1. 01-23-19 09:49 AM #1
    Crayzee
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    How is rivera the first unanimous choice for hof?

    no other greats were ever unanimous?
    Ruth
    Gherig
    Gibson
    Koufax
    DiMaggio
    Mays
    Aaron

    what am I missing here ?
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  2. 01-23-19 09:58 AM #2
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    weird its like does that mean hes the greatest player in baseball he never won a cy young couldnt hack it as a starter how was he the first unanimous blows my mind
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  3. 01-23-19 10:04 AM #3
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crayzee View Post
    no other greats were ever unanimous?
    Ruth
    Gherig
    Gibson
    Koufax
    DiMaggio
    Mays
    Aaron

    what am I missing here ?
    Some voters have a personal ax to grind, weird grudges, or whatever. And some just like to be contrarian.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ratpack View Post
    weird its like does that mean hes the greatest player in baseball he never won a cy young couldnt hack it as a starter how was he the first unanimous blows my mind




    While I'm surprised he is the first unanimous, I very much agree that he should have been unanimous. Greatest closer of all time, stop being silly with "couldn't hack it as starter" bs.
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  4. 01-23-19 10:07 AM #4
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    Means nothing , just seems nobody had any grudge against him during his playing career .
    Now that I think about it , don't remember him ever having any off the field issues or his mouth , could be wrong .
    Many others made enemies through the media , words , etc
    All means shit , Pete Rose isn't in yet one of the best ever .
    Fukk the Baseball HoF .
    They just voted in Harold Fukkin Bains , he was dogshit man , pure dogshit .
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  5. 01-23-19 11:11 AM #5
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    I think for 70 years Cobb was the high water mark at like 97%

    Guy literally retired with EVERY MLB record except for HRs

    Seaver and Ryan got 98%

    Now how Rivera gets 100...easy, expanded Hispanic voting and the fear of voting no = racism

    HOF became political and a joke the minute they gave Lebatard a vote

    I think the only legit votes are coming from the veterens committee lately. As I dont see E Martinez or R Halladay at HOF worthy and doubt the VC would have put them in
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  6. 01-23-19 11:13 AM #6
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    I thought Jeter would be the first unanimous... pretty surprised Rivera got it first.
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  7. 01-23-19 11:19 AM #7
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    most dominant finisher of all times thats how
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  8. 01-23-19 11:23 AM #8
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    they say the DH is a "specialty" position but it took Edgar Martinez forever to get in but, a closer who pitches maybe 3 outs a game gets in unanimously on his first chance???? seems logical

    Martinez also was 11-19 against this 3 out closer
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  9. 01-23-19 11:29 AM #9
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    Quote Originally Posted by Booya711 View Post
    they say the DH is a "specialty" position but it took Edgar Martinez forever to get in but, a closer who pitches maybe 3 outs a game gets in unanimously on his first chance???? seems logical

    Martinez also was 11-19 against this 3 out closer
    Yup

    Frankly I think it's becoming a circus

    DH isn't even a position and it's a made up place in the rules. How can baseball admit a player who can't even field a ball lol

    In other words, Martinez's MLB career if ore 1975 or if in NL wouldn't even exist. Not fair to others like Tony Oliva who would be lock for HOF had ge been able to be a DH for 20 years

    As for career closer, gtfoh....1st ballot 100% just a shame. There are others from lessor teams just as good who'll get 0 consideration because they're not Yankees

    Sad
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  10. 01-23-19 11:34 AM #10
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    HoF selection process is a joke.
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  11. 01-23-19 11:43 AM #11
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    I was wondering the same thing. An absolutely dominant closer, but first unanimous of all-time?
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  12. 01-23-19 11:45 AM #12
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ratpack View Post
    weird its like does that mean hes the greatest player in baseball he never won a cy young couldnt hack it as a starter how was he the first unanimous blows my mind
    Guy had one pitch, everyone knew it was coming, and they still could almost never hit it... thats how.
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  13. 01-23-19 12:35 PM #13
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    96 postseason appearances, 11 earned runs. (more men have walked on the moon than runs have been scored against him in postseason, said one article)

