	+6000
Outshine	+6000
Preamble	+6000
Standard Deviation	+6000
U S Navy Cross	+6000
Kingly	+6000
Mihos	+6000
Not That Brady	+6000
Kentucky Wildcat	+6500
King For A Day	+7000
So Alive	+7000
Call Paul	+7500
Classy John	+7500
Fortin Hill	+7500
Lexitonian	+7500
Lucks Royal Flush	+7500
Manny Wah	+7500
Mr Money	+7500
Network Effect	+7500
Nitrous	+7500
Quick Entry	+7500
Rowayton	+7500
Trophy Chaser	+7500
Frolic More	+7500
Long Range Toddy	+7500
Moretti	+7500
Epic Dreamer	+8000
Wakefield	+8000
Tikhvin Flew	+8000
Federal Case	+8000
Bano Solo	+9000
Somelikeithotbrown	+9000
Gum Tree Lane	+9000
Absolutely Aiden	+10000
Ahead of Plan	+10000
Alwaysmining	+10000
Bankit	+10000
Cajun Firecracker	+10000
Dueling	+10000
E Rated	+10000
Empire of War	+10000
Forty Under	+10000
Garter And Tie	+10000
Henley's Joy	+10000
King of Speed	+10000
Magic Tale	+10000
Myhotrodlincoln	+10000
Nacho Papa	+10000
Oliver	+10000
Our Braintrust	+10000
Overanalyzer	+10000
Pole Setter	+10000
Royal Urn	+10000
Seanow	+10000
Smithwicks Spice	+10000
Solidify	+10000
Sombeyay	+10000
Strike Silver	+10000
Strong Will	+10000
The Black Album	+10000
Tiergan	+10000
Toothless Wonderr	+10000
Whiskey Echo	+10000
Yes and Yes	+10000
Echoes of Laughter	+10000
Big Drink of Water	+10500
Endorsed	+10500
La Fuerza	+10500
Tight Ten	+10500
Five Star General	+10500
Listing	+12000
Policy	+12000
Avies Flatter	+12500
Dugout	+12500
Jefe	+12500
Japan	+15000
Mohawk	+15000
Opry	+15000
Wild Medagliadoro	+16000
My Bling	+17000
Cafe Du Monde	+17500
Fullness of Time	+17500
Fully Loaded	+17500
Mount Everest	+17500
Order and Law	+17500
Passcode	+17500
Sydney Opera House	+17500
Tales of Chaucer	+17500
Tap the Wire	+17500
Wallace	+17500
Zenden	+17500
Fluminense	+18000
Giant Hero	+18000
Scrap Copper	+18000
Smarty River Pants	+18500
Distant Shore	+19000
Sir Truebadour	+19000
A Thread of Blue	+20000
Armistice Day	+20000
Cape of Good Hope	+20000
Dame Plata	+20000
Delta Express	+20000
Factor It In	+20000
Fat Clemenza	+20000
Just Right	+20000
Justice of War	+20000
Metropol	+20000
Moonster	+20000
Mr Ankeny	+20000
Power of Now	+20000
Puttheglassdown	+20000
Splicethemainbrace	+20000
Stupify	+20000
Ten Bands	+20000
Casa Creed	+21000
Mister Banjoman	+21000
Rijeka	+21000
Achilles Warrior	+21500
Come Sundown	+21500
Dakotas Dude	+21500
Dazzling Truths	+21500
Tybalt	+21500
Istanbul	+22000
Pipes	+22000
Regally Irish	+22000
Stubbins	+22000
All American Hero	+22500
B. B. Dude	+22500
Distorted Jimmy	+22500
Louder Than Bombs	+22500
Moon Colony	+22500
Mr Paytience	+22500
Seven Scents	+22500
Sigalert	+22500
Sovereign	+22500
Spin Lightning	+22500
Topper T	+22500
True Gold	+22500
Victory Command	+22500
Forloveofcountry	+23000
Well Graced	+23000
Blessed Two	+24000
English Bee	+24000
Fast Breakin Cash	+24000
Ice City Ghost	+24000
Lion Dance	+24000
Meade	+24000
Nashtrick	+24000
Ninth Street	+24000
Proud Nation	+24000
Beyond The Victory	+25000
Cowboy Mischief	+25000
Dob Dob	+25000
Explorationist	+25000
Greyes Creek	+25000
Leadville	+25000
Mick's Star	+25000
My Mandate	+25000
Pico Entry	+25000
Ready and Rich	+25000
Ready to Forgive	+25000
Spirit Animal	+25000
Swamp Rat	+25000
Tangled Union	+25000
Unionizer	+25000
Substitution	+25500
Bold Proposition	+26000
Elgin Escape	+26000
Pepe Longstocking	+26000
Successful Zip	+26000
The Gray Dehere	+26500
Albie	+27500
Assemblyman	+27500
Caladan	+27500
Carnivorous	+27500
Egyptian Storm	+27500
Fig	+27500
Flying Scotsman	+27500
Go Away	+27500
Marquee Prince	+27500
Mooji Moo Jr	+27500
Mr Chocolate Chip	+27500
Muskoka Wonder	+27500
Palladium	+27500
Parsimony	+27500
Pocket Dynamo	+27500
Riken	+27500
Stage Left	+27500
Synthesis	+27500
Time 'n Time Again	+27500
Tribal War Chant	+27500
Vangilder	+27500
Jais's Solitude	+28000
Jungle Warrior	+28000
Blockbuster	+29000
Dabo	+29000
Jump For Alex	+29000
Mozo Bello	+29000
Owning	+29000
Silken Prince	+29000
Absentee	+30000
Arcadia Calls	+30000
Bourbon Stritta	+30000
Carotari	+30000
Carter Cat	+30000
Get Hammered	+30000
Homefield	+30000
Hushion	+30000
Hustle Up	+30000
Jammin Still	+30000
Mine Inspector	+30000
More Than A. P.	+30000
Most Mischief	+30000
Occam's Razor	+30000
Rapport	+30000
Real Money	+30000
Red Zinger	+30000
Running for Riz	+30000
Shazier	+30000
Strictly Biz	+30000
Thatwouldbegrand	+30000
The White Shadow	+30000
Tracksmith	+30000
What the Luck	+30000
Explode	+31000
Reservenotattained	+31500
Baja Sur	+32000
I'm A G Six	+32000
Invigorous	+32000
Sapphire Shilling	+32000
Best You Ever Seen	+32500
Cabos Rumor	+32500
Coral Legacy	+32500
Inclusive	+32500
Mr Wrench It	+32500
Saints Marching In	+32500
Salvator Mundi	+32500
Sir Winston	+32500
Sniper Shot	+32500
Pickett	+33000
Iowa Sky	+34000
Bernin' Thru Gold	+35000
Captain Handsome	+35000
Crosstown Shootout	+35000
Prince Pierce	+35000
Lady's Weekend	+37500

[Hman]

Saturday May 4th

Anyone have early tips or favs?

[littlekona]

Wow....those are the worst odds I have ever seen...no one In right mind could bet those lines....other books you can get +700 on the favorite here...pathetic...my tip find a better place to wager if you like any of these

[trytrytry]

wow horrible offers there avoid

[eaglesfan371]

That has to be the worst odds I've ever seen. Only like 10-15 of those horses will even run yet 100 horses all like 35 to 1 or less.

[thechaoz]

Ya I'm good on all that

[pilebuck13]

Lol guess stupid

[Hman]

Wow....those are the worst odds I have ever seen...no one In right mind could bet those lines....other books you can get +700 on the favorite here...pathetic...my tip find a better place to wager if you like any of these

Please post any books with much greater odds.

These came from 5dimes and usually nearly the best odds.

Maybe because it's still early and the odds increase once the field is narrowed??

Ot sure as I'm not a horse expert.

[littlekona]

Please post any books with much greater odds.

These came from 5dimes and usually nearly the best odds.

Maybe because it's still early and the odds increase once the field is narrowed??

Ot sure as I'm not a horse expert.

I'll make it easy just look at BOL's they too bad but just to show the difference...The USA mutual pool's too Fav better then 6-1...Exchanges Vegas Others ect all have better..,

111	Game Winner		+600
113	Improbable		+600
104	Code of Honor		+1400
122	Hidden Scroll		+1400
124	War Of Will		+1400
127	Haikal		+2000
114	Instagrand		+2000
116	Mucho Gusto		+2000
125	Bourbon War		+2500
106	Complexity		+2500
108	Endorsed		+2500
112	Gunmetal Gray		+2500
117	Roadster		+2500
119	US Navy Cross		+2500
109	Fortin Hill		+3300
110	Frosted Ice		+3300
126	Galilean		+3300
123	Harvey Wallbanger		+3300
115	Knicks Go		+3300
128	Mind Control		+3300
120	Vekoma		+3300
102	Call Paul		+5000
107	Dream Maker		+5000
121	Signalman		+5000

[Hman]

I'll make it easy just look at BOL's they too bad but just to show the difference...The USA mutual pool's too Fav better then 6-1...Exchanges Vegas Others ect all have better..,

111	Game Winner		+600
113	Improbable		+600
104	Code of Honor		+1400
122	Hidden Scroll		+1400
124	War Of Will		+1400
127	Haikal		+2000
114	Instagrand		+2000
116	Mucho Gusto		+2000
125	Bourbon War		+2500
106	Complexity		+2500
108	Endorsed		+2500
112	Gunmetal Gray		+2500
117	Roadster		+2500
119	US Navy Cross		+2500
109	Fortin Hill		+3300
110	Frosted Ice		+3300
126	Galilean		+3300
123	Harvey Wallbanger		+3300
115	Knicks Go		+3300
128	Mind Control		+3300
120	Vekoma		+3300
102	Call Paul		+5000
107	Dream Maker		+5000
121	Signalman		+5000

Why are there so many more horses on one vs the other?