    0.70 postseason ERA

    Helped win 5 World Series

    Was World Series MVP

    All-Star Game MVP

    ALCS MVP

    13-time All-Star

    2.21 career ERA

    Most career saves

    Sustained greatness - 19 seasons


    (now cue the "better in my day, get off my lawn" folks)
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  14. 01-23-19 12:39 PM #14
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    so wait your saying he was the greatest baseball player of all time? or even the greatest pitcher of all time
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  15. 01-23-19 12:40 PM #15
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    The most dominant in his role of all time
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  16. 01-23-19 12:42 PM #16
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    so does that make for him to be the first unanimous though?
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  17. 01-23-19 12:44 PM #17
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    Its embarassing that Bonds isnt in HOF yet his eye/hand coordination was amazing
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  18. 01-23-19 12:44 PM #18
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    All the steroid guys are struggling
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  19. 01-23-19 12:53 PM #19
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fade2Win View Post
    Its embarassing that Bonds isnt in HOF yet his eye/hand coordination was amazing
    Grudges (he was a meanie!) plus voters suspicious of the hat size jumping up about 15 sizes
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  20. 01-23-19 01:57 PM #20
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    most dominant finisher of all times thats how
    He couldn’t get Bill Meuller out.
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  21. 01-23-19 02:22 PM #21
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    or jimmy leyritz
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  22. 01-23-19 03:00 PM #22
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ratpack View Post
    so wait your saying he was the greatest baseball player of all time? or even the greatest pitcher of all time
    greatest pitcher, yes...
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  23. 01-23-19 03:04 PM #23
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    Judging by this thread I have to assume that some guys never saw Rivera pitch.
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  24. 01-23-19 07:08 PM #24
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    greatest at his role

    that being said, the 100 percent vote is political. this year just too much public backlash risk not voting for him.

    problem is they limit the ballots to 10 players so some take off shoe ins to do long shots
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  25. 01-23-19 09:45 PM #25
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    voters now held accountable
    afraid of social media blowback
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  26. 01-23-19 10:38 PM #26
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    So a guy who pitches 50 innings a year gets in with 100% acceptance and the all time hit king retired over 30 years isn't in.

    100% chance I'll avoid Cooperstown until they make things right.
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  27. 01-23-19 11:05 PM #27
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    Hof is a joke someone explain how Albert belle isn’t a hall of famer still
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  28. 01-24-19 12:44 AM #28
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    Quote Originally Posted by thetrinity View Post
    So a guy who pitches 50 innings a year gets in with 100% acceptance and the all time hit king retired over 30 years isn't in.

    100% chance I'll avoid Cooperstown until they make things right.
    the hardest outs to get in baseball have always been the last three and this guy made it look routine on the highest stage.... Mo is the opposite of that overpaid fraud Clayton Kershaw.......
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  29. 01-24-19 02:35 AM #29
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    An absolute joke; he has plenty of postseason success because he played for the Yanks. He also cost them a title in 2001 and probably in 2004.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkHorseplayer View Post
    An absolute joke; he has plenty of postseason success because he played for the Yanks. He also cost them a title in 2001 and probably in 2004.
    wasn't a factor in 04' and although he did blow a save in 01' I'm guessing you missed the other 5 he won?
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    He blew the save in Games 4 and 5 against Boston in the ALCS and he didn't win any games, he simply held a lead the Yankees already had.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkHorseplayer View Post
    He blew the save in Games 4 and 5 against Boston in the ALCS and he didn't win any games, he simply held a lead the Yankees already had.
    were you expecting a closer to go out there and start miraculously driving in runs or something at bat?

    You're pulling hairs....
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    The point is that relievers don't make teams great, teams make relievers great. Trevor Hoffman was at least as good as Rivera but he won't get near the attention because he played in SD instead of NY.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkHorseplayer View Post
    The point is that relievers don't make teams great, teams make relievers great. Trevor Hoffman was at least as good as Rivera but he won't get near the attention because he played in SD instead of NY.
    ok then......
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  35. 01-24-19 11:13 AM #35
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    Votes were afraid to be called Racist if they didn't vote him in.
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