Are the books with lesser choices listing the horses that are expected to run?

[littlekona]

Why are there so many more horses on one vs the other?

Are the books with lesser choices listing the horses that are expected to run?

Yes and some will have a "any other option" This is the official USA pool 3 that just closed
Program Horse Name ODDS Gross Win Pool Final $ Pays $2 Payoff
1 Anothertwistafate 38 5,908.45 38.40 $ 78.80
2 Bourbon War 12 16,702.73 12.90 $ 27.80
3 Code of Honor 14 14,645.98 14.80 $ 31.60
4 Country House 29 7,631.50 29.50 $ 61.00
5 Dream Maker 56 4,069.75 56.20 $ 114.40
6 Galilean 22 9,803.73 22.70 $ 47.40
7 Game Winner 6 32,644.88 6.10 $ 14.20
8 Gunmetal Gray 43 5,225.48 43.50 $ 89.00
9 Harvey Wallbanger 33 6,693.73 33.70 $ 69.40
10 Hidden Scroll 11 18,291.53 11.70 $ 25.40
11 Improbable 6 33,220.38 6.00 $ 14.00
12 Instagrand 17 12,764.50 17.20 $ 36.40
13 Intrepid Heart 63 3,582.75 63.90 $ 129.80
14 Mind Control 55 4,096.50 55.80 $ 113.60
15 Mucho Gusto 27 8,254.75 27.20 $ 56.40
16 Roadster 16 13,001.25 16.90 $ 35.80
17 Signalman 38 5,842.00 38.80 $ 79.60
18 Spinoff 36 6,255.20 36.20 $ 74.40
19 Tax 59 3,858.95 59.30 $ 120.60
20 Vekoma 37 6,083.50 37.20 $ 76.40
21 War of Will 12 17,195.18 12.50 $ 27.00
22 Well Defined 99 1,069.00 216.70 $ 435.40
23 Win Win Win 34 6,520.75 34.70 $ 71.40
24 Mutuel Field (All Others) 9/2 38,836.44 4.90 $ 11.80

[JBEX]

Yes and some will have a "any other option" This is the official USA pool 3 that just closed
Program Horse Name ODDS Gross Win Pool Final $ Pays $2 Payoff
1 Anothertwistafate 38 5,908.45 38.40 $ 78.80
2 Bourbon War 12 16,702.73 12.90 $ 27.80
3 Code of Honor 14 14,645.98 14.80 $ 31.60
4 Country House 29 7,631.50 29.50 $ 61.00
5 Dream Maker 56 4,069.75 56.20 $ 114.40
6 Galilean 22 9,803.73 22.70 $ 47.40
7 Game Winner 6 32,644.88 6.10 $ 14.20
8 Gunmetal Gray 43 5,225.48 43.50 $ 89.00
9 Harvey Wallbanger 33 6,693.73 33.70 $ 69.40
10 Hidden Scroll 11 18,291.53 11.70 $ 25.40
11 Improbable 6 33,220.38 6.00 $ 14.00
12 Instagrand 17 12,764.50 17.20 $ 36.40
13 Intrepid Heart 63 3,582.75 63.90 $ 129.80
14 Mind Control 55 4,096.50 55.80 $ 113.60
15 Mucho Gusto 27 8,254.75 27.20 $ 56.40
16 Roadster 16 13,001.25 16.90 $ 35.80
17 Signalman 38 5,842.00 38.80 $ 79.60
18 Spinoff 36 6,255.20 36.20 $ 74.40
19 Tax 59 3,858.95 59.30 $ 120.60
20 Vekoma 37 6,083.50 37.20 $ 76.40
21 War of Will 12 17,195.18 12.50 $ 27.00
22 Well Defined 99 1,069.00 216.70 $ 435.40
23 Win Win Win 34 6,520.75 34.70 $ 71.40
24 Mutuel Field (All Others) 9/2 38,836.44 4.90 $ 11.80

i'm not going against my other pick game winner but that's a ridiculous overlay on this horse.. he's a claiborne farm homebred who they foolishly let get away for a 50k tag in his 2nd start at keeneland..thus is after his first start for clm $30k he missed by a half length battling on the front end all the way around @ "6f.. his last two brisnet figures(103,102) are the equal of game winner's 103..only thing is the 103 in the remsen as a 2yo was off a ridiculously slow pace whereas the withers (102) was actually a 2-3 lengths faster than avg pace.. he's by the claiborne stallion arch
out of a giant's causeway mare which is extremely stout breeding


remember though game winner hit that number as a 2yo in November at churchill downs up close to a scorching fast pace..so that's a different animal altogether.. but stacked up against the others I think 59-1 big overlay.. also remember he's got two 1 1/8 mile races under him and those are the races he ran the big figures in.. haven't heard where he'll be going next but more than likely the wood memorial since he's based in ny and is where he ran his last two races

[Hman]

Yes and some will have a "any other option" This is the official USA pool 3 that just closed
Program Horse Name ODDS Gross Win Pool Final $ Pays $2 Payoff
1 Anothertwistafate 38 5,908.45 38.40 $ 78.80
2 Bourbon War 12 16,702.73 12.90 $ 27.80
3 Code of Honor 14 14,645.98 14.80 $ 31.60
4 Country House 29 7,631.50 29.50 $ 61.00
5 Dream Maker 56 4,069.75 56.20 $ 114.40
6 Galilean 22 9,803.73 22.70 $ 47.40
7 Game Winner 6 32,644.88 6.10 $ 14.20
8 Gunmetal Gray 43 5,225.48 43.50 $ 89.00
9 Harvey Wallbanger 33 6,693.73 33.70 $ 69.40
10 Hidden Scroll 11 18,291.53 11.70 $ 25.40
11 Improbable 6 33,220.38 6.00 $ 14.00
12 Instagrand 17 12,764.50 17.20 $ 36.40
13 Intrepid Heart 63 3,582.75 63.90 $ 129.80
14 Mind Control 55 4,096.50 55.80 $ 113.60
15 Mucho Gusto 27 8,254.75 27.20 $ 56.40
16 Roadster 16 13,001.25 16.90 $ 35.80
17 Signalman 38 5,842.00 38.80 $ 79.60
18 Spinoff 36 6,255.20 36.20 $ 74.40
19 Tax 59 3,858.95 59.30 $ 120.60
20 Vekoma 37 6,083.50 37.20 $ 76.40
21 War of Will 12 17,195.18 12.50 $ 27.00
22 Well Defined 99 1,069.00 216.70 $ 435.40
23 Win Win Win 34 6,520.75 34.70 $ 71.40
24 Mutuel Field (All Others) 9/2 38,836.44 4.90 $ 11.80

So in all fairness to 5dimes, they're offering huge payoffs on horses that other books aren't even putting up???

And if any of them happen to run, some bettors will have these huge odds locked in before they are offered again or elsewhere???

[littlekona]

So in all fairness to 5dimes, they're offering huge payoffs on horses that other books aren't even putting up???

And if any of them happen to run, some bettors will have these huge odds locked in before they are offered again or elsewhere???

Fairness....lol game winner @ +275....5dimes is fine book but on this market it’s awful....as far as huge odds most on the list are not on derby trail and ones that are you can find better price elsewhere

[eaglesfan371]

So in all fairness to 5dimes, they're offering huge payoffs on horses that other books aren't even putting up???

And if any of them happen to run, some bettors will have these huge odds locked in before they are offered again or elsewhere???

Enter all those horses and odds into a futures house edge calculator (can find on google), guarantee 5dimes handle on those odds is at least 30% house edge if not 50%.

Put it this way, I will personally offer better odds on any horse listed on there. Feel free to message me with interest if betting points.

[Hman]

Fairness....lol game winner @ +275....5dimes is fine book but on this market it’s awful....as far as huge odds most on the list are not on derby trail and ones that are you can find better price elsewhere

Ah ok

Not a huge horses bettor so trying to understand

[littlekona]

Ah ok

Not a huge horses bettor so trying to understand

I’m not a fan of these futures unless you get a premium on a unexposed horse that is on derby trail..”if” Game Winner wins both preps and makes derby healthy he most likely would be 4/1 or higher on derby day plus If he late scratched it’s a refund..,,very high risk bet even on longer shots

[JBEX]

I’m not a fan of these futures unless you get a premium on a unexposed horse that is on derby trail..”if” Game Winner wins both preps and makes derby healthy he most likely would be 4/1 or higher on derby day plus If he late scratched it’s a refund..,,very high risk bet even on longer shots

I think the mean odds about 5-2 if he wins his 2 preps depending on the obvious things.. how impressive his wins are and how the other preps went

[KiDBaZkiT]

I do not appreciate the hoity toity atmosphere of the derby. Reminds me of that line in Sopranos about walking around with ones nose in the air like everybody else s#!+ their pants.

[SlickFazzer]

https://www.horseracingnation.com/bl...stionable_123#

[Easy-Rider 66]

Yeah those 5D lines are suspect for most part. Agree with Kona here.